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Gays In Military: 'Inclusion Without Equality Is Incomplete'

Gays In Military Outserve

Posted: 10/16/11 12:21 AM ET

LAS VEGAS -- Amid the joy of meeting in public for the first time and with the novelty of the repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" receding, active-duty military personnel at their first conference here this weekend shifted focus to the rest of their agenda.

"Inclusion without equality is incomplete," said Sue Hyde of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force during a session at the inaugural OutServe Armed Forces Leadership Summit. "The job is not done."

Or, rather, jobs. A survey of 530 members of Outserve, which was until the Sept. 20 repeal of DADT an underground network of gay and lesbian military personnel, rated their most important priorities. Topping the list was pressing the Pentagon for partner benefits and repealing the Defense of Marriage Act, which bars recognition of same-sex marriage. OutServe members also cited identifying discriminatory conduct within the ranks and highlighting the positive contributions of gay and lesbian personnel. Last on the list, at least to start, is pushing to change Pentagon rules that still bar transgender people from serving.

Here's a closer look at the to-do list for gays in the military:

Ending disparities in partner and family benefits.

Efforts are under way in Congress to repeal DOMA, although advocates privately concede their prospects remain bleak as long as Republicans control the House.

The Obama administration has said DOMA is unconstitutional, and the Justice Department will no longer defend it in court. But House Republicans have said they will spend taxpayer money to defend the statute, so the issue is expected to be settled in federal court.

Even if DOMA is repealed, gay rights groups also must deal with Title 10 of the U.S. Code, which pertains to the armed forces. It defines a spouse as a person of the opposite sex when it comes to military benefits.

Together the two laws work to bar gay and lesbian couples from many of the military benefits enjoyed by straight couples. Those include everything from commissary shopping privileges to space-available travel on military aircraft to burial in national cemeteries. But the two biggest are health care coverage and housing aid, which together can amount to 40 percent of a service member's total compensation.

OutServe founder Josh Seefried said the first priority is to address that inequality. "There are now two different classes in the military for the first time since before African Americans were integrated into the armed forces [in 1948]," he said. "Commanders will see gay soldiers paid less, not having spousal relocation rights, and that will have effects on unit cohesion."

In a letter to Defense Secretary Leon Panetta in August, the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network urged him to take whatever equality measures he could within the confines of DOMA, including making same-sex married couples eligible for joint duty assignments, family center programs and military family housing.

Increasing protection against discrimination.

Unlike race, color, sex, religion, national origin, disability and age, sexual orientation is not part of the Military Equal Opportunity program aimed at eliminating bias against service members. SLDN Executive Director Aubrey Sarvis said sexual orientation "got lost" in the political bartering over repealing DADT.

Continuing harassment and a lack of redress will leave some uncomfortable about coming out of the closet, Seefried predicted. He noted that, despite more than a decade of gays serving openly in the British military, there is currently not a single openly gay Royal Marine.

Preserving recent wins.

The OutServe conference may be a milestone for gays in the military, but "we already see opponents who would roll back the clock if they could," Sarvis said.

The chairman of the House Armed Services Committee has said he would rather not pass a defense authorization bill than allow military chaplains to perform same-sex marriages, even though the Pentagon has said they may. All Republican presidential candidates except Ron Paul and Jon Huntsman have said that, if elected, they would revisit the repeal of DADT with an eye to reinstating the ban on open homosexuality.

Changing and upgrading past discharges.

Now that being gay and out is no longer a bar to military service, veterans ousted because of their sexual orientation may want to alter their discharge papers to remove information that might be held against them by civilian employers or that contains troubling or outdated notations.

More than 14,500 gay and lesbian service members received honorable discharges under DADT that nonetheless listed "Homosexual Conduct," "Homosexual Admission" or "Homosexual" as the reason for separation. Those words are written on the DD-214 form that many employers ask to see when considering whether to hire a veteran. The forms can out veterans and hurt their job prospects in conservative areas of the country at a time when the economy is already working against them, Sarvis said.

