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Occupy Wall Street Gets A Vote Of Approval, And A Warning, From Community Board 1

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First Posted: 10/26/11 01:05 AM ET Updated: 12/25/11 05:12 AM ET

NEW YORK -- The community board that represents the area surrounding Zuccotti Park voted resoundingly in favor of Occupy Wall Street's right to free assembly on Monday night, subduing concerns that quality of life issues like drumming would turn residents against protesters.

But even as Community Board 1 passed its symbolic resolution supporting "Occupy Wall Street's ... First Amendment right to protest" and opposing "the use of excessive and unnecessary force by the City of New York" against the protesters, members of the board hinted that there were limits to their patience about the movement's enforcement of its own "good neighbor policy."

"There's never a timeline on the right to protest," the community board chair, Julie Menin, told HuffPost before the vote.

"At the same time," Menin added, "our resolution recognizes that there are people and small businesses that live and work right next to the site."

U.S. Rep. Jerrold Nadler, State Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, Manhattan Borough President Scott Stringer, State Sen. Daniel Squadron and City Council Member Margaret Chin immediately released a joint statement hailing the resolution as laying out a "clear path" to solving the contentious sanitary and noise issues the camp in the park has created.

"It's our role to take this framework and make it a reality, quickly," Squadron told HuffPost.

Menin said it wasn't just protesters who were causing headaches -- it was also the police, who have deployed barricades all over Lower Manhattan. The New York City Police Department did not immediately return a request for comment.

Menin also criticized Mayor Bloomberg and the owner of Zuccotti Park, Brookfield Office Properties, for not attending the community board's meetings.

"The city and Brookfield have both been absent, and in my opinion that's no way to have a dialogue," she said.

At a press conference on Monday, Bloomberg said he believed Occupy Wall Street was "deliberately designed" to operate without leadership, "so in terms of negotiating with somebody, there is nobody that speaks for the protesters."

Before the community board's overwhelming 33 -3 vote, several members of the public made pointed comments about the protesters' impact on their daily lives, their businesses and their property values.

Brian Copp, a 56-year-old who lives in the Frank Gehry-designed residential tower on Spruce Street, told the board that the resolution was "shocking" and "misguided." By passing it, he argued, the board was "really encouraging this neighborhood back to its marginal status that it had after 9/11."

He and others who spoke noted that the constant marches, seemingly incessant drumming, and lack of sanitary facilities in Zuccotti Park have conspired to make daily life for those who live or work nearby more difficult.

One skeptical board member quipped that the never-ending construction site that is the World Trade Center is annoying, but "even jackhammers stop occasionally."

Jason O'Brien, the owner of the Trinity Place Bar and Restaurant facing the park, said he was "not against what these people are about," but said, "I'm kind of the sacrificial lamb, I feel, along with the other small business owners." Business was down 30 percent, he said, and to add insult to injury, protesters were using his bathrooms to fill their pots and pans.

Almost every member of the community board or public who spoke said they were sympathetic to the protesters' aims, if not always their tactics. Several of the board members noted that in their younger days they had marched against the Vietnam War.

Susan Jennings, a 47-year-old mother of a second grader who bicycles past the park on her way to drop off her child, said the park had been "an extraordinary experience for her and for me," a place to learn about civil disobedience and civil rights leaders like Rosa Parks.

Jennifer Rajkumar, the recently-elected Democratic district leader for the area, said she lived nearby Zuccotti Park and welcomed "our new neighbors, the protesters."

Daniel Zetah, a 35-year-old member of Occupy Wall Street's community relations group, tried to return the welcome, and acknowledge complaints about the drummers.

"I empathize with you," he said. "I live in the park, and the noise is a lot louder there."

But whether Occupy Wall Street as a whole will be able to address quality of life concerns is an open question. The loosely organized protesters are in the middle of fierce debates over the effectiveness their decision-making authority, the General Assembly.

On Monday night the literary magazine n+1 posted a direly worded but anonymously sourced letter from a protester claiming that "OWS is over after Tuesday," the day of the community board meeting, because of "near continuous" drumming in the park.

