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After Alabama Immigration Law, Few Americans Taking Immigrants' Work

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By JAY REEVES and ALICIA A. CALDWELL   10/20/11 11:58 PM ET  AP

ONEONTA, Ala. -- Potato farmer Keith Smith saw most of his immigrant workers leave after Alabama's tough immigration law took effect, so he hired Americans. It hasn't worked out: Most show up late, work slower than seasoned farm hands and are ready to call it a day after lunch or by midafternoon. Some quit after a single day.

In Alabama and other parts of the country, farmers must look beyond the nation's borders for labor because many Americans simply don't want the backbreaking, low-paying jobs immigrants are willing to take. Politicians who support the law say over time more unemployed Americans will fill these jobs. They insist it's too early to consider the law a failure, yet numbers from the governor's office show only nominal interest.

"I've had people calling me wanting to work," Smith said. "I haven't turned any of them down, but they're not any good. It's hard work, they just don't work like the Hispanics with experience."

Alabama passed its law in June and it was immediately challenged by the Obama administration as it has been in other states. Unlike those states' measures, Alabama's law was left largely in place while challenges played out in court, frightening Hispanics and driving many of them away.

The agriculture industry suffered the most immediate impact. Farmers said they will have to downsize or let crops die on the vine. As the season's harvest winds down, many are worried about next year.

In south Georgia, Connie Horner has heard just about every reason unemployed Americans don't want to work on her blueberry farm. It's hot, the hours are long, the pay isn't enough and it's just plain hard.

"You can't find legal workers," Horner said. "Basically they last a day or two, literally."

Horner, who runs an 8 1/2-acre organic blueberry farm, said she tried to use the government's visa program to hire foreign workers, but it was too costly and time consuming.

She plans to stop growing organically and start using a machine to pick the berries.

"I did everything I possibly could to be legal and honest and not part of the problem," Horner said. "Morally, I can't knowingly hire illegal workers."

Gov. Robert Bentley, a Republican who signed the law, started a program last week to help businesses, particularly farmers, make up for the lost labor. So far, about 260 people interested in temporary agricultural jobs have signed up. About three dozen job openings have been posted, said Tara Hutchison, a spokeswoman for the Alabama Department of Industrial Relations. She said the department doesn't know of anyone who has been hired.

Sen. Scott Beason, a Republican, said he has received several emails and phone calls from people thanking him for helping them get jobs. He described one getting promoted from a part-time job with no benefits to a full-time job with benefits because some other immigrant workers left. He said none of the workers who thanked him have wanted to talk to the media.

"They are paranoid of publicity. They are like, `I don't want to get shredded up like y'all are.' ... I really can't blame them," he said.

Over the past two weeks, The Associated Press has reached out to the governor's office and other officials to provide the names of Alabama residents who have taken immigrant jobs. Either they were not made available, or didn't want to speak publicly.

Brent Martin, an Alabama resident, started working on a tomato farm in an area northeast of Birmingham after the law was passed. On Thursday, he and two other Americans were clearing about 24,000 tomato stakes off a 4-acre plot. He said few Americans who would stick with it.

"There are plenty who could do it, but would they? I don't know about that. I don't see why they wouldn't as bad as the economy is right now," Martin said.

Relatively high unemployment rates – about 9 percent in the U.S. and 9.9 in Alabama – are not likely to push Americans toward farm work, said Demetrios Papademetriou, president and co-founder of the Migration Policy Institute. He suggested the problem may be more deeply rooted.

"This is a sector and an industry ... that a long time ago, going back to the 1940s and probably before that was abandoned," Papademetriou said. "It was abandoned to foreign workers."

Stan Eury, executive director of the North Carolina Growers Association, said location matters, too.

"Agriculture jobs are primarily in remote, rural areas. We see higher numbers of unemployed people in the big cities," he said.

Tomato farmer Wayne Smith said he has never been able to keep a staff of American workers in his 25 years of farming.

"People in Alabama are not going to do this," said Smith, who grows about 75 acres of tomatoes in the northeast part of the state. "They'd work one day and then just wouldn't show up again."