A much larger group of veterans were ousted for being gay before DADT. More than 100,000 service members were given general, "dishonorable" or "undesirable" discharges between World War II and 1993, when the military had a blanket ban on homosexuals. Since the repeal of DADT, a growing number have sought to upgrade or cleanse the characterizations on their separation papers. A few have succeeded, but on a case-by-case basis and only after lengthy and expensive legal appeals.

"This is about restoring some measure of dignity and integrity," Sarvis said, adding that SLDN is in talks with the Pentagon to streamline the process so that the records for discharges based solely on sexual orientation can be changed en masse.

Allowing transgender people to serve.

This is by far the most sensitive issue remaining for the military's LGBT community. Of a dozen workshops Saturday, the session on transgender service was the only one that organizers insisted be off the record for the media.

The repeal of DADT did not cover those who have had genital surgery or identify themselves with the opposite gender. There is no statutory prohibition against transgender military service, but the American Psychiatric Association considers transgender individuals to be suffering from Gender Identity Disorder, which constitutes a medical disqualification from service.

The same association removed homosexuality as a medical disorder in 1973, which toppled a key barrier to military service. It's now revising its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-V), with a new version due in May 2013. Transgender advocates are pushing to reclassify their condition so that under certain conditions they would be eligible for military service.

The diagnostic label is "a huge barrier and a challenge of great magnitude," said Sarvis, who chose his words carefully in an interview that reflected a level of discomfort about transgender issues that other gays -- including participants at OutServe -- rarely acknowledge outside their community. He noted that a bill to bar discrimination based on sexual orientation is currently stalled in the Senate because it includes transgender people.

Still, according to SLDN's legal director, David McKean, 5 to 10 percent of calls to the group seeking legal advice are from transgender people silently on active duty or considering enlisting. He said there are no statistics on the number currently serving.

McKean said the push to welcome transgender people openly into the military is just beginning and that advocates must first agree on a strategy and education program before they can make their case to the public and the Pentagon.

But there was consensus at OutServe that the issue must be on its agenda.

"We all came to the dance together and we all should leave together, including the Marine Corps Ball," said Danny Ingram, national president of American Veterans for Equal Rights and one of the first gay soldiers to be discharged under DADT. "We cannot let our transgender brothers and sisters down."

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LAS VEGAS -- Amid the joy of meeting in public for the first time and with the novelty of the repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" receding, active-duty military personnel at their first conference here ...
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Valerie Keefe
06:55 AM on 12/03/2011
I would really like to know what OutServe had to say about trans people that couldn't be said publicly. Was it once again genital panic in the barracks? And if that's the case, have we learned nothing?
01:24 AM on 10/24/2011
I bet you thought June was “Gay Pride Month.†Well, it is, as declared by President Barack Hussein Obama originally in 2009 and re-dedicated as such in 2010 and 2011. But June is hardly the only “gay month†and should be distinguished from â€LGBT History Month,†which was first celebrated in 1994.

June was chosen as Gay Pride Month since the homosexual ascendancy in the United States began in June, 1969 with the Stonewall riots. October was selected as LGBT History Month because “National Coming Out Day†falls on October 11th and the first gay march on Washington occurred in October, 1979.

Got all that? If not, try to keep up, okay!

Union High School special ed teacher Vicki Knox couldn’t have forgotten the gay significance of October since school signs posters declaring this month â€Lesbian Gay Bi Transgender History Month†reminded her every day.

Mrs. Knox, a devout Christian, made the mistake of foolishly exercising her First Amendment right of free speech regarding her views on the evils of homosexuality on a very public venue, Facebook, and was suspended by Union High and may lose her job because of alleged homophobia.

Knox’s comments may not have provoked retaliation as much as the growing Facebook comment thread although she apparently did get more strident in expressing her unforgivable beliefs . . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=5776.)
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JonB2057
Think, it ain't illegal yet!
08:53 PM on 10/22/2011
"More than 14,500 gay and lesbian service members received honorable discharges under DADT that nonetheless listed "Homosexual Conduct," "Homosexual Admission" or "Homosexual" as the reason for separation. Those words are written on the DD-214 form that many employers ask to see when considering whether to hire a veteran. The forms can out veterans and hurt their job prospects in conservative areas of the country at a time when the economy is already working against them, Sarvis said."

