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Money Donated To Occupy Wall Street Brings Much Needed Supplies And Tension

Occupy Wall Street

First Posted: 10/24/11 08:43 PM ET Updated: 12/24/11 05:12 AM ET

NEW YORK -- The Occupy Wall Street movement, born of anger over how the spoils of the American economy are divided, is now confronting its own wrenching financial conflict: how to divvy up the nearly $500,000 the group has raised via donations.

In recent days, the protesters have had heated arguments over whether to make the distribution of money more efficient and how much to devote to long-term infrastructure development in Zuccotti Park, generating worries that a movement created in the name of broader representation could fracture over how to live under it.

The finance working group -- one of approximately 30 committees that have sprung up since the movement's inception -- serves as Occupy Wall Street's bookkeeping center and has become a key focal point of the debate.

In the first month, $485,000 was donated by roughly 8,000 individual, anonymous donors, who gave through the Occupy Wall Street website and in donation boxes around the park. Only $66,000 has been spent, causing some to accuse the finance group of stockpiling funds.

The group has no decision-making power of its own -- that responsibility lies with the daily General Assembly -- but protesters often treat the group as if it determines funding, making it a scapegoat for rising tension as an anti-capitalist group is suddenly flooded with capital.

Most of the daily financial expenditure goes to food and medical needs, the costs of keeping the rotating group of two to three hundred people sleeping in the park dry and fed and healthy. But when it comes to making longer-term -- or larger-scale -- purchases, consensus is often beyond reach.

The question of money has become so contentious that the General Assembly is considering relinquishing the power of the purse. All working groups have an automatically available budget of $100 a day, handed out by the finance group. The General Assembly determines who receives additional funding.

The fights over financing are as varied as the protesters' reasons for protesting. Should the library buy the cheapest tables available or more sturdy, durable ones? Should the funds be spent on infrastructure in Manhattan or to help Occupy movements across the U.S.? Should all the money be converted to an alternative currency like Bitcoin? Should individual groups be able to keep their own donations, or should they continue to funnel it to the communal war chest?

"The vast majority of the people here don't understand how money works," said Pete Dutro, a core member of the finance group who spends five hours a day in Zuccotti Park handling petty cash requests and handing out money for General Assembly- approved expenditures. "But we have real financial needs. Not everyone wants to barter and trade."

Every night the group, made up of six core members and a handful of other advisers, retires offsite to count the day's donations. The money is then deposited in the Broadway branch of the Amalgamated Bank, a union-owned bank. Occupy Wall Street has also registered for 501(c)(3) status, with the Alliance for Global Justice, a D.C.-based grassroots organization, serving as the movement's fiscal sponsor.

Dutro, a 36-year-old finance student at New York University currently on leave from classes and the former manager of a tattoo parlor, didn't want to get involved with the finance group, but he saw that his experience handling money and running a business could be useful.

As Monday's line forms in front of Dutro -- and the envelope of petty cash -- tensions run high. A young woman from the arts and culture working group needs $3,000 to buy supplies for a planned Halloween protest. The funds were approved last Friday, but she hasn't been able to get her hands on the cash yet. Dutro says he cannot give her the money until tomorrow.

"We need the money today," the woman says, with a rising note of hysteria in her voice.

"I will take care of you," responds Dutro, who is wearing clear-framed glasses and a hoodie, skull and spider tattoos peaking out beneath his cuffs and around his neck. "I'm only human."

"I understand that," she says.

"I'm glad you do," he counters, "Because a lot of people here don't."

Tensions over how quickly the money can be obtained pale when compared to tensions over who receives it.

"I don't think [the finance group] takes us seriously. I think they think we're just a bunch of people making noise," said Demetrius Subayar, who was hitting a cow bell on Monday afternoon at the west end of the park with the rest of the drumming group Pulse. The members of Pulse have grown so frustrated with the finance group and the General Assembly that they are now holding on to their own donations, according to Subayar.

"Some groups, they don't understand that they can't just use the money that gets donated to them," said Victoria Sobel, 23, a Cooper Union student on leave from her classes. Sobel started the finance group back in September when it became obvious that a communal pot of money was needed to buy food. "They say, 'Well, I just got all this money today. Now I have to give it to finance and then go ask for it back?' I've tried to explain the danger of this -- it's a black hole," she said.

The library working group also chose to handle its own financial transactions for a period of time, Sobel said. After significant tension, the group has since rejoined the flock.

