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European Leaders Reach Agreement, But Growth Crisis Still Lingers

First Posted: 10/27/2011 12:43 pm Updated: 12/27/2011 4:12 am

Investors welcomed a relatively bold agreement by European political leaders on Thursday, but some economists say that the crisis is still far from over.

European political leaders and large banks reached an agreement on Thursday to write down 50 percent of Greece's sovereign debt -- a move that will likely forestall a default by Greece but is likely not sufficient over the long term, some economists said.

European leaders also agreed to boost the size of their bailout fund to $1.4 trillion in order to prevent eurozone countries' borrowing costs from rising much further, though there were few specifics about how they plan to raise the money. Leaders agreed to require Europe's largest banks to raise $148 billion in additional capital by June, a move that is designed to protect financial institutions from bank runs that could put them in danger of bankruptcy.

"This is the biggest step forward they've taken so far," said Howard Archer, chief European economist at IHS Global Insight. "But all of this is putting a bandage over the wound. ... I suspect we'll still be talking about this next year and the year after."

Markets around the world rallied on news of the debt deal. The S&P 500 rose 2.9 percent as of 12:30 p.m., the DAX in Germany rose 5.35 percent, and the French CAC 40 rose 6.28 percent. The value of the euro also rose 2.1 percent, as investors became more confident that the Euro Zone was in less danger of falling apart.

Bank stocks led the stock market in an upward swing. Banks such as Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, and Bank of America rose more than 7 percent as of 12:30 p.m., and Morgan Stanley's stock price rose 15 percent.

Though investors were relieved that Europe reached an agreement early Thursday morning, some economists say that the sovereign debt crisis may drag on for years as long as some eurozone economies do not grow.

Economic growth in Europe has been very weak, and some economists say that Europe is in danger of slipping into another recession. Spain's economy is barely growing, Italy's economy is growing at a rate of just 1 percent per year, and Greece's economy has been shrinking at an annual rate of 7 percent as the unemployment rate has spiked to 16.5 percent.

Many economists agree that Greece's economy has been shrinking because Europe has forced Greece to slash spending at the moment when the economy has most needed it. The leaders of other European countries such as Spain and Italy also have pledged to reduce government spending. As long as European leaders refuse to increase spending to boost economic growth, it seems unlikely that their economies and tax revenues will grow.

Archer said that the current agreement will work only in conjunction with strong economic growth in the eurozone, so that higher tax revenues can pay down the debt, but said he thought the eurozone is "in very serious danger" of economic stagnation. And as long as the European economy does not grow, Archer said, "sooner or later, the fire will blaze up again."

California State University economist Sung Won Sohn predicted that since Greece is unable to service the remaining 50 percent of its debt, the crisis is likely to repeat itself: He said Greece would spend more than Europe has allowed and will be in danger of default, and that the borrowing costs for other troubled countries such as Spain and Italy would spike.

"Today, the market feels pretty good about this, but unfortunately this isn't the end of it," Sohn said. "This is going to drag on for quite a while."

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Investors welcomed a relatively bold agreement by European political leaders on Thursday, but some economists say that the crisis is still far from over. European political leaders and large banks ...
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iam99
To know what you prefer...
06:23 AM on 10/28/2011
European leaders take one step closer to the Gordian knot of a problem that is unsolvable by any of the favored methods. Ask any of them to fully explain the exact mechanics of their solutions and you would likely draw nonsensical phrases mixed with blank stares and wild gesticulations.

Muddle on!
02:44 AM on 10/28/2011
Europe is not Europe. There are troubled states which have a functioning economy and there are troubled states which do not. If states have a functioning economy, deficit spending (if done well) has a good chance of becoming a stimulus. Otherwise not.

Greece does not have a functioning economy. Deficit spending and/or new loans from abroad tend to end up in the wrong pockets and certainly not anywhere near productive activities. New loans to Greece is nothing other than enabling Greeks to buy more imports (and to transfer more money to Switzerland).

Greece needs what a developing economy needs: know-how transfer so that Greeks themselves learn how they can generate more of the wealth required to finance their own living standard.

Many, many Greeks are already suffering badly and yet: Greeks in sum (the state and certainly the people) are quite wealthy: privatization potential in the 3-digit billion EUR figures; 200 billion EUR in domestic deposits; unknown billion EUR under matrasses; hundreds billion EUR in foreign accounts; private real estate and other property of the upper class which defies the wealth of the upper class in Central Europe; etc. etc.

So they really don’t need money as much as they need “real help” how they can develop their country’s potential (something which Greeks have never even attempted to do). See my paper.

http://klauskastner.blogspot.com/2011/09/endgame-for-greece.html
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becky bradshaw
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth
09:27 AM on 10/28/2011
I read your paper. You need to source your numbers. Some of them are questionable. Don't always use the most outrageous statistic.

The base argument is that Greece needs fundamental change is true, but is not limited to Greece. Once the first round of economies collapse (Greece, Spain, Portugal, etc), the economies like France and Germany, which depend on their customers in Southern Europe, will face the same issues. Their collapse will soon follow.