That grim prediction didn't come true. But the truculent stance taken by one self-identified drummer who attended the community board meeting, Elijah Moses, showed just how great the chasm is between drummers and the larger community of protesters who would like to make peace with the neighbors.

"I see that there has been some problems with you guys trying to control the drummers," Moses said.

The General Assembly's good neighbor policy states that it will limit drummers to two hours of playing a day, but on Monday night the General Assembly and the Pulse working group, which represents most of the drummers, came to a consensus to restrict the rhythm to four hours a day.

That decision frustrated the quality of life committee chair, Pat Moore, who voted against the community board resolution even though she helped craft it.

"We had an agreement for two hours of drumming, now I'm hearing about four hours of drumming," Moore said.

But even four hours was not enough cowbell for Moses, who thought Pulse had already conceded too much.

"If you continue to ask for two hours," Moses said, "I am not here to cater and negotiate. I'm not here to play tit for tat. What I am here for is to make change, and what I am doing is meant to be playing all the time."

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NEW YORK -- The community board that represents the area surrounding Zuccotti Park voted resoundingly in favor of Occupy Wall Street's right to free assembly on Monday night, subduing concerns that qu...
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08:36 PM on 11/02/2011
Too funny, the drummers are being civiliy disobedient to the 'General Assembly' which in turn is civilly disobedient to the city. Go drummers, stick it to the man!
08:47 PM on 10/27/2011
"I'm warning you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_2voybydlU
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Carolab
Walking an 87-year-old in the sand isn't easy
07:42 PM on 10/26/2011
Goldman Sachs is trying to undermine community banks by taking back TARP money that is mandated by law for Community Reinvestment, if they support OWS.

Greg Palast reports:

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/10/25/goldman_sachs_v_occupy_wall_street
muckatuck
tell me...where is sanity?
04:41 PM on 10/26/2011
amendment to my previous amendment:' their' should've been replaced with 'they're.' apologies.in my rush to get the lost post off to the presses i overlooked that as well.damn me and my improper use of possessives and contractions!
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tteeghen
spare me the phony sanctimony
08:59 AM on 10/27/2011
You are also improperly not capitalizing. Just saying.
muckatuck
tell me...where is sanity?
04:37 PM on 10/26/2011
amendment to my previous post 'binary drum circles':ubiquitous was meant to replace the over wordy 'overwhelming presence' but i forgot to erase 'presence.' the tautological error is mine.this should preclude all you english majors from pouncing on me if you haven't already.
muckatuck
tell me...where is sanity?
04:27 PM on 10/26/2011
not for nuttin' but i can't stand those drum people either.their ubiquitous presence at all the festivals and concerts with their affected tribal dress annoying the crap out of everyone who wants to be able to hear their friends speak and hear the music clearly.worse still is when one group assimilates another and they become like a binary drum group with one trying to 'out tribal drum' the other as the scent of patchouli fills the air.if they were laying beats like abe cunningham or neil peart then i'd raise my lighter but it's always the same 4/4 time pounding rhythm with at least one person trying to add flourishes but is completely off the beat.ah well, could be worse i guess, they could be playing harmonicas.don't even get me started...
04:03 PM on 10/26/2011
A bunch of bums at best.
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GOATLEY3
Dream in lightyears, accomplish step by step.
02:53 PM on 10/26/2011
I look at these people and I've seen them all before, they're at every rave and music festival, weaving hemp products and smoking pot. They shun the corporate world and it's materiality, but want them to provide jobs and pay heathcare expenses for other's chosen lifestyle.
02:43 PM on 10/26/2011
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/ex_acorn_operatives_playing_role_s3zSPpX4NnFRoMpEGIxUBK

Typical, " hey take this money and come protest".........................." wow look at all the people who support us"...................gets funnier and funnier
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tj101
Hata ukinichukia la kweli nitakwambia
02:54 PM on 10/26/2011
What's even funnier is that you think the NY Post contains legitimate news!

