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New Hampshire Debate: GOP Candidates' Claims Fact-Checked

CALVIN WOODWARD and CHRISTOPHER S. RUGABER   10/12/11 10:31 AM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — Is regulation strangling the American entrepreneur? Several Republican presidential candidates say so. The numbers don't.

The anti-regulatory fervor was in evidence Tuesday night in the latest GOP debate, but rhetorical flourishes, on that and other issues, masked far more complex realities.

A look at some of the claims and how they compare with the facts.

MITT ROMNEY: "All of the Obama regulations, we say no. It costs jobs."

RICK PERRY: Regulations "are strangling the American entrepreneurship out there."

RICK SANTORUM: "Repeal every regulation the Obama administration put in place."

THE FACTS: Labor Department data show that only a tiny percentage of companies that experience large layoffs cite government regulation as the reason. Since Barack Obama took office, just two-tenths of 1 percent of layoffs have been due to government regulation, the data show.

Businesses frequently complain about regulation, but there is little evidence that it is any worse now than in the past or that it is costing significant numbers of jobs. Most economists believe there is a simpler explanation: Companies aren't hiring because there isn't enough consumer demand.

The conservative National Federation of Independent Business asks its small-business membership each month to name the single most important problem they're facing. Last month, the most common response was "poor sales," cited by 28 percent. Government regulation came in second, at 18 percent.

Concerns over regulation have increased in the past two years – only 11 percent cited it in April 2009, not long after Obama entered the White House. But the rise hasn't been outside historical norms. More small businesses complained about regulation during the administrations of President Bill Clinton and the President George H.W. Bush, according to an analysis of the federation's data by the liberal Economic Policy Institute.

High levels of economic uncertainty are another drag on business, but economists say that's less due to regulation than to fights over government spending and taxes. Both consumer and business confidence fell in August, for example, as the White House and Congress wrangled over the nation's borrowing limit. But that was a bipartisan dispute that can't be solely pinned on Obama.

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REP. MICHELE BACHMANN: "We have a big problem today when it comes to Medicare, because we know that nine years from now, the Medicare hospital Part B Trust Fund is going to be dead flat broke." She also charged that "President Obama plans for Medicare to collapse, and instead everyone will be pushed into Obamacare."

THE FACTS: Bachmann is mixing up Medicare while exaggerating the danger of insolvency.

Part B is not for hospital payments, but for outpatient care, and it's technically impossible for that part of Medicare to go broke because it is financed by the federal government's general fund and by beneficiary premiums. Medicare's Part A is the hospital trust fund, and it is now projected to become insolvent in 2024, 13 years in the future. Even then it would be able to pay 90 percent of its obligations, a far cry from "dead flat broke."

When the fund has been threatened in the past, Congress has come through with changes that restrained program growth, largely by cutting provider payments.

There is no evidence to support her charge that Obama plans for Medicare to collapse; his health care law envisions nothing like that. In fact, a Republican budget that Bachmann voted for would make far larger changes to the program for the next generation, converting it to a voucher-like system.

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HERMAN CAIN: Repeatedly touted his 9-9-9 tax plan as a "bold" overhaul of the tax code that would get the economy back on track, and be embraced by the nation.

THE FACTS: Cain's plan is bold, and some economists think it includes features that would help the economy. But it is unlikely that the millions of low- and middle-income families who would face significant tax increases will embrace it. The wealthy, however, would probably love it because they would get big tax cuts.

Cain would eliminate the payroll taxes that fund Social Security and Medicare, and replace the progressive federal income tax with a flat 9 percent tax on income. He would lower the corporate income tax from 35 percent to 9 percent, and impose a new 9 percent national sales tax.

Cain argued Tuesday night that low-income workers would pay less because he would eliminate payroll taxes, which total 15.3 percent of wages, when employer and employee shares are included. But his analysis omits the fact that most low-income households make a profit from the federal income tax because they qualify for so many credits, deductions and exemptions. The result is that most low-income families currently pay less than 9 percent of their income in federal taxes. Nearly half of all U.S. households – mostly low-and middle-income families – pay no federal income taxes at all, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation, the official scorekeeper for Congress.

