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Herman Cain Leads In One New Poll, Trails In Another [UPDATED]

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First Posted: 10/12/11 06:59 PM ET Updated: 12/12/11 05:12 AM ET

[UPDATE - 10:57 p.m. Wednesday]:

MSNBC reports that GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain leads the Republican field in the newest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll. More details below:

Cain checks in as the first choice of 27 percent of Republican voters in the poll, followed by former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney at 23 percent and Perry at 16 percent. After those three, it’s Texas Rep. Ron Paul at 11 percent, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich at 8 percent, Bachmann at 5 percent and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman at 3 percent.

In the previous survey, conducted in late August, Perry led the field at 38 percent, Romney stood at 23 percent, while Cain was at only 5 percent.

[ORIGINAL STORY]:

Herman Cain leads the national Republican field of candidates for president, according to a new poll released Wednesday. But another poll released the same day and conducted over almost exactly the same field dates shows Cain still trailing Mitt Romney.

The poll that found Cain in the lead was conducted by Public Policy Polling, a Democratic firm that uses an automated phone call methodology, Oct. 7-10. It found Cain leading Mitt Romney by eight percentage points, 30 percent to 22 percent. Newt Gingrich followed with 15 percent and Rick Perry with 14 percent.

Casting doubt on the PPP results, though, was an Ipsos/Reuters poll released later in the day and conducted over similar field dates, which showed Romney still in the lead by four percentage points, with 23 percent to Cain's 19 percent. In that poll, Ron Paul followed with 13 percent and Rick Perry with 10 percent. That poll was conducted using live interviews, a more traditional survey methodology, Oct. 6-10.

Although the PPP poll is good news for Cain, most other national polls fielded since the beginning of October have shown Cain trailing Romney. The exceptions are the Zogby internet poll, which has consistently produced results far more favorable to Cain than any other national poll, and the Economist/YouGov poll, which also uses an internet panel. PPP's polls have also consistently shown Cain performing better than other national surveys have since he joined the race. The image below, created by political scientist and Pollster co-creator Charles Franklin, compares Cain's performance on PPP surveys to HuffPost Pollster's national trend estimate, which continues to show Cain lagging behind Romney by a 21 percent to 17 percent margin.

Two factors may help explain Cain's elevated performance in the PPP poll. First, a lower response rate associated with the automated methodology may result in a skew toward more politically engaged Republicans (who tend to be more supportive of Cain overall). Second, PPP’s implicit screen for likely voters may have a similar effect, defining the likely Republican electorate more narrowly than the other surveys.

A recent Pew survey found that Cain performed 11 percentage points better among Republicans who said they had given the race a lot of thought than among those who said they had only given it a little bit of thought, while an ABC News/Washington Post survey found Cain trailing Romney, but winning 36 percent to 24 percent among those who said they were following the race very closely.

The table below, showing Cain's performance relative to Romney on national GOP primary surveys, demonstrates that Cain performed most strongly in polls that sample likely voters and use non-traditional survey methodologies (IVR or internet panels) that could be more likely to reach the most politically engaged individuals.

Unfortunately, the high overlap between polls of likely voters and those using the non-traditional IVR or internet panel technologies means that it's difficult to tease out which might be the biggest culprit in the gap between the two groups of polls. However, a survey of Iowa released Tuesday by NBC News and Marist College and that both used live interviews and interviewed likely Republican caucus-goers failed to show the lead for Cain that PPP showed when they polled that state, suggesting that the automated methodology may have a greater effect than the likely voter screen.

Regardless of whether Cain's performance in the latest poll is a result of PPP's automated methodology, their likely voter model, or both, PPP is likely to be picking up a wave of positive sentiment for Cain among the most informed and engaged voters -- the ones who are most likely to vote (and to pass a likely voter screen this early in the election cycle) and the ones who are least likely to hang up on a voice recording asking political questions.

Along with Cain's strong performance in certain polls, other indications suggest that highly engaged Republicans are excited about him. Cain far outstrips any other Republican candidate in Gallup's "Positive Intensity Score," which purports to measure enthusiasm for each of the candidates by subtracting the percentage of Republicans who recognize the candidate who have a strongly unfavorable impression of the candidate from the percentage who say they have a strongly favorable opinion. In addition, the latest HuffPost/Patch Power Outsiders survey found that individuals identified as influential Republicans in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina are impressed by Cain, though perhaps wary of his inexperience.

That enthusiasm, whether or not it has propelled Cain into a national primary lead, has clearly impressed many Republicans, as Cain has made big gains even in polls where he does not lead. Although his support could quickly collapse, as Rick Perry's did, he is currently a force to be reckoned with in the GOP primary race.

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[UPDATE - 10:57 p.m. Wednesday]: MSNBC reports that GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain leads the Republican field in the newest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll. More details below: Cain ch...
[UPDATE - 10:57 p.m. Wednesday]: MSNBC reports that GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain leads the Republican field in the newest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll. More details below: Cain ch...
 
