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Hamid Karzai: Afghanistan Would Back Pakistan In U.S. War

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TAREK EL-TABLAWY   10/23/11 01:39 PM ET   AP

KABUL, Afghanistan — Afghan President Hamid Karzai has said if the United States and Pakistan ever went to war, his country would back Islamabad, drawing a sharp rebuke Sunday from Afghan lawmakers who claimed the country's top officials were adopting hypocritical positions.

The scenario is exceedingly unlikely and appears to be less a serious statement of policy than an Afghan overture to Pakistan, just days after Karzai and U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Islamabad must do more to crack down on militants using its territory as a staging ground for attacks on Afghanistan.

"If fighting starts between Pakistan and the U.S., we are beside Pakistan," Karzai said is an interview with private Pakistani television station GEO that aired Saturday. "If Pakistan is attacked and the people of Pakistan need Afghanistan's help, Afghanistan will be there with you."

He said that Kabul would not allow any nation, including the U.S., to dictate its policies.

Both Washington and Kabul have repeatedly said Pakistan is providing sanctuary to militant groups launching attacks in Afghanistan.

The comments set off a firestorm of criticism in the country. Afghan lawmakers argued they were particularly hypocritical coming just weeks after the assassination of former Afghan President Burhanuddin Rabbani by a suicide bomber.

While it is unclear who masterminded Rabbani's killing, the Afghan government has said it was planned in the Pakistani city of Quetta, the Taliban leadership's suspected base. In addition, the Afghan interior minister accused the Pakistani intelligence service of being involved – a claim that has not been substantiated.

"Pakistan has never been honest with Afghanistan, and the nation of Afghanistan will never forget those things that happen here" because of Pakistan, Shah Gul Rezaye, a lawmaker from Ghazni province told The Associated Press, citing Rabbani's death and other incidents of violence.

"They make deal with terrorists, and then with the international community ... to get $1 billion from the U.S. under the name of the struggle against terrorism," she said.

The U.S. Embassy in Kabul said it was up to the Afghan government to explain Karzai's remarks.

"This is not about war with each other," Embassy spokesman Gavin Sundwall told the AP. "This is about a joint approach to a threat to all three of our countries: insurgents and terrorists who attack Afghans, Pakistanis, and Americans."

Following her stop in Kabul, Clinton flew to Pakistan to deliver the blunt message that if Islamabad is unwilling or unable to take the fight to the al-Qaida and Taliban-linked Haqqani network operating from its border with Afghanistan, the U.S. "would show" them how to eliminate its safe havens.

Even so, she said the U.S. has no intention of deploying U.S. forces on Pakistani soil, and that the favored approach was one of reconciliation and peace – an effort that needed Islamabad's cooperation.

Pakistan has been reluctant to move more forcefully against the Haqqani, arguing such an act could spark a broader tribal war in the region.

While it weighs its options, NATO pressed ahead with its operations.

The U.S.-led coalition and Afghan forces on Saturday concluded two operations aimed at disrupting insurgent operations in Kabul, provinces south of the Afghan capital and along the eastern border with Pakistan – all places where the Haqqani network has launched attacks.

NATO did not release further details about the operations, but Army Lt. Col. Jimmie Cummings, a coalition spokesman, said Sunday that "a number of Haqqani affiliated insurgents plus additional fighters have been either detained or killed in the course of operations."

During her visit to Pakistan, Clinton said Haqqani fighters were among those killed and captured during the operations.

"Many dozens, if not into the hundreds, have been captured or killed on the Afghan side of the border," she said in Islamabad.

The push comes as NATO plans to pull out its combat forces by the end of 2014 and hand over full security responsibility to the Afghans.

But the attacks and assassination attempts continue.

In the latest such incident, bodyguards for Afghan Interior Minister Bismullah Khan Mohammadi shot and killed a would-be suicide bomber who was waiting for the minister's convoy Sunday in Sayyed Khel district of Parwan province, north of Kabul, the ministry said. The minister was not in the convoy at the time.

NATO also said three of its service members were killed separate clashes with insurgents in the south and east of the country. The coalition did not provide additional details, but the deaths, which occurred Saturday and Sunday, raised to 474 the number of NATO service members killed so far this year in Afghanistan.

Also, five villagers were killed while trying to remove a roadside mine planted by the Taliban in the western province of Herat, the provincial governor's spokesman, Mohyaddin Noori, said Sunday.

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Associated Press writers Amir Shah and Deb Riechmann in Kabul contributed to this report.

