More

Georgia Bible Classes: Public High Schools See Drop In Enrollment

Public Bible Class

By DORIE TURNER   10/26/11 06:24 PM ET   AP

ATLANTA -- In 2006, Georgia became the first state to allow Bible education classes in public schools, after much debate over the sticky issue of separation of church and state. Now the classes are dwindling for a far more tangible reason: money.

Superintendents say interest has waned in the once-controversial classes and schools don't have the money to pay for courses with only a few students enrolled. What's more, budget cuts mean it now takes more students to fill up a class than ever before – some classes need more than 25 enrolled before they are considered affordable.

"We're not going to utilize a teacher for a whole period with 10 to 15 students. In the past, we may have considered that, but with the economy being the way it is, we just can't afford to do that," said Columbia County schools Superintendent Charles Nagle, who has cut the Bible classes from three to one in his tiny district.

Since Georgia's law passed five years ago, four states – Texas, Tennessee, South Carolina and Oklahoma – have adopted similar measures, but none track the classes like Georgia does. Officials in those states say they simply approve the curriculum and leave it up to local districts to decide whether to offer the classes.

Though data are scant in other states, national experts say Georgia is not alone.

The economy is taking a toll on how many schools consider offering Bible classes because it's difficult to find qualified teachers and set aside the funding for the textbook and materials, said Sarah Jenislawski, executive director for the Virginia-based Bible Literacy Project, which has sold its textbook to more than 500 schools in 43 states.

Before the laws passed, most schools would have been concerned about whether the classes are legal, but now the main objection is money, Jenislawski said.

"Sometimes, instead of taking one year, it might take two or three" years to establish the classes, she said. "They're having trouble keeping the lights on and keeping the air conditioner running."

Other states like Alabama have stopped short of adopting laws but still provide the curriculum in schools. Hundreds of public schools across the country offer voluntary Bible courses to students even though their state doesn't have a law specifically addressing the issue.

The laws help provide cover for districts worried about being sued and encourage schools that might not otherwise consider the classes to begin offering Bible elective courses.

In Georgia, just 21 middle and high schools in 16 districts – a fraction of the 180 school districts in the state – offered the voluntary classes last school year, the latest data available. That's compared to 48 districts offering the classes four years ago.

Some of that drop-off is due to students having little time in their class schedules for elective courses because they have to repeat the state's new, tougher math courses or need an Advanced Placement class to help with college admissions, educators said.

"When we first started offering it was new and kids had interest in taking the class," said superintendent Bill McCowan, whose Gordon County, Ga., district has two high schools. "We've expanded our elective offerings in social studies and history to include more Advanced Placement coursework. There's only so much student head count to go around."

Critics worried that the law would lead to students being force-fed religion and open schools to lawsuits. Under the law, the classes must be taught "in an objective and non-devotional manner with no attempt made to indoctrinate students."

But those lawsuits have not materialized, mostly because Georgia and other states have found ways to ensure their Bible courses follow legal guidelines, said Charles Haynes, a senior scholar at the First Amendment Center who researches religious liberty.

"A lot of the courses that are being offered right now are gray-area cases," said Haynes. "It really takes a lot of investigation to make sure it's a clear violation."

Some parents say they wish their districts had the Bible classes because children need to know how influential the text has been on literature and pop culture.

"We need to bring that back into the schools because kids now, the new generation, just has so many issues," said Wendy Labat, whose son is an eighth-grader in Clayton County, which has never offered the Bible electives. "Whether you believe in God or not, it's still the word of God and kids need to have that experience."

___

FOLLOW HUFFPOST EDUCATION

ATLANTA -- In 2006, Georgia became the first state to allow Bible education classes in public schools, after much debate over the sticky issue of separation of church and state. Now the classes are dw...
ATLANTA -- In 2006, Georgia became the first state to allow Bible education classes in public schools, after much debate over the sticky issue of separation of church and state. Now the classes are dw...
Filed by Emmeline Zhao  | 
 