 
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Mary Nissenson
04:23 PM on 10/17/2011
It may not be the polls, but, rather, their interpretation that is so flawed.

I'm not sure they're measuring Cain's popularity. And they're certainly not measuring how closely those who say they favor Cain have scrutinized either the man, or his policies.

What they do tell us is something we already know, with certainty: Republicans are dissatisfied with all their choices. They are slowest to warm to those they've known longest (Romney) and quick to fall out of love with new choices, once they become more familiar with them.

The contrast between Cain's purported "popularity" and his success (or, more aptly, lack thereof) when it comes to significant fundraising is telling. They can say they love him -- but they're yet to put their money where their mouths are.

Perhaps, the only thing they prove conclusively is the fallibility of one of the world's oldest adages.

Not all fools are so quickly parted from their money.
12:18 PM on 10/14/2011
You could write a book just on how poor the coverage has been of the alleged housing bubble. The media have been foretellin­g a massive bust in housing prices for months now... That kind of ignorance makes homeowners fear that their most expensive possession could turn worthless overnight.­.. That won't happen.
- Herman Cain, Wednesday, August 17, 2005

Despite the long-term damage to the economy inflicted by the government­'s interferen­ce in the housing market, the government­'s policy of diverting capital to other uses creates a short-term boom in housing. Like all artificial­ly-created bubbles, the boom in housing prices fall, homeowners will experience difficulty as their equity is wiped out. Furthermor­e, the holders of the mortgage debt will also have a loss. These losses will be greater than they would have otherwise been had government policy not actively encouraged over-inves­tment in housing.
-Ron Paul, September 10, 2033
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NHGranite
Killer Koala escapes diner, eats shoots & leaves
03:33 PM on 10/14/2011
Both of these gentlemen are wrong. There had been a major housing bubble burst in the early 1990s, so it wasn't that long ago the same thing happened after regulations were loosened, so on that count, Mr Cain was wrong.

Follow the money, Mr Paul - the holders of mortgage debt typically have forced home owners with little down payment to carry Private Mortgage Insurance (PMI) so they get paid off if the investment tanks. Again, this bubble burst after even more regulations were discharged.

Government is good for some things like writing regulations like Glass Steagall.
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FreewheelinFranklin
Keep on Truckin'
06:39 AM on 10/14/2011
Now I get it. The Republican strategy is to get Democrats laughing so hard they forget to vote.
Bloody Brilliant!
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muzzled
Socialism and America are not mutually inclusive
04:42 AM on 10/14/2011
Herman Cain 2012, America's 1st Black president
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accautotrainer
"Basing opinion on facts!"
02:32 AM on 10/14/2011
How Herman Cain's 9-9-9 Policy will effect America:

(1) It will immediately bring about the largest tax increase on those at the bottom of pay scales.
(2) It will immeditely provide corporations, initially with the largest tax break on record.
(3) It will immediately tax those in states not having a State Sales Tax to 9%.
(4) It will in the long and short term affect new construction on housing as people will buy used.
(5) It will place a 9% tax on new cars, shifting consumers to purchase used cars destroying the Big Three.


This is just for starters!
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11:54 AM on 10/14/2011
So, what, may I ask, is all that bad about giving those at the bottom of the pay scales the privilege of actually supporting their country monetarily?
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accautotrainer
"Basing opinion on facts!"
02:18 AM on 10/14/2011
It is ironic that the current GOTP supporters are still grasping to find the immaculate one; the one that can actually ensure the President does not gain a second term. Forget about the fact that Cain's supposedly simple 9-9-9 plan is as about as complicated as one can get. Even he, when asked a question regarding the following had no answer. Here is the question posed to Cain by an attendee at one of his support rallies; "So, if I buy an Apple Computerl, built here in this Country, but the parts for the computer come from Malaysia, does that mean the item is still taxed?" Cain's response? "I really do not know." If Cain himself was the architect of the plan, one would "think" that he would know the answer to this question since he has been touting how simple the plan is. Yet, he doesn't. He articulates the plan was created by an economist working on the matter through research. Really? Anyone care to know what kind of credentials this supposed "economist" has? I do! He works for the Wells-Fargo Bank, and he does not even have a college degree. So, Mr. Cain: Let's get this straight. You actually had an employee of Wells-Fargo pose as an economist in order to provide legitimacy to your plan which you know nothing about? Keep it up, please Mr. Cain!
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bccpn
Links are not posted to be ignored
07:45 AM on 10/14/2011
I see the man has you scared. I also see allot of lies. Keep up the spin your going to need all you have.
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Nick Rowley
http://makingyourprojectsoundsplendid.com/
12:07 PM on 10/15/2011
It's a fallacy to think that all mockery/condemnation is predicated on fear. A comforting fallacy evidently.
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accautotrainer
"Basing opinion on facts!"
05:02 AM on 10/16/2011
Me scared of Cain? Not at all! If he became President (which he won't) the only thing that could scare people such as myself, is his implementing his inane policies which were most likely "lifted," from Sim City via his bank teller at Wells Fargo. I just would have loved to hear that conversation: "Okay Mr. Cain, here is your receipt. Is there anything else I can do for you?" Cain says; "Yes, do you happen to know of a good economic plan that I can use for my election bid?"

