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Herman Cain Abortion Stance Is 'Quintessentially Pro-Choice,' Rick Santorum Says

AP/The Huffington Post   First Posted: 10/20/2011 2:58 pm Updated: 12/20/2011 4:12 am

CONCORD, N.H. -- Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum pounced on rival Herman Cain's position on abortion Thursday, saying it mirrors the views of abortion-rights supporters and shows that Cain is not a true conservative.

In an interview Wednesday with CNN, Cain said he believes life begins at conception. "And abortion under no circumstances," he added. But Cain also said "it's not the government's role or anybody else's role to make that decision," according to a CNN transcript.

(Video above via Mediaite.)

Asked whether his personal views would become a "directive to the nation," should he become president, Cain said they wouldn't.

"I can have an opinion on an issue without it being a directive on the nation," he said. "The government shouldn't be trying to tell people everything to do, especially when it comes to social decisions that they need to make."

Cain also seemed contradictory in a recent interview with Fox Business' John Stossel. "My position is that I'm 100% pro-life. Period," he said. When asked whether it followed that a woman could not terminate a pregnancy if she had been raped, he said, "That's her choice. That is not government's choice. I support life from conception." When asked whether that meant abortion should be legal, he said, "No, abortion should not be legal. I believe in the sanctity of life."

Cain opposed abortion even in cases of rape and incest in his 2004 campaign for U.S. Senate in Georgia. He also opposed using "tax dollars" that "could encourage abortion as a 'solution' to problem pregnancies."

Campaigning in New Hampshire on Thursday, Santorum accused Cain of misleading voters about his conservative credentials.

"It's basically the position that just about every pro-choice politician has in America," Santorum told The Associated Press. "I don't know too many pro-choice politicians who are for abortion, who want more abortions ... but they say the decision is a choice the government shouldn't be involved in."

Santorum added: "That is Herman Cain's position, which does not make him pro-life. That is the quintessential pro-choice position on abortion."

Santorum said Cain's comments are further proof that Cain hasn't been tested as a candidate.

"This is what you get when folks haven't run for office before - you get someone who says what he is personally, and no one .... asks the question of whether it applies to his public policy," Santorum said. "And obviously it does not."

A spokesman for Cain's campaign did not respond to a phone message, but Cain tweeted Thursday afternoon, "I'm 100% pro-life. End of story."

Santorum, a former U.S. senator from Pennsylvania, has been campaigning aggressively in early voting Iowa, where he gets high marks from conservative activists but registers little support in public polls. Cain, meanwhile, has been rising in the polls, both in New Hampshire and nationally.

Santorum kept up his criticism of Cain later Thursday, when he filed paperwork with the New Hampshire secretary of state's office to get on the ballot for the yet-to-be scheduled presidential primary. Cain did not file in person; he had a staffer sign him up earlier Thursday.

"I'm not selling any books today," Santorum said, referring to a book tour Cain recently launched that fueled speculation that he was more interested in profiting from his growing national profile than winning the election.

Santorum said it's possible "viral candidates and virtual candidates" can win but that he believes retail politics, particularly in the early voting states of Iowa and New Hampshire, still matter.

"Had Herman been up here doing town hall meetings for a few months we'd know a lot more about him than we do now," he said. "You may not agree with the positions I hold, but you know the positions I hold. And they're very clear, and they're very consistent."

UPDATE: Santorum sent out a statement Thursday afternoon saying Cain's position was similar to many on the "liberal left:"

Probably like me, you were absolutely floored by what Herman Cain said on CNN last night. After acknowledging that he believes life begins at conception, Herman Cain went on to say it's up to the individual to decide whether or not to kill an innocent unborn child. That means that while he believes it is a life, he doesn't consider it a life worth fighting for. As the author of the legislation that banned partial birth abortions forever, I am stunned that someone running for the Republican nomination for president would have this position.

In fact, Herman Cain's pro-choice position is similar to those held by John Kerry, Barack Obama and many others on the liberal left. You cannot be both personally against abortion while condoning it - you can't have it both ways. We must defend the defenseless, period.

We can disagree about tax policy. We can disagree about government regulations. Those are fair issues to debate. But we must all stand unified in defense of the defenseless unborn.


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CONCORD, N.H. -- Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum pounced on rival Herman Cain's position on abortion Thursday, saying it mirrors the views of abortion-rights supporters and shows that Ca...
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08:39 AM on 10/25/2011
Hermy Hermy Hermy. You're digging a hole you'll never get out of. You can't play both sides of the fence on abortion. You just can't. It's the last nail (of many) in your coffin. You sealed your fate.