 
  • Comments
  • 62
  • Pending Comments
  • 0
  • View FAQ
Comments are closed for this entry
View All
Favorites
Recency  | 
Popularity
Page: 1 2  Next ›  Last »  (2 total)
photo
OliverTwist
Contrarian advocate for truth and justice
08:33 PM on 10/30/2011
A good course to follow readings from Plato, Aristotle, and other ancient philosophers, as well as readings on relevant cultural history up to and beyond the time of Constantine.
08:52 PM on 10/30/2011
This is a good idea to have a philosophy class in public education but most educators who are trained in this field won't work in public education. Also, I think you're missing the point of the article here. Philosophy is something that is often taught at the college level as a course of interest and the people who normally teach it cost a lot of money. Do you honestly think states are willing to pay a philosophy teacher the same amount colleges pay theirs? Philosophical books are too expensive too have you been to a book store lately?
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
loveis22984
ah wah wrong wi yah
08:27 PM on 10/30/2011
My biggest problem with the term liberal is it is seen as the anti-God movement.
08:53 PM on 10/30/2011
That's what I've been getting from this too... This is the not the liberalism in the early 20th Century.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
pakaal
Pigs, in cages, on antibiotics
08:22 PM on 10/30/2011
"Whether you believe in God or not, it's still the word of God and kids need to have that experience."

Logic FAIL.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Imichael
11:57 PM on 10/30/2011
No you are wrong. God gave us free will. They do not have to experience it from the hands of another. We can leave that to Mom or dad
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
pakaal
Pigs, in cages, on antibiotics
02:45 PM on 10/31/2011
I think you've misunderstood me. The statement "Whether you believe or not it's still the word of God," is logically flawed. It's like saying "Whether you like Lady Gaga or not, she's still the best singer ever." It's a belief, not a fact.

For the statement about the word of God to be true, one must first accept that the Bible is literally the word of God, and that is a belief, not a fact.

Those who believe in the Bible as the literal word of God are welcome to do so, our country provides us with that freedom. But they should not feel free to tell others that what they believe is fact, since it's incorrect. Not to mention arrogant and insulting.
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
photo
11:20 PM on 10/29/2011
"Public High Schools See Drop In Enrollment"
Even public school kids find 600 year old giants hard to swallow....
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Eric Mann
Do you want to be on the opposite side of Progress
10:24 PM on 10/29/2011
WHERE IS THE CLASS BASED ON THE GOSPEL OF THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER! I DEMAND A CLASS TO FIT MY NARROW RELIGIOUS BELIEFS JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE HAS!
photo
OliverTwist
Contrarian advocate for truth and justice
08:36 PM on 10/30/2011
It's a 30 minute slide show. Done.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Eric Mann
Do you want to be on the opposite side of Progress
09:09 PM on 10/30/2011
No way, there's a WHOLE BOOK about it. It could be a whole year long class!
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Ex-Fed
11:52 AM on 10/28/2011
What about Vikings? I want them all taught about the great Norse Gods as well. Either all or none. This is blatantly unconstitutional.
photo
OliverTwist
Contrarian advocate for truth and justice
08:37 PM on 10/30/2011
A very good idea.
12:24 AM on 10/28/2011
There is merit in having religious classes in school, if even these classes only involve the historical aspect of religion. In fact the holy books, viz the Bible, the Koran and the Gita and others should be studied in the History and English literature classes. This education would serve as an understanding of the various beliefs that people adopt in the pursuit of life. It would help us understand the differences amongst the various people with regards to the religion that they pursue and probably we would begin to understand and tolerate each other somewhat.
08:54 PM on 10/30/2011
This is a good idea we can call it, "Introduction to Religion" but unfortunately this takes education reform... How's that going? Congress upsets me...
photo
HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
Oonagh
Old sins have long shadows
11:45 PM on 10/27/2011
If you want your children to have Bible classes... go to church. School is supposed to be for the three R's.. no wonder our children are failing.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
maria romero
07:24 AM on 10/28/2011
Teaching our children the Bible is a parents duty, they are our responsiblity not the school systems they go to school to learn history, science, reading, math and other subjects they can't learn at home.
photo
HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
Oonagh
Old sins have long shadows
02:47 PM on 10/28/2011
I agree, there is a time and a place for everything and public school is not the place to have any religion..
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Norm K
09:37 PM on 10/27/2011
"We need to bring that back into the schools because kids now, the new generation, just has so many issues," said Wendy Labat, whose son is an eighth-grader in Clayton County, which has never offered the Bible electives. "Whether you believe in God or not, it's still the word of God and kids need to have that experience."

