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FTC: Debt Collectors Used Lies, Threats And Insults To Get People To Pay Up

Debt Collectors

First Posted: 10/27/2011 11:42 am Updated: 12/27/2011 5:12 am

"Look, I am trying to help your company. This matter is serious and will cause problems at the job."

That's allegedy what employees at Rincon Debt Management, a debt collection company based in Corona, California, were supposed to say when they were trying to get money out of someone.

Except sometimes, according to a complaint filed by the Federal Trade Commission, the person they were trying to put pressure on didn't owe any money at all.

Rincon, along with six other California companies, is a defendant in a formal complaint filed earlier this month by the FTC. On Wednesday, a U.S. district court halted activity at all seven companies and had their assets temporarily frozen.

The seven companies all appear to be the same group operating under different names, according to Tom Syta, assistant regional director for the FTC's western region. The complaint identifies two men, Jason Begley and Wayne Lunsford, who appear to have been leading the operation. But no matter what the group was calling itself, the FTC alleges, it was breaking the law.

The complaint accuses Rincon employees of falsely claiming that they were process servers or calling on behalf of attorneys; falsely claiming that litigation was underway against the person they were trying to reach; and falsely claiming that the so-called debtor might be arrested or have their property seized if they didn't pay back their debt -- all methods that are illegal.

Some of the people Rincon was targeting didn't actually owe money to anyone. They'd paid their debts back, the FTC says, or they'd never owed money in the first place. But sometimes, these people were so intimidated by the false-pretense calls that they would write Rincon a check anyway.

"People who felt like they didn't owe the money would pay it to get rid of that problem," said Tom Syta, assistant regional director for the FTC's western region.

All in all, the FTC claims, Rincon and the other defendants took in about $9.4 million over the course of 18 months.

The economic downturn has generated an unending flow of business for the debt collection industry, as more and more people struggle to pay their bills in a climate of high unemployment and flat wages. The collection industry employs almost 450,000 people, and is expected to grow by as much as 26 percent in the next three years.

At the same time, the slumping economy means that collectors are increasingly unable to wring money out of debtors, either because they're reluctant to part with it in lean times or because they simply don't have it. And some collectors resort to illegal tactics -- like calling at all hours of the night, using profanity and threats, and lying about the amount of the debt -- in order to strong-arm debtors into sending them cash.

Syta told The Huffington Post that Rincon, like many collection agencies, felt they were "dealing with guys who owe money, and they can do what they need to do to collect. And that's just not the case."

According to the FTC complaint, employees at Rincon worked from a script. Once Rincon had a target picked out -- say they were going after John Q. Everyman -- there were a few different approaches they could take.

A Rincon worker might call up John's office and talk to his boss. Reading from a script, the Rincon caller would try to convince John's boss that John was in legal trouble -- about to be served with court papers, in fact, unless he paid up the money he owed.

Or the Rincon caller might try one of John's friends or relatives. Again, Rincon would try to convince the other person that John would be dragged into court over his debts unless he called them back to discuss repayment.

If the person on the other end of the line balked, Rincon's callers were supposed to press the issue. If a caller reached John's wife, for example, and she said she was driving a car, the caller was instructed to tell her, "I suggest you pull over. This is time-sensitive."

Syta said Rincon's callers broke the law by misrepresenting themselves, and by intimating that debtors could be arrested if they didn't pay up.

"Maybe there was a debt collector over there who didn't use the scripts that were distributed," Syta told HuffPost. "[But] the consumers that we talked to all had a very consistent story."

Since April 2008, the FTC and the Better Business Bureau have received a combined 270 statements about Rincon and the other companies, from people all around the country.

The FTC is now going through the companies' records, preparing a second, more detailed brief to be filed on November 1. The companies will then have a chance to file an opposition brief, and perhaps defend their actions, on November 3.

Last month, a court order halted activity at another debt collection company that was also the subject of an FTC complaint. That group, known as Rumson, Bolling & Associates, is alleged to have insulted and threatened debtors, calling them names like "asshole," "white trash," "scumbag" and "goatfucker."