The basic problem is globalism. If left unregulated, globalism will tend to equalize standards of living across the planet. Forty percent of the world's population lives in just two countries, India and China. Average wages per worker in the prosperous areas of these countries is about $200 a month. Plug that value into the German economic models.
12:16 PM on 10/28/2011
Most of the statistics come from the Bank of Greece (http://www.bankofgreece.gr/Pages/en/Statistics/externalsector/balance/basic.aspx), only a couple of them from Eurostat. In Greece's external sector there is no single "outrageous statistic". Just about everything which relates to trade & current account balance,external debt, etc. is outrageous. What is absolutely excellent, however, is the way the Bank of Greece reports the statistics (haven't seen that in any other country yet).

I agree that globalisation is at the macro-end of all of this. However, Greece is a small enough economy to escape the macro-trends a bit without causing too much trouble. If Greece's trade deficit were "only as small" as that of the US, there would already be much improvement. And the reduction in imports does not necessarily need to lead to less supply in goods. If the right imports are cut (i. e. those who can just as well be produced domestically) and if they are produced domestically, more than one fly can be caught with the same stroke.
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cadawa
03:51 PM on 10/27/2011
European growth (and ours) has been slow because there is not enough currency out there to meet the needs of the economy, let alone create growth.
The private bankers solution is debt slavery. Not a good option. The system doesn't create enough currency to repay the interest on debt so it must be cannabalized from somewhere else; third world countries, the US Middle Class, the poor, etc.
When the nations of Europe gave up their sovereign right to create their own currencies and turned that over to the ECB, they signed up for the same roller coaster ride that the Federal Reserve has provided Americans with for almost a century; orchestrated boom and bust with huge transfers of wealth upward and devalued currency (The US dollar has lost 90% of its value since 1950).
Austerity and grinding poverty will only prolong the economic downturn. The way out for them and us is to reclaim the sovereign right to create ones own currency. For the Europeans, it means modifying their agreements. For the US it means nationalizing the Federal Reservue (in reality Bank of American, JPMorgan Chase and Citibank).
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06:19 AM on 10/28/2011
"growth" in itself turns out to be the problem.
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03:33 PM on 10/27/2011
This should be headline news. What is wrong with our media ?
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Over40
03:57 PM on 10/27/2011
I agree! The Huffington Post can't decide anymore whether it wants to be the NY Times or the National Enquirer and so ends up a strange mixture of both.
04:21 PM on 10/27/2011
Agreed!
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jcaunter
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03:22 PM on 10/27/2011
Things that make you go hmmm....

Item 1: Bank runs in Greece underway that are going unreported by the MSM:

http://www.bnet.com/blog/sports-entertainment/if-greek-bank-run-is-underway-it-means-an-ugly-end-to-eu-crisis/1773

hmmm
01:30 AM on 10/28/2011
Uhm, sorry, but the underlying source in your link is our BILD newspaper ... the (German language) yellow press poster child. ... I mean, who would seriously use, let's say, The Sun, or the late News of the World as a source to get a sound opinion on matters of economics or science or ... ?
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03:20 PM on 10/27/2011
It must be said again and again: NO AMOUNT OF BAILOUTS WILL SAVE THE EURO!

Glass-Steagall must e adopted worldwide.
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06:17 AM on 10/28/2011
Tell Cameron. He's whining about the tiny bit of regulation the EU might impose on his golden boys in the City.
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03:12 PM on 10/27/2011
Merkel looks a lot like a dolf...she needs that little mustache.
03:41 PM on 10/27/2011
She will OBEY ;)
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03:23 PM on 10/27/2011
Hi, sweetie !
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AkiraBergman
03:11 PM on 10/27/2011
Heavy drug addiction has one solution only for most people; going cold turkey together with doctor support and radical restructuring of lifestyle, including a total change of social circle. I do no see that happening here.

Most probably the patient will die since denial continues. The same goes for the social circle.
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06:15 AM on 10/28/2011
The beauty is it will take the dealers down then... following your imaging.
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glpur1
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03:05 PM on 10/27/2011
Someone on MSNBC this morning said the agreement amounts to poor Germans being forced to subsidize wealthy Greeks. I'd like to see that explored a bit more.
03:26 PM on 10/27/2011
This is a global debt problem, not just a Greece default, but many countries are at risk, including the United States. On October 31st our debt vs. GDP ratio, will reach over 100%. We are eeking by month by month, barely paying interest payment to China, and we think we are going to avoid a Greece like situation come a year from now possibly???? We have to see the bigger picture GLOBALLY. This is a hostile takeover, get prepared.
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06:14 AM on 10/28/2011
And who's the enemy in your opinion?
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jcaunter
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03:03 PM on 10/27/2011
You can just look at that picture and see that all those guys know their screwed. Why bother reading the article at all?

Well... you might be able to find entertaining gems like this if you do: "Many economists agree...", "Some economists say that...", "...said Howard Archer, chief European economist at IHS Global Insight."