Thanks for the laugh!
03:00 PM on 10/26/2011
Ohh if its not left leaning liberal sludge its not real news. So thats your reply to the article, its fake. I would have to call that a talking point
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03:02 PM on 10/26/2011
What is funny is that you can't accept the truth.
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allengoldchain
Proud to be a 53%! I always pay my fair share!
02:32 PM on 10/26/2011
have these people figured out what they are protesting about or is the plan just to live off the land (park) and beg for handouts?
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Eris23
Justice is in indefinite detention.
02:44 PM on 10/26/2011
"have these people figured out what they are protesting about"

Nothing will clue in anyone who is or has been listening about your willful and fake ignorance better than the above question. :) Thanks again.
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tj101
Hata ukinichukia la kweli nitakwambia
03:01 PM on 10/26/2011
Well said.

Those that choose to remain ig.norant.....
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allengoldchain
Proud to be a 53%! I always pay my fair share!
03:53 PM on 10/26/2011
hahah oh please. My question is valid. I've seen all your occupier videos and must admit they are very entertaining. Makes for late night comedy.

but at the end of the day what do you occupiers hope to achieve by yelling at the banks? you think that is going to end your debts that YOU people took out on your own? Nope
CogitoErgoSum VA
Every time you make a typo, the errorists win
03:22 PM on 10/26/2011
If you choose to remain so ignorant, that is your choice.
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allengoldchain
Proud to be a 53%! I always pay my fair share!
03:56 PM on 10/26/2011
hahah oh please. I chose to go to work to pay off my own debts rather then protesting for others to give me a handout. I also choose direct my frustration to the people that were the ones who handed out bailout checks, 1600 Penn.
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beerbagger
12-pack of genius
02:13 PM on 10/26/2011
The few rallies I've attended here in Colorado it seems as if the OWS movements wants to be heard and respected yet they don't fully yield in return what they want. I personally don't understand the concept of camping out and occupying either, but that's just me. It has always seemed that honey catches more flies than vinegar. Peacefully meetup, rally, discuss, protest, march, drum, chant... leave and regroup tomorrow. If the problem is not having shelter, form a kind resourceful committee that addresses the issue through action. Such banding together and action is more empowering than squatting on public property or braving winter elements. Large numbers of people are supportive of the cause, it's the occupation that turns people off. On the surface to many occupation seems silly, beneath that it's not entirely feasible for others, beyond that it sends the wrong message. Just cause we got taken doesn't mean we should take (occupy). We should lead by example! Show up in large numbers, protest in larger numbers, march in even larger numbers, educate the media, educate one another, file endless grievances, engage politicians with challenges to change, build support groups and resources, extinguish the rage by creating the safe, caring, generous community from within. As Kurt Vonnegut wisely pointed out "We must be careful about what we pretend to be."
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James Haun
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02:35 PM on 10/26/2011
well said - F&F
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tj101
Hata ukinichukia la kweli nitakwambia
03:13 PM on 10/26/2011
James Haun Commented
21 minutes ago (2:49 PM)
why do you insist on calling people names? not very pleasant
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LOL...yeah, cons aren't name-calling....are you chastising them as well?

Hy.pocrite.
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Davidlf
04:58 PM on 10/26/2011
BB, the point of occupation is persistence. Remember how for the first several weeks the only mention of OWS was people complaining that it wasn't being covered? It is precisely the peaceful law abiding occupation over the long haul that has gotten OWS recognition.

If we want change we will have to be capable of sustained effort and attention. Unlike the Tea party, OWS is not astro turf, at least not yet, and since their interests don't align with those of the top few % - it seems unlikely that they will become so.

The economic interests of the vast majority are not being served by our current system, whether these people think of themselves as right or left, they know that currently they are getting scr3wed. Threading the many issues cultivated to divide us won't be easy, but it's our best hope.

Otherwise, we're stuck waiting for things to deteriorate enough to realign peoples priorities.
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tj101
Hata ukinichukia la kweli nitakwambia
05:14 PM on 10/26/2011
Agree, 100%.

It's why the trollies are out en force, as well.