In one case, the complaint alleges, a caller from Rumson, Bolling contacted a woman who was unable to pay back the cost of her daughter's funeral. The caller threatened to dig up the woman's daughter and hang her from a tree if she did not pay her debt, according to the complaint.

Syta said that when it comes to debt collection, scams and illegal practices are incredibly common.

"The debt collection world is the number one industry that the FTC gets complaints about," he said. "More than we get about travel scams or Internet scams or telemarketing."

Information about how to deal with debt and guard against scammers is available at the FTC's Money Matters Web site. Further information about what debt collectors are and aren't allowed to do can be found at the FTC's Consumer Protection page.

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"Look, I am trying to help your company. This matter is serious and will cause problems at the job." That's allegedy what employees at Rincon Debt Management, a debt collection company based in Cor...
"Look, I am trying to help your company. This matter is serious and will cause problems at the job." That's allegedy what employees at Rincon Debt Management, a debt collection company based in Cor...
 
 
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10:48 PM on 12/26/2011
more regs = goods; more responsibility = better; or; debtors forget a debt (wait for SOL to expire) and stick it to the collectors!
04:22 AM on 11/01/2011
Every consumer should have a copy of the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act on thier book shelfs.Then this trash would not and could not go on.The job of a debt collector if done correctly helps recover money to society as a whole and leaves the debtor with some sense of self respect and dignity.I hope the FTC chews these companies up.No one needs undue pain inflicked upon them in times of trouble.
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cvbnm67
Pursuing truth, and all those who threaten it.
01:13 AM on 11/01/2011
The best way to stop debt collectors from calling is: first, don't allow them to leave any messages on your phone. Always answer. Insult them in the most hurtful ways. Speak agessively and hostile. They hate to be spoken to like dogs and eventually stop calling. This works like a charm. The key is not to run. If you speak with them you can tell them you are not going to pay, they have no choice but to go to the next step, which does not include calling you on the phone. Most of the time this next step is leaving you alone.
02:01 PM on 10/31/2011
I had my identity stolen several years ago, with a few different accounts taken out in my name. Mind you, the first time was over a decade ago, and the last time was almost just as long ago as the first. They have all changed hands from CA to another over a dozen times in the intervening years. Every time I turn around, I'm getting contacted by someone new regarding a debt I just finished disputing with another agency. Debts that are so far beyond the statute of limitations that it's laughable. And when I point that out to them, the response is always "well, we just got it, so it's valid." Until I point out to them that they had it just a few years ago, or just a few agencies back, because I've taken to keeping all those "statements" they send me just so I can keep track of who I've threatened with legal action.
01:09 PM on 10/31/2011
I've had a debt collector who has been calling my phone number for someone who is not me for the last 5 years. I've had this phone number for over a decade...and I've never known this person they are calling for. I've told them countless times that they have a wrong number but the calls have never ceased. In fact, they continue to call almost daily.

Occasionally, I've considered pretending to be this person just to harass them back. "Yeah, I know I owe! But I'm not paying! Take me to court! And if you call me again, I'll sue you for harassment!" But that would be fraudulent on my part...and might come back to haunt me.
01:47 PM on 10/31/2011
I went through that. Finally gave up and got a new number after a decade with my old one.
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NewmanKitten
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12:17 PM on 10/31/2011
Filed bankruptcy in 03 for fraudulent debts (new state laws would now protect us), had 39 accounts/19 creditors that were opened fraudulently, and nearly $400k they were trying to collect from us. 8 years later, we are being pummeled by creditors trying to collect on a) legally discharged debts, b) fraudulent debts in the first place, and c) debts for which the statute of limitations has long since run out; legally they cannot attempt to collect.

Two have placed liens on our home. Regardless of how much I provide copies of the BK paperwork (40+ times over 24 months), they keep coming at us. When threatened with legal action, it just pops up under another collector's name within months.

A warning to all: liens are not covered in the broad statement of "collection actions". So just to eff with you, they can place a lien on your home, and be legally safe from sanctions.