Then what was the whole fight over being able to "serve" openly???? If you want to "serve" openly, why should anyone care what is written on their DD 214??
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Valerie Keefe
06:56 AM on 12/03/2011
Because one's sexual orientation or gender identity should not in any way be considered a strike against honourable service rendered.
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Delphi Omally
transgender is NOT a mental disorder
08:48 PM on 10/20/2011
Misinformation about genitalia and the transgender journey:

An overwhelming amount of persons think that the authority to enter opposite birth-gender areas stems from genitalia. They believe that genitalia must match the M or F, sign on the door, however, someone with conflicting genitalia is not going to do a PDG (public display of genitalia) in private areas. This is not a loophole for males to enter female areas or vice versa although undoubtedly this occurs. It is just that for many, genital surgery costs as much as a compact car and then some.

Although in 3 years I have never been challenged, my ID (not inspection of privates) verifies that I AM of the female gender. In fact, using the male restroom would justify a legal arrest provided such an ordinance was in place. Non-trans men cannot, without a medical doctor's validation, get a gender change on ID cards. The issue isn't really about genitalia since restrooms have privacy stalls, including the male restrooms. The issue is about "striking fear" in restroom patrons based on external visual cues that conflict with the posted M or F sign on the door. The second issue relates to the safety of children in the restroom. Again, from misalignment of transgender persons as "deviants" for daring to fix something about ourselves medically, lack of understanding has invoked completely unmerited fear; especially since predators will stop at nothing to prey on the weak and innocent already despite the penalty of law.
09:05 AM on 10/19/2011
You should read the terrible impact it has on american soldiers in book___SWITCHING SIDES: Is There A Difference Between Gay Love and Heterosexual Love? by Author Raymond Sturgis
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r henry
I live between concrete walls
01:56 PM on 10/19/2011
I'm starting to get the idea that your last name isn't really King.
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Atwill
Proud Father of a gay son.
09:19 AM on 10/23/2011
switching sides? As if ther is a choice?
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duckpuddle
look at me!
11:15 AM on 10/18/2011
This just shows how much work is left to be done.

Thank you SLDN. Thank you openly gay service persons. You are the next wave of gay acceptance. I wish it was easier, but I'm glad you are doing the work. Future generations will appreciate the strides that you are making.
02:12 AM on 10/18/2011
Andrea, thank you for highlighting this. I am active duty Navy, I support your words.
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ta2t2o
Ask Osama Bin Laden
11:19 PM on 10/17/2011
"House Republicans have said they will spend taxpayer money to defend the statute"

The Republicans have said that no taxpayer money should be used for abortions as this is something that they morally oppose. Why then is it that they are then able to use my taxpayer money to defend DOMA - which is something I morally oppose. Am I not a taxpayer too?
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Le Fou
04:34 PM on 10/17/2011
You know, I don't believe that Transgendered people should be in the military. It isn't because of ignorance, or maybe to a point it is.

The LGBT is very anti trans inclusive, and I know that at least a third of the LGBT groups out there are anti trans. Which I kind of understand because Trans and LGB are different things entirely. However I know for a fact that the kinds of drugs that Trans people take can be very dangerous and cause moods swings. I personally don't think that it's a good idea to add them into another situation like a war that may cause further stress or chance of harm. I don't think it's right to place them in an environment where they can be preyed upon by both heterosexuals bigots and homosexual ones.

I do however thing that post transition transexuals should be allowed in.
05:56 PM on 10/17/2011
Funny, if you have asthma or psoriasis you can't serve in the military but if you choose to lop your member off some think this is a good idea. Truly we have lost our collective sanity and forgotten why we have a military. And no, fairness has nothing to do with it.
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Le Fou
07:48 PM on 10/17/2011
I don't think it's very funny. Transexxuals have an easily explained medical reason why they are the way they are. Their disability also does not negatively affect their health like asthma and psoriasis.