You can't say "abortion should not be legal"
And then say "it's not the government's role"

These two statements are diametrically opposed to one another. Government has to make it illegal. So therefore it MUST be government's role.

I actually respect Cains position on this. He's personally against abortion, yet saying it's not his role to determine that for others. It's 100% a pro choice stance. Unfortunately he's trying to guise it under the cloak of being illegal. That will NEVER fly with the GOP/TP.
10:10 PM on 10/23/2011
On Abortion: "I have come to understand that Herman Cain has in reality done far more for the pro-life movement than I ever have. For instance, he donated $1 million of his own money in an attempt to encourage black voters to vote pro-life. His 2004 Senate campaign made life a central issue. His work opposing abortion – especially among the black population – has led many leftist organizations to denounce him with hysterical, shrieking screeds; which is probative evidence of the fact that they were to some degree effective."
See more at source:
www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2011/10/21/a-mea-culpa-on-herman-cain-and-abortion/
01:27 PM on 10/21/2011
Big difference between anti=abortion and pro-life. True pro-life would be anti death penalty, pro welfare ,free medical, in favor of all immigration, anti war etc. Many so called "pro-life' are really pro birth, deserting the new mother and child as soon as the forced birth occurs. Actually why do men argue about this issue.?. Until they can become pregnant, they should leave thps decision to the woman.
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Left-Populist
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11:52 PM on 10/23/2011
That's why there is the Democrats for Life of America
12:03 PM on 10/21/2011
Obama is doing great reversing the Bush Recession and Job Losses, especially when you consider the republican tea party obstruction, and the fact that the tea party forced the USA to abandon capitalism on August 2nd.
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bentpan
If you don't mind it don't matter I mind
12:49 PM on 10/21/2011
Thanks for the best laugh of the day, you are truly clueless.
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PennsylvaniaVoter
Civility please. Thanks.
02:17 AM on 10/22/2011
I concur. My 401-k has gone way up. By the end of 2008 our economy was losing more than 700,000 jobs a month, and now we're typically seeing 100,000 jobs created a month. We're still not out of the woods and could really use Obama's Jobs Act, but given the depth of the crisis involved I'm feeling pretty good about his efforts to get the bus out of the ditch.
12:00 PM on 10/21/2011
Do tea baggers realize that the GOP candidates that have no chance are just throwing bombs? No. They think the commentary by Bachmann, Cain and Santorum is valid. Funnier yet, is that they don't understand the meaning of the useless commentary. Fact and Fiction are synonomous in the Fox News Tea Party World.. It's a fantasyland of Denial.
11:52 AM on 10/21/2011
Herman Cain's position on Abortion, or any other issue for that matter, has no bearing on his favorability rating among Tea Party voters It is clear to anyone watching these debates, the the audience cheers the delivery with no regard for content. This is true for all the GOP candidates. It is obvious that the Tea Party voters don't understand what is being asked, answered, or dodged.
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11:14 AM on 10/21/2011
Chase Chevalier wrote: From now through the election Democrats will use any and all issues to distract away from the current Adminstati­ons record. Not doing so would certainly assure a new President.

Why would anyone want to distract folks from the following:

1. The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, makes it illegal for employers to pay unequal wages to men and women who perform equal work.

2. Saved the American auto industry and its hundreds of thousands of jobs from disappearing by preventing Chrysler and GM from going bankrupt.

3. Overturned Bush Administration restrictions on Federal funding for stem cell research.

4. The Matthew Shepard Act, expands hate crime definitions to include gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability.

5. The Don't Ask, Don't Tell Repeal Act, allows gay soldiers to serve openly in the United States military.

6. The Credit Card Bill of Rights, outlaws hidden fees and deceptive lending practices from credit card companies.

7. Student loan reform, significantly expands access to affordable government loans and Pell Grants for college.

8. The Affordable Care Act (Obama Care as Fox News would say) establishes universal health care, allowing, among other things, people with pre-existing health problems access to health insurance. And the Children's Health Insurance Reauthorization Act, provides health care to 11 million children who live in poverty.