At his farm, field workers get $2 for every 25-pound box of tomatoes they fill. Skilled pickers can make anywhere from $200 to $300 a day, he said.

Unskilled workers make much less.

A crew of four Hispanics can earn about $150 each by picking 250-300 boxes of tomatoes in a day, said Jerry Spencer, of Grow Alabama, which purchases and sells locally owned produce. A crew of 25 Americans recently picked 200 boxes – giving them each $24 for the day.

It may make sense for some to sit on the couch. Unemployment benefits provide up to $265 a week while a minimum wage job, at $7.25 an hour for 40 hours, brings in $290.

Spencer said the Americans he has linked up with farmers are not physically fit and do not work fast enough.

"It's the harshest work you can imagine doing," Spencer said.

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Caldwell reported from Washington. Phillip Rawls in Montgomery also contributed to this report.

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spytheweb 11:18 AM on 10/21/2011
Don't be fooled by this story. Why can't non US citizen legal workers be hired? Because they want you to think that if US citizens won't hold these jobs the only way to go is with illegal labor. Hire  legal non US workers. Farmers don't want this because they would have to pay a legal wage and working hours with breaks within the law.

"First of all, agriculture is not a labor intensive business.  Read More...
10:05 AM on 11/14/2011
wake up, i read how a skilled farm hand in alabama, could make 200 to 300 dollars a day. in next line it said 4 workers workin together made 150 dollars each.the real thing here is the illegal working in the USA. pays no taxes,grts food stamps,free dental eye care . has no DL. for the car they drive, no insurance,who is really paying the bill here, the farmer, the illegal farm hand or you?
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susimar
frustrated and unemployed educator
10:51 AM on 11/14/2011
uh...sorry, farm boy, when you're illegal you don't have a SS card and won't qualify for things like food stamps or medicaid.

I know you've been listening to people that enjoy inciting anger in people like you..it's not your fault you think this way...

By the way, I'm pretty sure they pay sale's tax :)
11:00 PM on 11/16/2011
have you ever heard of fake id. your kids ss# someone who passed away, i said i grew up on a farm.not that i never left. i have Hispanic kin that pays for visa to be here. why because it is the law! thats all the law if you are going to do it,do it right.if you run a red light! you get a ticket. who pays you or tax payers? why get a visa or apply for citizenship.like i said no DL no INSURANCE, but will hang on to that sales tax at a whoppin 8,25 percent
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susimar
frustrated and unemployed educator
07:20 AM on 11/17/2011
So you have proof of one person that DOES follow the law and zero proof or personal knowledge of someone who DOESN'T follow the law.

When you've been given everything in life on a silver platter...it's hard for you to understand and it's not your fault.

Take some time to review the requirements for welfare, food stamps, and medicaid in Texas.