Lies? Where are my lies? Everything I point out in my response has been questioned in the main-stream media. Try again! And remember 'If at first you do not succeed, try, try again!"

Finally: I would not be planning on receiving the Predictor badge anytime soon with your current prognostication skill set. Be well!
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lw1
Jobs! Jobs! Jobs!
12:32 AM on 10/14/2011
Cain is leading because they are chasing him with pitch forks and torches.
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rboylern
12:19 AM on 10/14/2011
Fear not, friends. The next time this band of brigands opens its collective mouth there will be yet another poll showing that things will have changed. Polls are not particularly helpful because they don't tell you anything you can really use, but rather reflect the fickleness of an uninformed electorate.
TomMartin
Freedom and equality.
12:13 AM on 10/14/2011
With Huntsman scoring so low so far, he might drop out by the time South Carolina votes, and I will be forced to vote for that flip-flopper Romney as the lesser evil. This party is so extreme. Thankfully in SC we don't register by party, we can vote in any primary we want.
12:19 PM on 10/14/2011
Why on earth will you vote for evil?
TomMartin
Freedom and equality.
10:03 PM on 10/15/2011
Because with the economy being the way it is, the likelihood is that the Republican nominee will be elected. So I am hoping it will be at least somebody somewhat pragmatic, rather than some extreme like Perry or Cain. So I will vote in the Republican primary, and then in the general election vote for Obama. Though I guess it will be only a symbolic vote, the SC electors will surely vote for the Republican nominee, SC is a very conservative state. Though I was surprised that North Carolina voted for Obama the last time, so I can't be sure.
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Arlin Carlson
wriote the blog Democratic finaical world and cont
11:56 PM on 10/13/2011
voters are willing to embrace unknown over the known not unlike that with Barak Obama 4 years ago. Little is known about Cain's positions .The Ron Paul campaign blogs you learn more about Herman Caint han Herman's own campaign allows. Few campaigns dirt on Cain than Paul's .Parlty they hate the Fed Reserve and partly because Cain as Kansas City Board chair was more forthcoming about the Bailout- almost everyone admits now it has gone wrong-benefiting the rrich at the expense of everyone else. The Oct 6 Wall Street Journal story small biz was deliberalty defrauded by communiy banks so that they could payback their own TARP Loansa free of regulations rather than using the money for purpose actually give out small biz loans . The question ought asked of Cain is :Why didn't you know this was coming? And inhis debate (Wash Post-Bloomberg) he sounded plaintive saying"We have to go back ands ee what we did right and worng. ). This is the plaint of a man who admits he didn't have a clue -but it an honest,painful assetment that the old ways don't work fundmentally shifted a new economic structure .
Cain' s solution is simple,bold and wrong. It is thei ndustrial structure-not the finanical structure that needs rebuiling. . His aswers are wrong-because he is addressing the wrong problems from .So it doesn't matter what the tax structre is-the underlying problems haven't been adressed.. Zero taxes still won't solve those problems.
10:25 PM on 10/13/2011
Hannity set to deliver knockout blow to Cain. This will result in Perry running against Romney and Obama in the general.
10:18 PM on 10/13/2011
McCain and Palin begat Joe the Plumber who was banished to the land of NOD. Joe the Plumber will return to take on Cain.
09:55 PM on 10/13/2011
Fox Breaking News: Herb Cain's secret macro economic advisor is a bank teller. In a related story, Herb Cain intends to appoint a Pizza Parlor Bouncer to Secretary of Defense. Qualifications aside, significant competition for Cabinet Positions from former food service employees will keep Government Payroll down. Once Herb Cain eliminates the minimum wage, there will be millions of them flocking to DC.
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aztrukin
I'm just here to make you mad.
10:44 PM on 10/13/2011
I would have rather seen pizzas being walked into Mexico. Pizza ovens would have been a much better investment than solar panels also.
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lw1
Jobs! Jobs! Jobs!
12:37 AM on 10/14/2011
Sorry, Cain is pie in the sky.
09:54 PM on 10/13/2011
Romney will ge the nod and Perry or Cain will be VP nominee.
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lw1
Jobs! Jobs! Jobs!
12:38 AM on 10/14/2011
No way either will be veep.
12:20 PM on 10/14/2011
No way Romney will be president either.
09:47 PM on 10/13/2011
Perry is just resting. He's also saving money. He is certainty be the nominee after he capitulates on his offer to federally fund illegal immigration. The fake christians will be upset, but it won't save Herb Cain.