9. New START Treaty, will reduce by half the nuclear missile stockpiles of Russia and the United States.

10. Oh yeah... Got Osama bin Laden.
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PennsylvaniaVoter
Civility please. Thanks.
02:27 AM on 10/22/2011
I'd like to add:
11. Got Moamar Gaddafi and a free Libya without committing American troops.
12. Ended War in Iraq on 12/31/2011. (OK, a bit ahead of myself, but he's not going to back out of it now.)
13. Got Dodd-Frank financial reform passed. (Even if this got watered down by the Republicans, it still has a few teeth including the Consumer Protection Agency.)
11:05 AM on 10/21/2011
I'm in favor of aborting the freakish campaigns of all Republican presidential candidates.
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des946
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10:36 AM on 10/21/2011
Personally, I support Pro-Choice. However, I have come to the opinion that Herman Cain is totally unqualified to be president of the USA. The more he talks, the worse he appears to be. It appears that he may also be the PRIVATELY OWNED and OPERATED Federal Reserve Bank's Black candidate, and EX-Fed guy to try to shoehorn into the White House. Personally, I do not think that Cain has a snowball's chance in hell to be elected.

What I find to be so SCARY is the fact that so many of our key government posts have been filled with EX-Fed people or EX-Goldman Sachs people. It appears that just like Obama's caing-in to the GOP; he has caved-in to the political pressure from the Fed to fill all of the key positions with either Ex-Fed or EX-Goldman Sachs people. It appears to me to be an attempt by the oligarchic powers that be, to take over our government by having "their people" in all of the key positions.

Am I the only person who perceives this? Surely not.
10:35 AM on 10/21/2011
From now through the election Democrats will use any and all issues to distract away from the current Adminstations record. Not doing so would certainly assure a new President.
11:55 AM on 10/21/2011
Obama's record is a masterpiece in both economics and foreign affairs. Obama has done exceptionally well on the economy, reversing Bush's record job losses and Bush's financial collapse. Obama will also run on the failed record of the freshman Tea Party. After all, we are living under Tea Party economics, and they are promising more of the same.
06:40 PM on 10/21/2011
I respect that you have a different opinion than mine I really do but I just wanted to thank you for the hardy laugh. Thank you and best of luck to you!
10:31 AM on 10/21/2011
Best to listen to the full interview to understand what this Mr. Cain is very cleary stating. If people don't agree with his personal opinion that is ok atleast we better know the man.
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Christine Chew
10:29 AM on 10/21/2011
I may not agree with Cain, but Santorum is just awful. How this man ever held office is beyond me. Whining about getting made fun of on SNL, attacking anyone and anything he can. He is just full of hate. He really needs to go away ASAP, and I'm pretty sure both democrats and (most) repubs can agree on that.
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tuhloola
The facts have a well-known liberal bias
11:37 AM on 10/21/2011
Agreed.....and take the rest of those clowns with him !!!!
10:24 AM on 10/21/2011
Mr. Cain simple could not have done better expressing his position. If you watch the full interview he so eliquently states that although he has a personal belief that some might not agree with he does not feel the Govt. has any right or place dictating to individuals and families their choice on aborting. You have to love this guy. Not a shady politician, just a real man.
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PennsylvaniaVoter
Civility please. Thanks.
02:13 PM on 10/22/2011
So you're saying he's pro-choice. I generally don't agree with Rick Santorum, but in this case he's factually correct that Herman Cain's position is fundamentally pro-choice and therefore inconsistent with the pro-life position. But, Herman Cain now says he's pro-life. It is almost as if someone had to explain the difference to him . . .
10:19 AM on 10/21/2011
People who think Gay people Choose that life style should think again. Then that would mean I chose to be heterosexual. Honestly I don't ever remember making a choice. I was just attracted to the opposite sex.
02:18 PM on 10/25/2011
Regardless if it's a choice they still should be treated equal to heterosexuals. I've always been attracted to men. To me when gay's are attacked, it's like attacking me because I've always been fiercely independent and being married has been an enormous struggle- yet very rewarding.
It's funny when people make comments- even my own family.
So OK I love Elton John's music. I'm from Portland and enjoy Gus Van Sant. Being an artist who looks to others gay or not: "Why should I be criticized by what I write and draw?" The criticism makes no sense. I don't care if Ron Howard or Gus Van Sant liked my book. Naturally coming from Portland I am drawn to Mr Van Sant. Well I guess you have to have a thick skin and if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.
10:06 AM on 10/21/2011
Conservative republicans are right.

They believe in a restricted, non-intrusive government.

And what could be more non-intrusive than for government to cram its snout into a woman's uterus?

And what could be more non-intrusive than requiring a physician to recite a script written by government bureaucrats to a woman contemplating an abortion, on the evils of abortion?

Let's keep government out of our personal affairs, right, righties?