It seems to me that the author pasted the opinions of a bunch of people who have no idea what they're talking about.
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jcaunter
Profile: schizoid, INTJ
02:54 PM on 10/27/2011
"But Growth Crisis Still Lingers"

Holy crap that's putting it mildly. Is this what they teach in Harvard regarding the "History of Economic Philosophy". Might as well be teaching the history of the science of voodoo.

Ignore this story and read this from Reggie Middleton. Now this is some gd interesting stuff:

"My analysis here is based upon a very brief reading of the case
and I would need time to analysis fully. Also I'm not a financial
professional I don't understand all the implications of what the EU
announced. The reason I'm contacting you is because I believe that in
the coming days/weeks we will hear of entities that are buyers of the
CDS protection giving notice of a credit event to their counterparties to seek to collect on the CDS contract. If payouts aren't made lawsuits will be filed.

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/banks-have-volunteered-gunpoint-get-50-their-money-taken-no-credit-event
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sillygames
02:51 PM on 10/27/2011
Kick the can, anyone ?
04:23 PM on 10/27/2011
Absolutely! Capitalization of 9% by June 2012. What a joke! This whole thing is going to blow up! This whole act here with the summit, was nothing more than a publicity stunt to calm the markets. The big bang is to be expected!
08:35 PM on 10/27/2011
I disagree. Pretty much one year ago (13 month) the international banks agreed on the Basel III accord (which is not an international treaty). This would have given banks time until 2019!! to reach this level of Core-Tier-I capital (especially German and French banks opposed it).
Switzerland and Swiss banks took a much more ambitious approach and took it upon themselves to reach that (or actually, I think, even a slightly higher ratio; 10 -11 pc if I am not mistaken) by 2013. This was dubbed as the globally most ambitious plan.
Only just recently, a few weeks ago, the head of US JP Morgan Chase declared that he thinks the Basel III regulation was "un-American" and that the US should consider to ignore it. Similar, the earlier Basel II agreement was also only very slowly followed by US banks, probably because it meant for them to have a competitive advantage.

In the light of this, taking the implementation of these requirements from the level of an agreement supervised by the central banks and a non-binding agreement among them to the level of actual legislation/ legal requirement and within a much, much narrower time frame (June 2012 instead of 2019) is a huge step. The "Sword of Damocles" here is that all banks you do not manage to reach it will end up partly nationalized.
08:43 PM on 10/27/2011
While I would agree if you think that's still not enough as a ratio, I guess that:

- it's at least a start by European politicians to put regulation before the banks' lobbied interest.

- they had to balance it: Had the requirements be even stricter, then it would have been more likely that banks would end up being (partly) nationalized. And even if there would not be a necessity to nationalize, it still may mean that the share US (and UK?) banks hold will increase. What good would it be to squeeze European bank out of the financial markets and have this deals done by foreign banks with less regulation? Haven't we learned how interconnected they are? We could raise the level to a much higher share, but if a foreign bank with a lesser ratio fails and a foreign government chooses not to intervene, then we end up fighting the same problems.
02:51 PM on 10/27/2011
How can economists in this article say the Greece economy is shrinking because the government has been asked to slash spending when it needs it most for growth? The Greece government has been spending billions for years like a drunken sailor without reforming anything..pensions, retirement age etc.Where was the growth then???? Greece spent Billions it did not have nor would it have in the future. No growth with all the spending..just more and more debt!!!! What are these economists drinking? EU should have never started bailing Greece and other countries who have spent billions without reforming anything. The bailout will be endless..a sinkhole. WHERE WERE ALL THESE ECONOMISTS YEARS AGO TO ADVOCATE REFORM, RESTRAINT AND LESS GOVERNMENT SPENDING YEARS AGO? Now they suggest Greece should spend more not cut spending???? Does this make any sense to anyone???
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06:10 AM on 10/28/2011
Good question. Where have the rating agencies been all those years?
08:43 AM on 10/28/2011
ANOTHER GREAT QUESTION "WHERE WERE THE RATING AGENCIES ALL THOSE YEARS IN REGARD TO GREECE, BONDS AND BORROWING ETC.? RATING AGENCIES AND ECONOMISTS SHARE LOTS OF BLAME REGARDING GREECE.
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Bill Roth
I wrote it so it must be true....
02:32 PM on 10/27/2011
It seems as if this game of monopoly is over. Pick a new player token redistribute the money to start and roll the dice. Over and over again. There can only be one winner.
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NickTAZ
The blue = Job Growth
02:31 PM on 10/27/2011
It would seem that growth is stagnating in all developed nations. The developing world has so much need that credit can continued to be extended with a reasonable expectation of repayment. In a debt based economy (which the world now is) the extension of credit is imperative!

This need for credit expansion is why both political parties in America support the economic policies that take us further down the rabbit hole (i.e. Deregulating banks, providing home loans to those who probably can't afford them, trade agreements that promote more business loans even if those business open their factories overseas)