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First Posted: 10/19/11 07:18 PM ET Updated: 12/19/11 05:12 AM ET

The congressional super committee tasked with reshaping the social contract between the government and the American people has not had a public meeting since the middle of last month. The next public hearing, meanwhile, is scheduled for October 26th, more than a month after last one was held. On Wednesday, the Gang of Six, which also conducted much of its deliberation behind closed doors, met privately with the super committee members.

As the panel's opacity becomes more conspicuous, centrist advocates have begun to defend the necessity of shielding the public from its decision-making process. "[G]reater openness by the panel, officially known as the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction, would actually be harmful to the public interest. Private meetings are essential to give the committee’s six Republicans and six Democrats the freedom to step away from party orthodoxies, conduct serious negotiations and search for common ground, rather than engage in political posturing," wrote Jordan Tama in a widely read New York Times op-ed Wednesday.

The fundamental problem that the committee faces is that it is attempting to pass legislation that is widely opposed by the American people. Large majorities are against cutting Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid or other elements of the social safety net. There is similarly little appetite for significant tax increases on the middle class. The only deficit cutting provisions that are palatable to broad swaths of the American electorate -- cuts to the Pentagon and tax hikes on the wealthy -- are fiercely opposed by key power centers in Washington.

A group empaneled earlier and tasked with a similar aim failed to come to consensus amid public opposition, a point Tama makes to bolster the case for secrecy. "History reveals the importance of extensive private talks for members of a bipartisan group to get to know one another and pursue compromises. Eleven of the 18 members of President Obama’s fiscal commission endorsed a $4 trillion deficit reduction package, but only after months of private deliberations. When the panel did hold public hearings, they resulted in partisan grandstanding about fiscal stimulus and health care reform," he writes.

ABC News reported Wednesday that the Gang of Six and the super panel members were mum about what went on behind closed doors.

Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), a co-chair of the committee, earlier expressed frustration over criticism of the panel's lack of transparency, noting that pundits had urged both parties to get into a room and hammer out a compromise -- only to criticize the process when they did just that. "It's interesting. Everybody says, 'If they'd just get into a room by themselves, they could figure this out,' and we are very clear that however we get to this, it will be a very public process -- it has to be," Murray said. "I think it is important for us to be able to be open and honest with each other."

"I remember well one time when I was very little and I was fighting with my brother every other minute and my mother put us in a backroom and said don't come out until you got it figured out," Murray added at the time. "We stared at each other for a while, but we came out friends."

So far this Congress, the GOP has managed to extract significant spending concessions without agreeing to tax hikes in return, using the threat of default or a government shutdown as leverage. But since the super committee doesn't currently face a threat of that sort, failure to strike a deal is a distinct possibility -- and one that may have few repercussions. Indeed, the automatic cuts that would supposedly be triggered if the committee is unable to reach an agreement may never come to pass.

As HuffPost has reported, those cuts don't begin to take effect until 2013, meaning that Congress will have more than a year -- a timespan that includes a lame-duck Congress -- to reverse itself:

The automatic cuts -- known as sequestration -- are often discussed in Washington as if they're certain, an inevitability that Congress won't be able to prevent. But on the same day those cuts would go into effect, the Bush tax rates, which President Obama extended for two years, are set to expire, leading to an "automatic" tax hike that is treated in Washington as anything but inevitable. (That the two coming policy changes are approached so differently -- cuts are expected; expiring tax breaks for the wealthy are brushed aside -- is a window into Washington's priorities.) A host of other tax cuts and credits will expire on the same day, including the alternative minimum tax, ethanol tax credits, renewable energy credits and others important to businesses, the wealthy and the middle class.

A lame-duck Congress would have two months after the 2012 election to stave off the expiration of both that tax policy and the super committee's "automatic" cuts.

The most likely scenario: The super committee locks up along partisan lines and, after the 2012 election, bipartisan negotiators deal with the tax cuts and the super committee's sequestration cuts, along with a basket of other expiring provisions, in one set of negotiations. Democrats will be pressured by the coming sequestration, while Republicans will be motivated by the expiration of the Bush tax cuts. And all of their negotiations will take place in a political and economic climate impossible to predict today.


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The congressional super committee tasked with reshaping the social contract between the government and the American people has not had a public meeting since the middle of last month. The next public ...
The congressional super committee tasked with reshaping the social contract between the government and the American people has not had a public meeting since the middle of last month. The next public ...
 
 
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12:36 PM on 10/21/2011
Sometime in the next few years our country will be forced to drastically reduce social programs such as medicaid and welfare, etc. because we can't afford them and our huge military spending will force the use of the military to use the internment camps that were built in the remote areas of the US by KBR/Halliburton will be used to control the riots and violence that occurs as a result of the spending cuts. We also have a huge elderly population that just started retiring which will add more stress to the situation since they will add huge demand to these social programs. I have never expected that social security will be solvent by the time I need it and I would recommend to all amercians to find another way to survive besides government help in the troubling years ahead.
05:52 PM on 10/20/2011
I will file a suite against anything they come up with as unconstutional because they are a illegal body we have a congress and do not want a dictatorship in any form
03:53 PM on 10/20/2011
Is this the "new normal" for open government in the people's house?
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Sierra97
Liberal Agnostic Republican
05:11 PM on 10/20/2011
Country was practically founded on secret meetings. Continental Congress met in secret out of fear of the Crown. The writing of our Constitution was a private meeting too, to keep the special interests out.