Another tactic? 1099ing us for "canceled" debt, rather than "discharged" debt which is excludable from IRS reporting.

I've had to battle the IRS (actually the IRS has been great to deal with!) over 6 1099s filed on us for fraudulently created, legally discharged debts. 6 1099's that would have had us pay more than $15,000 total in income taxes if I couldn't prove they were discharged vs canceled.

It is my Hell on Earth.
01:15 AM on 10/31/2011
I've had debt collectors pretend to be lawyers saying that they will sue me. They pretended not to have my current phone number or address just so they could call my parents. They lie and say that they are collecting for the primary lender when in reality they bought my information from the primary lender only. I've read the Fair Debt Collections Practices Act and I always request in writing that they validate the debt. So far, not one third party collection agency could validate the debt. I'll probably never see a courtroom, but they won't be able to validate the debt there either. I haven't paid them a dime and I don't owe them a dime. These companies have never provided me with a good or a service, they only bought my information from another company. They should be illegal.
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cpsummer2457
To my son, who will live in my heart forever.
10:44 PM on 10/30/2011
I had a company call me regarding a bill I was disputing and he threaten me and my job, I simply told them to get a lawyer and take me to court and I will have no problem with it but if he called me again and threatened me I would bring him up on charges of harassment. I never heard from them or their lawyer again, you just have to know your rights and no one has the right to make any kind of threats against you.
11:39 AM on 10/31/2011
Exactly right. Tell them to contact you in writing, and if they have a case - tell them to get a warrant in debt
and you'll defend. You won't hear from them again.
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Lorraine Danese
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06:48 PM on 10/30/2011
I HATE Debt collectors i know they are doing there job but not for nothing , take it from me i have been down that road years ago the collectors were more kind before < lol * Now they are snakes they take money out of your bank *thank God things are better but i chalk it up to this is the way the world is if you are out of work tuff blame yourself as Herman said !! digging up a BODY yikes*** smh"""
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BillKen
03:03 PM on 10/30/2011
So what's new, this kinda of crap has been going on for ages. I'm wondering what the FTC has been doing for the last fifty plus years, accumulating data for this report and hoping they never get enough. You really don't have to wonder if the government is looking out for our best interests,
just look around, the answer is NO.
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olitenup
01:56 PM on 10/30/2011
I have reported a number of these thugs to the feds because they call and harass me over accounts that do not exist.

Eric Holder, go after these thugs and leave the weeders alone!
01:59 AM on 10/30/2011
Just another ufcking group of thieves that will get off with a slap on the wrist and be in business under another name tomorrow.
There is no consumer protection of any kind in this country and if you should run into a company that is an obvious ripoff, I am sure there will be no legal remedy that dispenses jail time.
Of course the consumer will be placated by the token arrest here and there.
Hundreds of Wall Streets knowing breaking laws and other than Madoff, "ONE" major trader convicted
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outtopastur
Ask Us If We Care
08:24 AM on 10/31/2011
No, there isn't. The existing FDCPA laws were written 34 years ago and do nothing to address the abuses of the explosive junk debt buying industry or the technology associated with it. The organized criminals who own and operate these rogue agencies know full well that the penalties for illegally collecting debts amount to chump change and they will be able to get away with signing settlements absolving them of any wrongdoing--as long as they "promise not to break the law again".

Bullchit. Who do they think they are fooling?
11:03 PM on 10/29/2011
Lie, cheat, threats and insults. Sounds like tactics of right wing talk radio and FAUX NOISE.
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munki
Global to Local now Local to Global
08:18 PM on 10/29/2011
I totally oppose credit cards being extended to people who cannot afford it - just because they have good credit does not mean you can pay... in today's economic circumstances !

I oppose to those companies constantly offering credit cards!!! unwarranted solicitation...

STOP so those nasty collection agencies won't get any job!
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plaidsportcoat
07:15 PM on 10/29/2011
Never take a call from them. Just send money if and when you have it. Life Goes On!