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07:21 AM on 10/26/2011
This is nothing more than self-preservation. He knows that the United States will be leaving soon so he has to say what he has to appease his neighbors and protect himself.
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Doug Sandlin
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06:18 PM on 10/25/2011
Karzai's comment might be a little more .... meaningful .... for people other than, say, himself, if it was made at a time when there weren't already 100,000 or so U.S. troops *in* Afghanistan.
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Patrick Fogarty
01:09 PM on 10/25/2011
Hamid Karzai's remarks though unexpected are an example of what we "can" expect . It is how the leaders of countries in that part of the World behave . Loyalty and honesty are "words only" and not something that we can expert in practice . It would not be likely that Karzai would defend us in and certainly not in front of Pakistani leadership . The enemy , meaning us , is not to expect any different kind of behavior from most of any of the Arab World . If we think for a moment that we will be installing a predictable and stable government in Afghanistan all we need to do is look back a few years at their history of conduct . Before we give any of these countries any more of our money we need to first write ourselves a hefty reality check .
06:57 PM on 10/25/2011
Well said Patrick!
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Buster Nitchski
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05:30 AM on 10/26/2011
"Looking back a few years at their history" could have saved us alot of time, money and lives. If the British couldn't win over the Afghani tribes with war in the 19th century (when Britain was still a 'superpower') and the Russians couldn't get anywhere in the late 70s early 80s (when they were a 'superpower'), whatever made us think we could get somewhere with them now?
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02:53 AM on 10/25/2011
Of Course. Blood is thicker than water.
02:19 AM on 10/25/2011
I just don't understand why we keep funding these idiots with or tax daollars because they promise peace that they have no intention of doing. My humble opinion is that we should come home and protect our borders and to hell with em. I spent a lot of time in that dessert wasteland, and I have yet to remember anything that would convince me to go back. I am tired of seeing my American brothers and sisters dieing for empty promises of peace. If we want the taliban then go after em with everything we got or come home. We will never win the hearts and minds of people who don't want to live our way of life.
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TheRightIsAnythingBut
Not illegal is not the same as not wrong
07:30 PM on 10/24/2011
To paraphrase what was said about France at the start of Bush's invasion of Iraq, "Going to war without Afghanistan is like going deer hunting without a violin."
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FiredUpRTG
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04:51 PM on 10/24/2011
What else could he say, with a disorganized country and Pakistan next door.
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04:23 PM on 10/24/2011
We can back India, if Pakistan and India ever go at it.

Ohiopositive if Pakistan and India ever go at it, I do believe that would take care of the whole problem.
12:01 PM on 11/08/2011
you must be indian..... always bringing india in different talks. always poking your nose.
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12:25 PM on 11/08/2011
What?

My reply to Ohiopositive was about if India and Pakistan ever go at it, they'll nuke each other and take out the arab region. Solving the US problem.

And how do you know I bring india in different talks, I didn't even know I did that.
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des946
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03:59 PM on 10/24/2011
Karzai NEVER was on the side of the USA . . . but even with his back turned against us, he still has his hand stretched out behind him soliciting American support DOLLARS.

Hasn't the U.S. government ever learned from their early experiences with trying to buy Fidel Castro and other despotic dictators, that you can never buy their support . . .
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ruolivert
07:04 PM on 10/24/2011
I keep hearing people say "Haven't they learned their lesson yet" when it comes to foreign policy and I keep thinking "of course they have." These are smart people who, supposedly, repeatedly do dumb thing. Either that person is really not smart OR they are doing exactly what they want to do. I'm not so inclined to believe that the people in our government are that stupid since that really and indictment on the American population. The answer probably lies somewhere in between
03:51 PM on 10/24/2011
I like what Embassy spokesman Gavin Sundwall had to say, that fighting stateless terrorism isn't about war between nations. Or at least, it shouldn't be.

We need to simply launch very limited, focused specialist strikes agains terrorists who TRULY have attacked or are PLANNING to attack American targets, regardless of the national sovereignty of the territories from which they operate. Battling the forces of the sovereign power ought to be restricted purely to repelling any attempt to thwart our operations, period. It should not expand to defeating that nation's military and overthrowing that nation's government, as it did in Afghanistan, resulting in an endless and thorougly corrupt occupation.

But of course, these military excursions are never straightforward and alway involve s a mixed bag of motives, especially when it comes to regions sitting atop oceans of petroleum resources.
02:26 AM on 10/25/2011
That is a great plan, but what about the governments that are supporting the terrorist activities. It just isn't that easy. As a former Marine, it just doesn't work like brain surgery, there has to be a certain amount of fear instilled in the government and the general public to force their support. They know that when we are done and pack up and go home it will only be worse on them. I don't like it any more than anyone else, but it is a very messy buisness.
03:34 PM on 10/24/2011
His brother or brother in law traveled with 52 million in cash to another Arab nation and no one blinked an eye. 12 billion in cash disappeared in Iraq and no one ostensibly knows where that went.

These people are almost as corrupt as the banks, wall street and the politicians here.
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Bytown
One way or the other!!
03:31 PM on 10/24/2011
To be a fly on the wall.
I've just gotta know, what exactly did Hillary Clinton say to Hamid Karzai the other day?
Not what's being reported by our media.
03:26 PM on 10/24/2011
Always on the brink of war...
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03:25 PM on 10/24/2011
Wow, that changes everything with the mighty afghan army we should be very scared! What a joke, Karzai wouldn't last a month once we leave. Take this whole armpit of the world area out and the world would be better for it.