If them meeting in secret means the lobbyists and their fundraisers aren't getting in either, I'm all for it.
10:49 PM on 10/20/2011
U.K. won't attack...so no worries there......lobbyists and the top 1% would off course throw checks and maybe some bundles of cash which could hurt. However when talking about peoples life lines....it should be done in the open.
03:47 PM on 10/20/2011
super duper...another committee of individuals who should have had solutions years ago. Yea, alot of theatre and the taxpayers keep paying. Enuf already. Cancel all debts, student loans, foreclosures, and start with a clean sheet. Let the homeless occupy Las Vegas and work on the farms that produce an incredible excess of food.
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muck-raker
give me liberty or give me death
06:56 PM on 10/20/2011
your last sentence speaks volumes FF
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wdjmozingo
03:38 PM on 10/20/2011
This country needs a revolution now.Maybe then those jokers might under stand what the American people want It isnt about what the hell they want,it is what the majority of the American people want.Maybe the time has come.
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Sierra97
Liberal Agnostic Republican
05:18 PM on 10/20/2011
We're not there yet. Cool off. On a long enough time line, every major governmental organization has gone through massive changes, not always at the point of a gun. The Catholic Church is an example. The Popes and clergy got so corrupt it finally ate away at them and they had to change their ways (Protestant Reformation/Counter-Reformation).
03:37 PM on 10/20/2011
Dear America:

Just a quick note to remind 99% of Americans that the public interest is best served and protected by holding secret meetings presided over by 2.24299066% of the full Congress also known as the Super Committee. The Super Committee is just a very small version of the full Congress. Therefore, we can gauge how well the Super Committee will protect the public interest by reviewing how well the full body of Congress has protected the public interest.

The full Congress protected the public interest by holding all those accountable who ripped off the taxpayers and, or violated our constitution by and through the mortgage fraud bubble, TARP, TALF QE 1, QE 2, the initiation of illegal wars and use of torture. They have the foreclosure mess all sorted out. Thanks to Congress, the big banks are back to making big profits through those old fraud schemes while unemployment remains high, the economy is sputtering along and corporations continue to sit on huge piles of cash.

Just imagine how much more effective the Super Committee will be at protecting the public interest with only 12 of members Congress negotiating behind closed doors with the same number of lobbyists and special interests that were hounding all 535 members of Congress.

Just sit back and relax. We got your back America.

Yours truly,

Super Committee
03:05 PM on 10/20/2011
"Large majorities are against cutting Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid or other elements of the social safety net. There is similarly little appetite for significant tax increases on the middle class." - These are mutually exclusive these entitlements will consume the entire budget in no time and broad-based tax increases are the only way to raise enough revenue.

"The only deficit cutting provisions that are palatable to broad swaths of the American electorate -- cuts to the Pentagon and tax hikes on the wealthy -- are fiercely opposed by key power centers in Washington." Balancing the budget is also broadly supported.
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Veganie
Live food, live bodies
02:29 PM on 10/20/2011
Nixon raised the debt ceiling 9 times for a total increase of 36%.

Ford raised the debt ceiling 5 times for a total increase of 41%.

Carter raised the debt ceiling 9 times for total increase of 59%.

Reagan raised the debt ceiling 18 times for a total increase of 199%.

George H.W. Bush raised the debt ceiling 9 times for a total increase of 48%.

Clinton raised the debt ceiling 4 times for a total increase of 44%.

George W. Bush raised the debt ceiling 7 times for a total increase of 90%.

Obama has raised the debt ceiling 3 times for a total increase of 26%.
03:57 PM on 10/20/2011
And then the little teapots in congress got steamed up and began to shout.
07:07 PM on 10/20/2011
Numbers can be deceiving. Since each raise started with a higher number of dollars, the dollar amount can be higher even though the percentage is lower.
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silverball
02:26 PM on 10/20/2011
...gee...i thought governance for WE, THE PEOPLE was ALL about TRANSPARENCY.....did i miss something here???...and haven't we heard this from both sides whenever the other is in power....
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DixieMelody
Iso Blue in Red Idaho
02:20 PM on 10/20/2011
Planning military strategy in secret to keep intelligence from the enemy is understandable. . .

But heads up Super (secret) Committee and those who appointed you. . .

Citizens of OUR country are NOT the enemy.

What happened to the promised "transparency" of this administration?

SOP of candidates: Promise EVERYTHING and deliver NOTHING.
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Smitzo
02:19 PM on 10/20/2011
"The fundamental problem that the committee faces is that it is attempting to pass legislation that is widely opposed by the American people." -

Really? So to protect us uneducated and feeble minded citizens from these important decisions that will affect all of us they must do these things in secrecy. Than goodness I got the nanny state to do all this critical thinking for me. I am going to go eat my pudding now.
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TruEngineHearing
Happiness needs new pursuers...
02:15 PM on 10/20/2011
If the 'supers' get it wrong for the 'regulars', I think it will all come apart; I don't know how it could be anything different than that - if this 'super' committee does anything to harm Social Security, or Medicare, then it's members will need Kevlar wardrobes and the best explanation they've ever given for anything - ever.
02:07 PM on 10/20/2011
NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT AVERAGE CITIZEN, YOU KNOW YOU WILL GET IT IN THE END
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DixieMelody
Iso Blue in Red Idaho
02:22 PM on 10/20/2011
EVERYTHING to worry about for that very reason.
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Adartist777
Middle Class Warrior
01:57 PM on 10/20/2011
We all knew that the CIA was our other secret government. Now we have another one.
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DixieMelody
Iso Blue in Red Idaho
02:23 PM on 10/20/2011
Shadow government has the real power.

What we actually see is filtered through the propaganda machine.
01:51 PM on 10/20/2011
If you want to talk to a super committee member then please put a check for 250,000 into the campaign fund of that member. If you would like to be present in the negotiations then add 10 6 figure positions to your company and fill with the members family members or the persons of their choosing. If you would like to consult with the committee, create a PAC that can generate at least 1 million dollars in 30 days in addition to the first 2 requirements.