Additionally, all households would face a new 9 percent national sales tax, again disproportionately impacting those with lower incomes who spend all or most of their money.

High-income households would get a tax cut from the lower income tax rate. Also, Cain's proposal would eliminate taxes on capital gains.

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ROMNEY: "On Day One, I will issue an executive order identifying China as a currency manipulator...If you're not willing to stand up to China, you'll get run over by China. And that's what's happened for 20 years."

JON HUNTSMAN: "I don't subscribe to the Don Trump school or the Mitt Romney school of international trade. I don't want to find ourselves in a trade war.... We have to get used to the fact that, as far as the eye can see into the 21st Century, it's going to be the United States and China on the world stage."

THE FACTS. Economists largely agree with Huntsman, who was U.S. ambassador to China earlier in the Obama administration, that confronting China head on over currency manipulation would bring retaliation against U.S. business. The policy debate among Republicans – Democrats, too – is whether that risk is worth it.

Few dispute that China manipulates its currency by pegging it to the dollar. However, opponents of confronting China worry about a trade war that the fragile global economy cannot afford.

China may have more to lose than the U.S. if trade in goods were curtailed. But Washington depends heavily on China to buy U.S. Treasury securities to help finance its budget deficits.

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PERRY: Pointed to "the 54,600 jobs that have been created" by two state funds used for attracting businesses to Texas or helping new companies get started.

THE FACTS: The funds have not delivered that many jobs yet. Lucy Nashed, a Perry spokeswoman, said figures for 2011 are not available, but as of the end of 2010, the funds had only created 30,749 actual new positions in the state.

To be sure, the 89 firms that have received $439.5 million in state money have several years to create the jobs. But one study found nearly half the companies that got money had not met their goals. In many cases, the governor's staff allowed the companies to renegotiate their contracts or pay back a percentage of the funds they received.

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BACHMANN: "I think if you look at the problem with the economic meltdown, you can trace it right to the federal government, because it was the federal government that demanded that banks and mortgage companies lower platinum-level lending standards to new lows. It was the federal government that pushed the subprime loans."

THE FACTS: It might be argued that the government pursued policies under both Democratic and Republican presidents to promote home ownership, such as setting up mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to make more affordable mortgages possible, and the tax deduction for home mortgages. But it's a stretch to suggest that federal regulators forced banks to make mortgage loans to people who could not afford them. And neither Bachmann nor most other Republican presidential contenders are calling for a repeal of the home-mortgage deduction.

Many of the subprime loans that inflated the housing bubble were not made by banks, but by mortgage companies that weren't regulated by the federal government. A big reason they made the loans was because they could profit by selling them to Wall Street investment banks, which made money by packaging them into securities and selling them.

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Associated Press writers Tom Raum, Stephen Ohlemacher and Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar in Washington; Brian Bakst in St. Paul, Minn.; and Chris Tomlinson in Austin, Texas, contributed to this report.

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COMMUNITY PUNDITS
realpolitic 04:18 PM on 10/12/2011
Do we ever expect Republicans to tell the truth?  They have been telling false narratives so long that when they need facts they just make them up.  Their audience loves their ability to create facts out of thin air.  Actually, their programs may even be workable if their facts were correct, but their facts are wrong to begin with. Facts should be checked on the spot and each candidate put in  Read More...
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Dan Vasquez
My micro-bio is Open-Source
12:45 PM on 10/13/2011
The GOP hates it when you bring 'facts' into the equation. Facts make things so difficult for them.
10:45 AM on 10/13/2011
i wonder if you turn michelle bachmann upside down will you see the devil also?
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mgrant33301
10:08 AM on 10/13/2011
facts?

not a word the right wing likes nor subscribes to.
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10:03 AM on 10/13/2011
Ron Paul doesn't make it into HuffPo articles as much as the people trailing him...

And that makes me sad.
Linda from Deerfield
Paying attention
12:44 PM on 10/13/2011
I think I noticed a drop in HP commenter enthusiasm for him after he declared that he does not believe in evolution.
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Dan Vasquez
My micro-bio is Open-Source
12:47 PM on 10/13/2011
He didn't make in this story because he's the only honest one of the bunch.
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NotesFromME
04:17 PM on 11/13/2011
Honestly nuts.
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lNSCOUT
09:58 AM on 10/13/2011
you know, the GOPis always against political correctness.

