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Religion And Discipline: Report Explores Punishing Children In The Name Of Religion

First Posted: 10/26/11 04:30 PM ET Updated: 12/26/11 05:12 AM ET

Debates have long stemmed from the question: how far is too far when it comes to punishing children? Discipline is necessary, but according to recent reports, some parents "beat" their children while claiming it's God's will.

A story on CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360" explored several incidents of abuse and in some cases, death, that have ties to parents who believed religious writings told them it was OK to discipline their children in that fashion. (Watch video above.)

Last month, Larry and Carri Williams were arrested and charged with homicide by abuse in Washington after their adopted daughter Hana was found naked and unconscious in the family's yard and pronounced dead at the hospital, the Skagit Vallery Herald reports.

Hana, 13, showed signs of physical abuse and malnutrition, which were thought to have contributed to her death. Court documents indicated that the parents used to lock Hana in a closet and "played the Bible on tape and Christian music for her while she was locked inside," KOMO explains.

The couple, who are parents to seven other children, reportedly followed advice from controversial book, "To Train Up A Child," which indicates it's acceptable to spank children with objects, leave them outdoors in the cold, and withhold food as forms of punishment, KOMO reports. The book, written by evangelist Micheal Pearl and his wife Debi, reportedly encourages the use of objects to spank children. Prosecutors said the couple used a flexible plumbing tube, the Toronto Sun points out.

First published in 1994, "To Train Up A Child" was thought have played an indirect role in Hana's death and at least two others'. Author Michael Pearl insists the writings "[adhere] to Biblical teachings," the Toronto Sun reports.

However, the book's introduction states its contents are not about discipline, but rather about the "training of a child before the need to discipline arises." Upon news of Hana's death, Pearl gave his condolences, and in an effort to clarify his teachings, he pointed to a passage in his book that states "Train up - not beat up," the Toronto Sun reports. He wrote: "There are always some who act in the extreme," according to the Toronto Sun.

In 2006, a Florida father was charged with aggravated child abuse and neglect of a child after police found a 12-year-old girl begging for money outside a Walgreen's. The girl told police she ran away from home because she was beaten as a form of punishment for several incidences, including for "not accepting Jesus into her heart," a report by the Sun Sentinel recounts. The father reportedly told police "it is stated in the Bible that it is OK to spank your children."

Not all Christians agree. In a phone interview with The Huffington Post, Rev. Jacqueline Lewis, Senior Pastor of Middle Collegiate Church insisted that scripture points towards God's love for children: "Jesus said: 'Bring the children to me.' Children are our most precious assets and we should use our words, not our hands to shape their behavior." Likewise, Rev. Carol Howard Merritt, a pastor and a mother said in an email to The Huffington Post: "Someone who uses violence against the vulnerable in the name of a loving God is in grave error."

The CNN report indicates that polls show that a majority of Americans support spanking as a form of punishment, but it's crucial to note that most don't "bloody" or "seriously hurt" their children. According to the story, district attorneys from across the country say that cases involving abuse in the name of religion are fairly common.

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Debates have long stemmed from the question: how far is too far when it comes to punishing children? Discipline is necessary, but according to recent reports, some parents "beat" their children while...
Debates have long stemmed from the question: how far is too far when it comes to punishing children? Discipline is necessary, but according to recent reports, some parents "beat" their children while...
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Red Leaves
Well, well, what matters it? Believe that too.
04:59 PM on 11/02/2011
If you are going to beat your children, at least have the basic decency to admit that you are doing it because you are angry, not because God is angry.
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Jradxit
Faithless morality over baseless faith
08:29 PM on 11/01/2011
God-Awful sad. Screwed up mentally and physically by religious non-sense with no basis in reality, just the free form mind wanderings of the deluded. Makes me want to spank the religious zealots with "objects."
06:32 PM on 11/01/2011
According to the bible:

"Anyone who attacks their father or mother is to be put to death." Exodus 21:15

Now, mind you... Exodus 20 is the chapter Moses receives the ten commandments...