The farmer is the one doing the hiring of illegal immigrants, yet you are not upset with him/her?
02:07 PM on 11/18/2011
the farmer, i am one, start pay is only 8 dollars an hour, just touch more than you would mc donalds, yea hard work, but have no trouble finding help from hi school kids to old timers,who make twice that,they can read, so when they make up poison they dont kill cows,grass wildlife or the people there feeding, ive also work a small masonry co. for 32 years,had three guys on the same job with the same SS# how you think that happened we dont ask people to work for 3 cents a pound to pick crops or lay bricks,all i ask is go to the food stamp office, park on look at the hi dollar cars, trucks, the people drive that get food stamps. same thing for any place that takes medicaid,what language or they speaking,when they go in, the welfare offic is not the INS have a baby in texas now you have aSS# thats meets the reguirements. my kids didnt go to school for free. still have one in USMC fighting for me and you so we can say what we feel.NO silver platter here an yes i am upset with the ones that hire illegals and pay them little to do a lot. how do we fix this if nothing changes.
09:52 AM on 11/14/2011
if a skilled worker can make 200 or 300 a day, what happened when 4 skilled workers only made 150 each , when working together? come on america check the facts. the big deal here is they pay no taxes, they get foodstamps, because no record of how much money they made,free dental,eye care, no DL no ins. on auto they drive, who is really paying the bill? the farmer or the tax payer?
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chadizzy
12:43 PM on 10/27/2011
If 99% of crack dealers are non whites and we make it against the law to sell crack does that mean we are racist?
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Sean Myers
im a locksmith, and im a locksmith.
04:19 AM on 10/28/2011
that depends. does the punishment for this law against selling crack equate to a punishment for the equivalent amount sold in cocaine, which whites tend to use more frequently?
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hburns1351
I'm too old to be diplomatic
11:43 AM on 10/27/2011
What I think is most laughable is that the Alabama government actually thinks that American's will do these jobs willingly while at the same time the Alabama government thinks that anyone who does this kind of labor is a second class citizen. After all, what is the Republican mantra these days; if you aren't rich, blame yourself?
11:08 AM on 11/06/2011
No, that is Herman Cain's mantra.
04:59 PM on 10/26/2011
Alabama’s shame is the United States’ shame, and it has a familiar ring to it. What is the name of the shameful system that is emerging in Alabama? First, terrorize a racially or ethnically identified minority population. The terror did not begin with the passage of the law. The terror began with the first mention of its possibility. Then criminalize that population. Then put the “newly minted” criminals in prisons, and if those prisons could be private, as they will be in Alabama, all the better. Then, and here’s the kicker, when businesses, and in particular when farmers and contractors “discover” that the labor well has gone dry, provide them with prisoners, at rock bottom prices, of course. That’s what John McMillan, commissioner of the Alabama Department of Agriculture and Industries, suggested. The State is looking into short- and long-term solutions to the labor problem and is feeling “optimistic.”

Optimistic?

What is the name of that system of shame that Alabama is dutifully re-enacting? Some call it slavery, and perhaps they’re right. What would you call that shame, that shameful system, which haunts the United States?
09:25 PM on 10/26/2011
F&F number one.
09:30 PM on 10/26/2011
thank you !
02:58 AM on 10/29/2011
AMEN!~
06:06 PM on 10/25/2011
Migrant workers are new version of slaves........3rd world workers being paid 3rd world wages....with 3rd world conditions.......This and only This is the reason people defend Illegal Migrant workers........Get Out....Your making my country to familiar to 3rd world work conditions.
10:46 PM on 10/26/2011
Mexico is not by any stretch of the imagination a third world country, they have running water, sewage, education and health care systems. Are they as prosperous as the United States? No, but they are not third world. The migrant workers are not slaves either, no one owns them and they are free to come and go as they please. As far as pay goes two hundred dollars a day is about the same as a union laborer. yes they have no benefits. but would you like to explain how you provide benefits for some one who works for you a couple of months or likely less. As far as working conditions go, do you think they can air condition and carpet the fields, most agriculture is brutally hard work and there is no way around that.
I love unions and what they have done for working conditions in America and there are farm workers unions witch I also support,however the nature of the business is that it is very hard work that can not possibly be compensated well enough.
04:24 PM on 11/16/2011
If Mexico not 3rd world, they should stay there and improve it instead of coming here and dragging our wages down.
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PermanentVacancy
Those who do not move, do not notice their chains.
08:30 AM on 10/25/2011
Whatever happened to farmers bringing in their own crops. That's what family is for!! I am sure with the super tractors that they have today the farmers can manage to get crops in from the field.
09:18 AM on 10/25/2011
How cute, your only knowledge of agriculture comes from movies.
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PermanentVacancy
Those who do not move, do not notice their chains.
10:44 AM on 10/25/2011
My family lives in rural alabama and I own property there also. Guess you are WRONG....ha ha ha
11:38 PM on 10/24/2011
Most Americans have know idea what TOUGH! Is !
06:01 PM on 10/25/2011
Wrong ......Americans Dont like to be treated as slaves....Unlike most 3rd world countries and their workers.Mexico is a 3rd world country.Americans are TOUGH enough to have Strong Unions like the Teamsters, who changed the american work force forever....I Know My History....How bout you........JERK
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Sean Myers
im a locksmith, and im a locksmith.
04:28 AM on 10/28/2011
yeah. they're called "conservatives" and they never served in the military while being hawks in foreign policy, hate unions because they never had a job where the absence of one meant horrible pay and working conditions, and find ayn rand's writings appealing because they know deep down they are cowards who wish were braver.
11:12 AM on 11/06/2011
Don't confuse today's "Republican" with true conservatism. There is not much similarity.
09:48 PM on 10/24/2011
One of the hurdles in Americans doing this kind of work ( other than physical condition ) is that it is migratory. My experience with immigrant workers was, they would live at least eight to an apartment / van and travel wherever the best paying job was, sending most of the money home to their families. When the season was over they would return home where the cost of living was a lot less.
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zLala
03:35 PM on 10/24/2011
This is plain and simple truth. Good ol red-blooded Americans often do not have the drive, desire or pride to take jobs or pay that the Hispanics do. Then they sit around and talk about how much they hate immigrants. If you are so hell bent on keeping this country white and free or whatever, get yourself over to Arizona or Alabama and get to work!
01:05 PM on 10/24/2011
I used to manage a mid sized tree farm and nursery. I hired both American and immigrant workers, they were all paid the same (minimum wage plus various production bonuses). The American workers rarely kept up with the Hispanic employees or simply couldn't handle the conditions. The down side to the Hispanic workers was as soon as tomato or peach season came around they would all quite without warning to make a couple of dollars more.
02:31 PM on 10/24/2011
oops, quit
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hburns1351
I'm too old to be diplomatic
11:34 AM on 10/27/2011
Um, that's why they call them migrant workers.
12:01 PM on 10/27/2011
Um, yea I realize that it was just a pain when you had your day planned and two thirds of your employees don't show up.
11:44 AM on 10/24/2011
This is the same argument used to justify slavery. The argument was that farmers needed slavery. Communist use the same argument to justify their forced labor camps. Fascist justify debtors prisons and work prisons that same way.