The finance group is currently in the process of posting all financial transactions online, and Dutro said they are looking for an independent auditor to comb through the bookkeeping. But the real problem, as those on the committee see it, is not with the bookkeeping operation but with the General Assembly, which has stalled in its ability to win general approval for the allocation of large sums of money.

"Financial decisions, they're really bottle-necked right now," Sobel continued. She noted that she has stepped back from the group to focus on her real passion, live-streaming media. Sobel herself is the recipient of the largest single sum for a project: $25,000 for streaming media equipment.

"The General Assembly doesn't work, and that all comes back to the issue of money," she said. "There is a real issue with having to go to a public that doesn't necessarily have the context to understand a purchase."

The latest proposal for managing Occupy Wall Street, which will be revisited this week, is designed to circumvent some of the problems over finance. The proposed "spokes council," which would supplement the General Assembly, would meet to make crucial financial decisions and handle other in-house business.

But some in Zuccotti Park feel ambivalent about the very notion of a well-funded Occupy Wall Street.

"Money has been a profoundly distracting force," said Leo Eisenstein, 23, unemployed and a member of the facilitation group, which assists with the General Assembly. "Do we need money to sustain the movement? We have it. I would have loved to have that conversation before the money started rolling in."

Reporter Matt Sledge contributed to this report.

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NEW YORK -- The Occupy Wall Street movement, born of anger over how the spoils of the American economy are divided, is now confronting its own wrenching financial conflict: how to divvy up the nearly ...
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den1953 11:19 AM on 10/25/2011
We are our brothers keeper if Washington and Wall Street won't do it , it's up to the American people to watch out for others in any way it can be done, if the cities can't afford to clean up neighborhoods the American people can, people need jobs but for the time being maybe Americans can barter for what ever is needed. Maybe even start a handyman business for a few buck her or there is better then waiting  Read More...
12:21 PM on 11/05/2011
We're not anti-capitalist. At least, most of us are not. We're (for the most part) against how the volume of one's voice, or perhaps the degree to which the government listens to it, is determined by money. Our needs are not assessed on a 1:1 ratio, with one person counting as one. Instead, our needs are measured by our money. Congress makes decisions based on themselves and the highest bidder. The needs (wants, really) of the people who can pay the most are the needs that are addressed.
It's not necessarily a problem within the corporations. It's kind of their job to be greedy, underhanded and corrupt; we expect it from them. But our government is supposed to be the voice of the people, making decisions free of corruption.
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08:33 AM on 11/02/2011
What is the difference between Wall Street money and ows money? If these goombas weren't so set on living the communal way they would see that what they are doing is exactly the same as wall street. Money in-money out. Wall street is not a living thing. It is people who invest their money trying to make a living. Sometimes they get some back, sometimes they don't. Anybody can invest in wall street, it is not an exclusive club. Every person protesting gets money, directly or indirectly from wall street investors, every person. The more well-off people got their money from there and some are living off the "profits" from mommy and daddy. Money is the root of everything. This silly protest is a waste of time and effort. Nothing will change and people will go home with their tails tucked between their legs.
12:27 PM on 11/05/2011
The difference is #OWS money is not being used to buy congressmen. #OWS money is not being used to deafen the government to the voice of its people.
The issue is not profits, or corporations, or capital it's the corrupt congressmen who take millions in bribes and vote in the interest of their primary funders instead of those they are meant to represent.
07:43 AM on 10/29/2011
I find it interesting to read through the comments of those that point out crimes and criminals as justification that the movement is false and infer that the protests should be shut down. Guess what? It is known that criminals tend to go where the crowds are. I bet that a certain number of TP participants were cheating on their wives and some may be guilty of tax evasion. I doubt that right-wingers would have any less respect for the TP because of that. To me it is the same if criminals crash these rallies. That fact is not a negative statement about the protests.
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08:41 AM on 11/02/2011
You people are the ones who keep pointing out that people take guns to the Tea Party rallys. You act holier than thou and think that your cause is better than ours. Of course criminals follow the crowds. If the media were not so closed minded and report items correctly they would point out that ows occupiers carry guns also. Good on them, it is their "right" to do so. Are you saying that none of the ows occupiers cheat on the "wives" or evade taxes? I can assure you that some of the ows wives/gf cheat on their husbands/bf and evade taxes.
12:37 PM on 11/05/2011
I think that was his/her point, actually. That all groups have their "crimes and criminals", and just as that was not a determining factor in the validity of TP, it is not a determining factor in #OWS. If you actually read the post, you'd get that. And actually a lot of TP are part of #OWS.
"I find it interestin­g to read through the comments of those that point out crimes and criminals as justificat­ion that the movement is false and infer that the protests should be shut down. "
Let's have an equal playing field. If faux "news" is going to criticize one group over something, do it equally amongst all the groups. But that would entail actual journalism instead of the ongoing opinion piece it has become.
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theexperimentisfinished
02:06 AM on 10/29/2011
OWS...the gift that keeps giving. Thanks for the laughs. I hope this goes on for ever. The lessons these people will learn as they attempt to organize will be priceless.
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saileyboy
living on land sucks
05:03 AM on 10/27/2011
Spend it on guns. We're going to need them.
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JPMac
04:08 PM on 10/26/2011
So they now have their own 1% that is controlling the money and telling the 99% what they will let them have!! Heard a guy that was part the committee that gets blankets and tarps for these people say he collected over a grand but kept over 600 because what he was going to be given was not enough!! Fraud and abuse of the system soo early into their fail experiement!!