I guess "thou shalt not kill" UNLESS someone hits their parents.
03:08 PM on 11/12/2011
Read the whole Bible please. There are plenty of reasons to kill children in it. Sadly, what this really is, is a case of someone picking and choosing the sickening parts and using them as rationale (whether because they believe it or not).
06:28 PM on 11/01/2011
I don't really see the conflict... children were rather "disposable" to the Xtian God...

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children." Ezekiel 9:5-7

Now I just sit and wait for all the lame rationalizations to fly in.
dancingbones
Teach, lead by example, example, exampl
01:56 PM on 11/01/2011
Using 'god' as an excuse to abuse children is SICK and perverted. Of course, so is belief in spirits, gods, and religion...
06:49 PM on 11/02/2011
how is believing in the one and only GOD, "SICK and PERVERTED"???!!
i respectyour opinion but don't insult people for believing in some thing.
09:49 PM on 10/31/2011
So many people blame the bible for everything when its people who blindly follow men who don’t know what they are talking about. Example the Greek noun translated discipline means training-instruction and according to the bible it is evidence of parents love. When discipline done right kids feel secure. In fact the Bible tells us do not be exasperating your children (Colossians 3:21) and do not be irritating them (Ephesians 6:4). People will talk about the “discipline of rod” in Psalms, but the rod in Hebrew means stick or staff. This was what the shepherd used to lead his flock or when a sheep was in trouble he used it to gently rescue it. Because of his love for his flock he would never harm them, like we should never harm our kids. Let’s not blame the Bible, it a brilliant book around for thousands of years. Not many books can say that. What we can blame is the clergy out there who distort it and spread lies about it.
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Claude Hosch
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08:57 PM on 10/31/2011
My dad didn't have much use for God. But, he would not punish you unless he knew for himself that you understood the nature of your behavior. He would help you understand the nature of things, then have you understand that if you say you understood, next time you were punished. He invested a lot of his time teaching before punishing. What dad required was very similar to what God required, except worship and tithing. He knew how to be a dad.
07:51 PM on 10/31/2011
I don't blame the book, 'To Train Up a Child'; I blame the parents. They knew what they were doing and should be punised to full extent of the law.
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crowepps
05:28 PM on 11/02/2011
I will agree with you that people have to be pretty stupid to follow the advice in 'To Train Up A Child', which is sadistic and monstrous and which any person who isn't a fool would reject at once, but when authors insist to stupid people that God WANTS them to beat their children with objects when they are disobedient, and if that doesn't work to beat them more and more and more, I don't see why the book should be exempt from blame. Three different sets of adoptive parents have followed the advice in the same book and it has killed children. If it were a medical book or a cookbook getting the same kind of results, it would be off the market.
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pene
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02:51 PM on 10/31/2011
it really doesn't matter who you blame the punishment on, the child will resent, even come to hate, the person meteing it out.

Discipline is the only answer. but that's too hard for parents. Modeling the behavior you want your children to internalize is difficult because you have to be aware of yourself and what you do.
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Craig Gosling
03:08 AM on 10/31/2011
"As long as God told you to do it, I guess it is OK." What a lame excuse that will pardon every act of child abuse, bigotry, and war. When will humanity learn?
12:01 AM on 10/31/2011
There isn't a person in this forum who has ever met someone with a world view as narrow as those of the people who wrote the Bible. Given that one simple fact, there is absolutely no reason to EVER use the Bible as a parenting guide. Parents have much better tools available to them today.
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VictoryBlue
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03:06 PM on 10/31/2011
There isn't a person in this forum who has ever met someone with a world view as narrow as those of the people who wrote the Bible.

Yes I have. The people who follow it.
03:21 PM on 10/31/2011
Well said VictoryBlue. I suppose there are those who still believe the earth is flat and that illness is caused by demons.
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Amabod
04:19 PM on 10/31/2011
I guess aborting a child you do not want is a loving act as well. You folks are WORLD class hypocrites.
09:49 PM on 10/30/2011
Twelve years ago, a Canadian school principal was busted for possessing child pornography. Specifically, he collected pictures of children being spanked. Turns out he’d also spanked a number of students during his career.