It's a universal truth of oppressors that they must justify their class warfare in terms of "the greater good".

It sells well. Reading through these comments you find many who agree with the slave master. They agree with the communist. They want the government to dictate wages for some other worker so that the middle class and the rich "can survive". But this is how a nation falls into third world status. The middle class is declining as the lower class declines. The only winners are on Wall Street.
09:25 AM on 10/24/2011
My brothers and sisters in Alabama and Arizona:

Exodus Chapter 22, Verse 21
"You must not wrong or oppress and alien; you were yourselves aliens in Egypt. You must not wrong a widow or fatherless child. If you do, and they appeal to me, be sure that I shall listen; my anger anger will be roused and I shall kill you with the sword; your wives will become widows and your children fatherless."

It seems as though the bible is pretty clear on the issue, and you probably shouldn't have gone there.
02:19 PM on 10/27/2011
Almost every passage in the Bible can be manipulated to serve the purpose of the person quoting it.

For example: "Thou Shalt not steal".

You probably shouldn't have gone there.
alunsulen
Digging the liberal hatred!
09:11 AM on 10/24/2011
First, you said 'There are no takers for the jobs.' Now you say 'They aren't working that well.'
In a few weeks, things will be back to normal, except that US citizens will have work. The illegal dream has ended and the libs don't like it :)
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JShankel
I want my country forward
03:12 PM on 10/24/2011
No, far from it.  We're the ones who have been saying for YEARS that we should punish the companies that hire.  It's been conservatives saying "oh, heavens, no, musn't do anything to inconvenience the...JOB CREATORS!"

So here you are straight from a "lib": I fully support this law.  Absolutely states should make it very, very difficult to hire illegal immigrants.  As a liberal, I fully support the federal and state governments passing regulations making it more difficult for businesses to hire the cheapest, most qualified labor they can as well as laws forcing them to hire the less competent, more expensive workers who need jobs.

I'm behind this 100%.  This is absolutely a step in the right direction.

Why, I'll bet you the unemployment rate in Alabama is dropping below 8% as we speak.  Surely these jobs will be filled by the good, solid, conservative workers of Alabama who are currently out of work.

Yup, just any day now, those farm jobs will be snatched right up by the real Americans who have been so unfairly displaced by illegals.

Yup.  Just any day now.