Wow it only took a couple months to realize socialism does not work..maybe some of these people will see this as a learning experience when they grow up!!
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Marisa Stein
~I solemly swear that I am up to no good~
04:36 PM on 10/26/2011
socialism works well in theory but not in real life..if they have any questions they can look at Fidel Castro and Cuba..it started out ok but went downhill pretty damn quick.
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maigesheng
04:25 PM on 10/29/2011
The US has nothing to do with Cuba's troubles, eh?
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Amin Khad
11:42 PM on 10/29/2011
Socialism doesn't work well in theory either. It's about forcing others to live a certain way.
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MerthinBuff
04:57 PM on 10/26/2011
English comprehension seems to be a problem for you, it seems getting a majority of the people to decide what to spend the money on is the problem. You were completely wrong in your understanding of the article.
08:41 PM on 10/26/2011
Explain how his comprehension was lacking. The things he described have happened at these protests. These protesters have irony down to a science. They believe private property is "stealing," unless said property is their own. I got a particular chuckle at that girl who was complaining that her $5500 Apple laptop was stolen. Did she ever consider that the person who stole it might not be able to afford a laptop? I mean, everything is supposed to be fair, right?

The real point is that, if everything is supposed to be fair, then there should not be anyone complaining about how they deserve a larger slice of the donated money pie. Of course, anyone with any sense at all knows life will never be fair. But, that fact seems to have escaped these do-nothings.
KnoxScott
whatever
01:18 PM on 10/26/2011
they don't understand money because half of them have probably never EARNED any..
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Jesster
02:18 PM on 10/26/2011
Do you REALLY believe that?