I don't think the reason why we have the military have been lost. I think most people have forgotten how we should treat our military personnel. If a homosexual and a heterosexual are both doing the same amount of work, incurring the same amount of danger, and dieing equally for the same reasons, then why are they not being treated thusly? My blood's the same as yours. I just have sex in a different position. If I go over to Afghanistan and die then why wont my boyfriend receive benefits like your wife will? If I died the same as you, then why am I treated as less? Remember our soldiers and treat them equally, as an all, not a sexual preference.
05:55 PM on 10/18/2011
Actually you CAN serve (at least in the Air Force--even be a pilot) with Asthma or psoriasis or a number of other conditions. It's in AFI 48-123. You usually can not JOIN with those conditions but once in and we've spent $$ training you the medical standards diminish. They REALLY diminish if you're a senior officer/enlisted or have a critical AFSC. So transgendered Airmen who are already in the service and discover they are trans should be treated similar to an Airman who develops asthma at age 30. If the Airman is a keeper with asthma than the Airman should be a keeper if transgendered.
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r henry
I live between concrete walls
01:57 PM on 10/19/2011
What LGBT groups out there are anti-Trans? Please give some examples.
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Razpooten
Nil homini certum est
03:43 PM on 10/17/2011
"They gave me a medal for killing two men and a discharge for loving one." Sgt Leornard Matlovich, Bronze Star, Purple Heart - Viet Nam.
11:04 AM on 10/17/2011
There is a story in The New York Times Style about our men and women in uniform coming out of the closet vis-a-vis YouTube since the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. No one is happier than me of this recent development, but I wonder, “Is this really a Style story?†http://bit.ly/mT9Yx8
12:15 AM on 10/17/2011
Gay marriage will be legal nationwide in less that 5 years. Once Perry vs Schwarzenegger reaches the SCOTUS, they will rules like they have 18 other times, that marriage is the most basic fundamental right of man. And the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution guarantees them their right to Equal protection of the laws. And their right to marriage in all 50 states.
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Mulebone
You're heavy, and I'm not your Brother
08:21 PM on 10/16/2011
"Last on the list, at least to start, is pushing to change Pentagon rules that still bar transgender people from serving..."

Oh, you didn't know that was one of the demands?

Nobody told you ...?
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12:57 AM on 10/17/2011
Was this supposed to make some kind of sense?
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ta2t2o
Ask Osama Bin Laden
11:26 PM on 10/17/2011
At one time they said the same of women and blacks. What reason would there be to ban them other than to cater to the ignorance of people who know absolutely nothing about the transgendered. I would be the first to be on board if there was a scientific, physical reason why transgendered people were unable to serve. I felt the same way about women in combat. If they couldn't do the physical requirements needed - then they shouldn't serve.

I think that what makes people take pause here is that they don't want to believe that transgenered people would physically be able to accomplish what others can accomplish. Somehow because they have gender confusion, they are somewhat weaker. It's simply not the case.
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Le Fou
12:12 AM on 10/18/2011
You should see this one lady I know's left hook. It is insane.
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Contact1972
Honey Badger Don't Care
02:06 PM on 10/16/2011
Getting rid of DOMA is hat we should concentrate on IMHO.
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duckpuddle
look at me!
11:20 AM on 10/18/2011
Absolutely. The best way to do that is to fight it from every direction through legal challenges and to push for legislative repeal by gaining as many co-sponsors as possible.

The more fronts there are in the battle, the sooner it will be permanently gone. But even then, as this article points out, there will still be much work to do. Perseverance.
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Atwill
Proud Father of a gay son.
01:56 PM on 10/16/2011
If the gay couple have the marraige license from a state where it is legal, they should have all the same as straight married couples, housing, money, medical / dental, base access, eveything.
janefi
It's always about The Constitution.
02:23 PM on 10/16/2011
Greedy gays at it again.
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KurtMichaelFriese
What's wrong with my micro-bio?
02:50 PM on 10/16/2011
What on earth is greedy about wanting implementation of the 9th and 14th amendments?
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BornOKtheFirstTime
pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo
03:21 PM on 10/16/2011
Hateful anti-gay bigots like you at it again. Why are you so anti-gay? Luckily for the US, the number of anti-gay bigots is shrinking.