The "T.ax E.vading A.mericans' Party is against political correctness.....I say give them what they want....call it what it is........LIE.

THEY LIE.
Linda from Deerfield
Paying attention
09:45 AM on 10/13/2011
Thank you, AP, for airing their lies. I thought that it was really sad for America that they were allowed to do this unchallenged in a national venue. I wonder who besides Huffington will pick up the story -- probably nobody.
Javalation
Laughing in a Daydream
08:59 AM on 10/13/2011
The unanticipated side effect of downsizing & shipping our jobs overseas which is destroying the middle class is "poor sales". Gee what a surprise.
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Sandgnat
Embrace the Lunacy
08:48 AM on 10/13/2011
They were fabricatin'
While they claimed to be debatin',
Was a fascinating show to see.

Said ....the government's lame,
Rules and regs are to blame
For the econofunk engulfing you and me.

Said...the folks who have naught?,
They're poor, it's their fault,
They just won't lift their bootstraps and stand

Said....Truth, the facts, and Reality,
Are all that's stoppin the GOP
From solvin' all the problems in this land.

Yeah, they were fabricatin'
While they claimed to be debatin',
Was a really sad show to see.
07:51 AM on 10/13/2011
Bachmann.
Trashes healthcare for ordinary Americans, but she gets free healthcare on our dime and the 23 foster kids she is always blowing about, also got free healthcare on our tax dollar, but she doesn't think you, our children or I deserve it. Her and her family have received over a quarter of a million dollars in farm subsidies, but wants the minimum wage ended.
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HippieChick
Still thinking about tomorrow
12:21 PM on 10/13/2011
"...but she gets free healthcare on our dime and the 23 foster kids she is always blowing about, also got free healthcare on our tax dollar..."
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Bachmann's said it - the "devil is in the details" (she certainly is)
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Barbarian At The Gate
Fortune favors the bold.
07:27 AM on 10/13/2011
Economists largely agree with Jon Huntsman on trade policy with China, yet he is trailing in the polls. Herman Cain, who is leading in the polls, can't get economists to back his 999 plan that was crafted by a rank and file financial advisor working in a cubicle in a town of 6000 people.
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lNSCOUT
09:59 AM on 10/13/2011
I like Huntsman. I think he'd be a fine President.....he just has to become a Democrat to get the chance.
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Barbarian At The Gate
Fortune favors the bold.
11:41 AM on 10/13/2011
He's not Red enough for the Teapublicans.
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raelalt
We don't need no stinkin' micro-bios
10:37 PM on 10/15/2011
He's the only one of the bunch that doesn't sound completely clueless.
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Barbarian At The Gate
Fortune favors the bold.
07:23 AM on 10/13/2011
Excellent fact checking.

The first few paragraphs prove one again that Supply Side Economics do not work. Employers stated that laying off workers was due to lack of demand. Supply side theory states that regardless of demand manufacturers would invest increasing the supply. A large supply of inventory would decrease prices and consumers would buy the products.

The reality is no one will build something if there is no demand no matter how much money they save in tax cuts. That is why in a recession or recovery the focus should be on demand side economics.
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Reiner-von-Sinn
Fol de rol de rolly O
07:16 AM on 10/13/2011
Just like Rickie Perry said in the debates "Thank God Ronald Reagan traveled back in time 6,000 yrs and slew the dinosaurs in order to make America safe for Jesus".
pitako8
The mind is a terrible thing to waste.
06:49 AM on 10/13/2011
For Republicans ... finding truth is like looking for a needle in a hay stack.
04:49 AM on 10/13/2011
With every single Republican in office today, the old riddle applies:

Q: How can you tell when a Republican is lying?
A: His lips are moving.
02:25 AM on 10/13/2011
You, or whoever, conveniently failed to fact-check statements made about Frank and Dodd. Gosh, what a surprise !!!!!
04:24 AM on 10/13/2011
Bubye.
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vonBeavis
Do what you can with what you've got while you can
06:26 AM on 10/13/2011
Dude,

You're on the wrong string. Probably on the wrong planet. You're definitely on the wrong side of the truth.