Or are you just like Rick Perry and think it's funny or good for a "distractive" laugh?
KnoxScott
whatever
02:48 PM on 10/26/2011
Yes i do, they don't want to earn, they want to be given...They cant even protest the right people or in the right city..They should be protesting the gov for making the rules and protesting in Harlem @ Clinton's office who deregulated the banks and wall-street to begin with...
08:15 PM on 11/13/2011
I don't agree with you saying they never had it because if they never did they wouldn't no to protest what they are no longer getting. Though I do believe in Capitalism in the history of our little world has done the best. As Winston Churchill, once said The vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. No I dislike Winston Churchill but he is right this time.
The thing is America was a place where though you may be down at the buttom you didn't have to stay there at the buttom. That will a little bit of genius and a lot of hard work. You could pull yourself up out of the gutter and into a nice house with a roof four walls. No one telling what you should do apart from a potential wife and children.
That doesn't happen any more thats mostly because we've gotten lazy. Having everything given to us will do that. Or to whom much is given much is desired. I can understand these people at the same time I can honestly say this isn't the American way. You can bitch and complain and nothing will happen. Or they could start some company these Occupiers can do something to change it and make a profit out of it. As John D Rockefeller said make the best out of a bad situation.
11:16 AM on 10/26/2011
Why are they confused as to how to divvy it up? If there are 1,200 protesters there, then $500,000 divided by 1,200... that's what they are fighting for, total "fairness", no? Let them practice what they preach. And just WHERE are the keeping this money? In an EVIL financial institution? This is TOO funny.
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Jesster
02:09 PM on 10/26/2011
I bet you get a REAL kick out of refugee camps too.
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Marisa Stein
~I solemly swear that I am up to no good~
04:38 PM on 10/26/2011
you don't find the Irony funny?
04:57 PM on 10/26/2011
WHAT are you TALKING about!?
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JPMac
06:29 PM on 10/26/2011
Yes but then the people that are actually clean the park, cooking the food, drumming up donations would get the same as those that do nothing all day, like that guy that c%aped on cop car ect...now how is that "fair"!!!
06:33 PM on 10/26/2011
They'd love it, socialism at it's best, the workers who do it all will give their share to the ones who do nothing all day. Hey, the guy that did his business on a cop car probably would want extra...
The irony of this OWS story is amazing, isn't it?
08:18 AM on 10/26/2011
They could spend the money on buying soap and having a good shower
After this if they are left with some money, they can use it on buying disinfectant to spray around their tents....
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JubalTHarshaw
Just Passing Through...
06:03 AM on 10/26/2011
"The vast majority of the people here don't understand how money works," said Pete Dutro, a core member of the finance group..." No kidding. That single quote underscores one of the major problems with this "occupation." When you don't understand what you are fighting against, its pretty hard to fight for something to change it or replace it with something better.
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intolleft
ObamaCare...getting you shovel ready
08:14 AM on 10/26/2011
That single statement underscores exactly the reason so many Americans are in debt.
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Jesster
02:14 PM on 10/26/2011
I guess not making enough money (getting paid enough) to pay for all of your basic needs - not to mention such out of reach luxuries as health care - has nothing to do with either the debt crisis or the OWS protests...?
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Hysterian68
bureaucrat/historian/ranter
01:18 AM on 10/26/2011
Occupiers need to be focusing on punishing bankers and businesses. Otherwise, they're just belly aching bourgeoisie. Bankers continue to sneer and rake in their dividends while the middle class toast marshmallows and carve jack-o-lanterns in Central Park.
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JubalTHarshaw
Just Passing Through...
06:08 AM on 10/26/2011
Perhaps they need take a basic civics course and focus their anger on Washington where the decisions that actually impact their lives are made. "punishing the bankers and businesses?" Is that some silly reincarnation of the failed economic theories of Marx, Engels and Lenin? The mewling of the petulant in the wrong place at the wrong time is a social phenomenon that is a fading news story but an ineffective method for the implementation of social change. As an aside, the vast majority of those “occupying” fit quite firmly into the “bourgeoisie” class you seemingly despise.
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Jondrea Smith
untied dog in a dogmatic society
09:37 AM on 10/26/2011
http://occupydc.org/
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Hysterian68
bureaucrat/historian/ranter
04:22 PM on 10/26/2011
"Perhaps they need take a basic civics course and focus their anger on Washington where the decisions that actually impact their lives are made. "punishing the bankers and businesses­?" Is that some silly reincarnat­ion of the failed economic theories of Marx, Engels and Lenin? The mewling of the petulant in the wrong place at the wrong time is a social phenomenon that is a fading news story but an ineffectiv­e method for the implementa­tion of social change. As an aside, the vast majority of those “occupying­” fit quite firmly into the “bourgeois­ie” class you seemingly despise"
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You miss the point. Marx has nothing to do with it. You're just spouting traditional neo-fascist and "bourgeois" claptrap.

The entire banking and business community are in bed together. Congress is in the hands of this class of banking highwaymen and corporate pigs sitting on trillions waiting for Obama to fall.

Destroy the power of the bankers and their allies through state prosecutions, then it makes sense to go to Washington to have your protestations aired and translated into reforms. Otherwise, it's a waste of time.
12:30 AM on 10/26/2011
Can not wait until the people working the hardest to get that money start receiving the least back, welcome to the grown up world.
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tj101
Hata ukinichukia la kweli nitakwambia
12:56 AM on 10/26/2011
Is that supposed to be English?
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JubalTHarshaw
Just Passing Through...
06:10 AM on 10/26/2011
Actually it is Current American Economics, expressed in English...
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Always Conservative
Shovel ready was not....
12:05 AM on 10/26/2011
The most hilarious thing in the world is watching anarchists trying to organize!!! Well, that and mid get wrestling....
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tj101
Hata ukinichukia la kweli nitakwambia
12:58 AM on 10/26/2011
Classy!
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IT1579
11:24 PM on 10/25/2011
If they had $1 million their heads would explode. The infighting is hilarious as it is.
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tj101
Hata ukinichukia la kweli nitakwambia
10:52 AM on 10/26/2011
You know what's even more hilarious?

People on this thread criticizing OWS when they've never even heard of Demand-side economics......
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Sandy248
11:07 PM on 10/25/2011
I knit and crochet and send my afghans to charity. Will Occupy want any?
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Carolab
Walking an 87-year-old in the sand isn't easy
11:18 PM on 10/25/2011
Certainly, they are stocking up for winter months.
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Sandy248
02:18 PM on 10/26/2011
Thanks.