Really? Whether you believe in God or not, this book is his word? SO CLOSE to logic, and yet SO FAR.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
imokit
my mama taught me not call nasty people names!
06:21 AM on 10/29/2011
I was about to comment on the same thing :)
photo
OliverTwist
Contrarian advocate for truth and justice
08:46 PM on 10/30/2011
Her comment clearly reflected what she believed was the true at the time. It is hard to know how deep her beliefs go and how regularly they influence her everyday actions. Humans are true only sometimes creatures - not true false all the time creatures. We utilize situational logic. She may have the soul of a merchant or the morals of a sailor in other circumstances.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
rewith85man
08:45 PM on 10/27/2011
Bible classes may be unnecessary to some public schools but they should exist so that people can show more respect to God.

I think that this is the solution for most public schools doing poorly or so.
photo
HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
Oonagh
Old sins have long shadows
11:52 PM on 10/27/2011
Bible classes are for religious schools not public schools...
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
photo
12:35 AM on 10/30/2011
I'm a bit mystified why learning "respect to god" would necessarily help academics, let alone attitude or morality. It is often assumed, but seems to be counter to all evidence.
HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
JScott
John Galt's last name is McGuffin-Smithee
11:30 AM on 10/27/2011
Yup take that evangelfundies, people are that interested as much as you.
11:12 AM on 10/27/2011
Really? Really? Are we going here again? Time to call in the fed on this...next they will be mandating students to be fluent in bible reading while boasting deplorable math scores.
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
09:47 AM on 10/27/2011
This is ridiculous! Trying to get children to read the Holy Bible under the guise of "history" or "culture" or "literature". The real intent is proselytizing, so they need to be honest about that.

Teaching the Holy Bible is fine in private schools, but definitely NOT in public schools. I'm a Christian and absolutely object to this. Public money should not be used to support any religion. If the Holy Bible is taught, then they better make room for The Book of Mormon, the Koran, whatever the Wiccans teach, and any other religion or belief that can be called part of history, culture, literature, or any other rationale.

People who think it's important to teach the Holy Bible for culture, literature or any other reason can have those classes at their churches or even in their homes if they think it's that important. What they are trying to do, though, is take over what is the job of the Holy Spirit--to bring people to Christ. They can even have clubs after school, in the school, to teach those things if they choose, but to use public money, on public school time is something that should not be allowed.
10:15 AM on 10/27/2011
Really, I don't have a problem with teaching the Bible in school so long as it's taught as a work of literature, and it's acknowledged that a majority of people in the world would consider it to be "fiction." But I do agree that the class would be much better if other religions' scriptures were also studied, to provide some opportunity for comparison.

Of course, as I said below, I think it's rarely taught that way. Usually, I suspect it's publicly funded Sunday school, and that's unconstitutional.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Norm K
08:40 PM on 10/27/2011
Well, on behalf of my fellow Wiccans, and "whatever [we] teach", thanks. I guess.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Conuly
01:37 PM on 10/29/2011
*grin*
09:32 AM on 10/27/2011
I don't mind if schools allow reading of the Bible as long as they teach it for what it is, FICTION.
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
09:49 AM on 10/27/2011
The Word of God is not fiction, but it should not be taught in public schools unless it's outside of regular school time in a club, or similar gathering, of people who are willing to volunteer to teach it.
photo
HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
benji85
10:27 AM on 10/27/2011
It's hard to say it is factually the "Word of God," especially when there are three religions based off the same supernatural being, and that the Bible itself is actually a collection of various prophets decided upon by the what was essentially the political leadership of an empire.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
bahkey
10:37 AM on 10/27/2011
Dr Seuss is more beneficial.
06:59 AM on 10/27/2011
"Whether you believe in God or not, it's still the word of God," Wendy Labat said erroneously. (ftfy)
photo
OliverTwist
Contrarian advocate for truth and justice
09:01 PM on 10/30/2011
It makes sense taken from her perspective. Imagine that she had said, "Whether a man sees sun light or not, the sun still shines."