They know what a threat this is. If it were really insignificant, they wouldn't bother posting here....
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beerbagger
12-pack of genius
07:32 PM on 10/26/2011
I agree with the assembly and discussions which are finally occurring. I agree with the solidarity of people assembling to express dissatisfaction. Both were long overdue and had to build momentum. But most importantly we all have a duty to recognize equality. Equality isn't earned, it isn't taken, it isn't given. Equality is inherent, it's an understanding of self equal to others and our surroundings, it's universal respect and dignity. People are not left, right and middle, those are just ideas that cloud one's duty to offer respect and dignity to everything. The problems aren't siloed or as complex, like the media and politicians want us to believe. It's simple lack of respect & dignity to allow everyone to be recognized as an equal with enormous potential.

Movements and protests emerge from disrespect. There are rules and laws everyone must obey. Numerous infractions over the past decade have caused much of our social grief. The revisions, changes and methods used to bend, break and create our current rules and laws are a representation of wealth inequality. People are saying enough is enough. But do we do so in the method of taking occupation? Disrespecting the laws of a park or taking of land? How can we ask for what we aren't willing to give?
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01:53 PM on 10/26/2011
Sources said NYCC has hired about 100 former ACORN-affiliated staff members from other cities – paying some of them $100 a day - to attend and support Occupy Wall Street. Dozens of New York homeless people recruited from shelters are also being paid to support the protests, at the rate of $10 an hour, the sources said.
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tj101
Hata ukinichukia la kweli nitakwambia
02:49 PM on 10/26/2011
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/ex_acorn_operatives_playing_role_s3zSPpX4NnFRoMpEGIxUBK

LOL....i can see why you chose not to post a link.

The NY Post? What, were there no National Enquirer's left at the grocery check-out?

And isn't the head of the NY Post, Rupert Murdoch, being investigated by the FBI for illegal phone tapping?
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tj101
Hata ukinichukia la kweli nitakwambia
01:52 PM on 10/26/2011
So, the only thing the tp can come up with are L.ies and lame insults?

No wonder you're considered a National Joke.
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02:01 PM on 10/26/2011
.... what was that about .l.i.e.s and lame insults?
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tj101
Hata ukinichukia la kweli nitakwambia
02:31 PM on 10/26/2011
Still waiting for you to debunk any of my links, sport.
indamiddle
I do not support single party rule
02:06 PM on 10/26/2011
That "national joke" has a far larger voice in Congress than anyone from OWS..... chew on that awhile and you will understand the difference between real action and just "hangin out man"
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tj101
Hata ukinichukia la kweli nitakwambia
02:28 PM on 10/26/2011
A voice that is being ignored by both the dems and the gop, i might add..

Keep on fighting for our Light Bulb Freedoms!
11:00 PM on 10/26/2011
So you're proud to be a sucker and tool for fox news. that's where the real action came from. They lied and the T bags bough it all hook line and sinker. and the Kochs have you tools doing their bidding for them. Now THAT funny!
01:50 PM on 10/26/2011
The protesters occupying Wall Street have no clue that they have reduced sales for local shops and restaurants by nearly 50 per cent. But I guess they hate business and desire the destruction of all business and the revocation of money. Thing is our economic system has been operating since Ancient Sumer. I guess they prefer the life style of our simian ancesters.
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Eris23
Justice is in indefinite detention.
02:49 PM on 10/26/2011
"The protesters occupying Wall Street have no clue that they have reduced sales for local shops and restaurant­s by nearly 50 per cent. "

This isn't true, as was proven by the 33-3 approved Community Board 1 Resolution. The problem of loss of business has been blamed on excessive use of barricades what resulted in Community Board 1 demanding a meeting with the NYPD on how to use them better. Now, are you going to claim to know better than the democratically elected board that voices the interests of those who live and work in the area?
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tteeghen
spare me the phony sanctimony
01:44 PM on 10/26/2011
The brains of the lefty-loony occupiers are a lot like Elvis. Their logic, like the King, has LONG left the building.
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