In 2002, the FBI broke up a nationwide child-spanking pornography ring. A few of its members even made films using their own kids, who could be heard tearfully pleading their innocence.

Now, it’s not really news that spanking can take on sexual overtones, as anyone who’s seen “Monty Python and the Holy Grail” can tell you. If you doubt it, just type “spanking” into a search engine and see what kind of results you get. And since there are people out there who are sexually drawn to children, it figures that some would enjoy spanking them.

Tragically for many victims, though, society has mostly failed to recognize the potential for sexual abuse in the practice of spanking children or even young adults. Perpetrators often deflect suspicion simply by playing the discipline card.

It’s high time we woke up to this problem. At a minimum, parents ought to warn their children that some adults may have bad reasons for wanting to spank them.

You can learn more at www.spankingcanbesexualabuse.org and www.nopaddle.com.
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We will be known forever by the tracks we leave
06:38 PM on 10/31/2011
Wow. Who knew? Thanks for the warning.
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onwisconsin
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10:20 PM on 11/02/2011
Well written and good information. Happy to be your first fan.
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crowepps
08:20 PM on 10/30/2011
Larry and Carri Williams were the ADOPTIVE parents of the little Ethiopian girl they killed, and had also adopted a little boy, who was also beaten. The other ADOPTED children killed by parents using these training methods are four-year-old Sean Paddock of North Carolina and seven year-old Lydia Schatz of California, whose 11 year-old sister was also beaten but survived.

Religious fanatics who believe God wants them to beat children should not be allowed to adopt. Adoption agencies who are focused on placing children in fundamentalist Christian homes so they can increase the number of fundamentalist Christians, and who consider 'fundamentalist Christian' the only important qualification in screening adoptive parents, should be put out of business. The variable most strongly linked to physical and sexual abuse of children is parents who hold fundamentalist religious beliefs.

It is disgusting and tragic that these children first were traumatized by losing their biological parents, then by losing their country, culture and language, and then had their lives prematurely cut short by being tortured to death by people obsessed with forcing them to be perfect Christians.
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VictoryBlue
Motorcycle rider, Legalization supporter, Texan
03:08 PM on 10/31/2011
Funny that they say having a LGBT couple adopt a child is hurtful to the child, go figure.
11:33 AM on 10/29/2011
The bible says to stone unruly children to death. I guess spanking is justified as a metaphorical death by their twisted reasoning.
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John L Myers IV
99% of statistics are made up.
10:31 PM on 10/28/2011
I was brought up in Texas by a father who was a cop; so I've had my share of spankings and was raised to believe that that was right and proper. But when I became a parent I realized that I wasn't a straight A student who didn't do drugs and said yes sir and no sir 'because' my father spanked me. I was all those things that make up a "good" kid because I loved my father so much I didn't want to disappoint him. The desire to be worthy of a parents pride and love will keep a child from doing things, even when out of sight of the parent, that "fear" of spanking or punishment will not. The "trick" is to make your children love you so much that they won't do anything that would make you disappointed in them. I raised both my sons that way and spanking wasn't necessary. If spanking becomes necessary then you already have a very serious problem, and it should never be done out of anger or in the heat of the moment. Of course it takes much much more time and effort to make your child love and respect you so much that he won't want to disappoint you. It's much easier to just hit them and teach them that might makes right. They might not grow to love and respect you but they'll mind you. Until they are out of your sight, or grow bigger and stronger than you.
11:30 PM on 10/29/2011
I felt the same with my parents. I did not want to disappoint them, not because of fear, but because of love and respect. I have raised my children in much the same way, and both of my sons never want to disappoint me, not out of fear, but because of love and respect. We talked, laughed, cried through any hard times or times when discipline was called for. I/my sons were not just taught right from wrong, but also forgiveness and the ability to learn from a life experience and then move on.