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Northeast Weather: White To Be Fall Color This Weekend

PAT EATON-ROBB   10/28/11 07:14 PM ET   AP

HEBRON, Conn. — Steve Hoffman had expected to sell a lot of fall fertilizer this weekend at his hardware store in Hebron but instead spent Friday moving bags of ice melting pellets.

A storm moving up the East Coast was expected to combine with a cold air mass and dump anywhere from a dusting of snow to about 10 inches Saturday in parts of the Northeast.

"We're stocked up and we've already sold a few shovels," Hoffman said. "We actually had one guy come in and buy a roof rake."

National Weather Service meteorologist Bill Simpson said the rake probably won't be needed, but October snowfall records could be broken in parts of southern New England, especially at higher elevations. The October record for southern New England is 7.5 inches in Worcester in 1979.

The most snow will likely hit the Massachusetts Berkshires, the Litchfield Hills in northwestern Connecticut, southwestern New Hampshire and the southern Green Mountains. Connecticut Gov. Dannel P. Malloy warned residents that they could lose power.

The storm could bring more than 6 inches of snow to parts of Maine beginning Saturday night. Parts of southern Vermont could receive more than a foot of wet snow Saturday into Sunday.

In Pennsylvania, 6 to 10 inches could fall at higher elevations, including the Laurel Highlands in the southwestern part of the state and the Pocono Mountains in the northeastern part. Philadelphia and Pittsburgh could see a coating.

"This is very, very unusual," said John LaCorte, a National Weather Service meteorologist in State College, Pa. "It has all the look and feel of a classic midwinter nor'easter. It's going to be very dangerous."

The last major widespread snowstorm in Pennsylvania this early was in 1972, LaCorte said.

In New England, the first measurable snow usually falls in early December, and normal highs for late October are in the mid-50s.

"This is just wrong," said Dee Lund of East Hampton, who was at a Glastonbury garage getting four new tires put on her car before a weekend road trip to New Hampshire.

Lund said that after last winter's record snowfall, which left a 12-foot snow bank outside her house, she'd been hoping for a reprieve.

The good news, Simpson said, is that relatively warm water temperatures along the Atlantic seaboard would keep the snowfall totals much lower along the coast and in cities such as Boston. Temperatures should return to the mid-50s by midweek.

"This doesn't mean our winter is going to be terrible," he said. "You can't get any correlation from a two-day event."

Not everyone was lamenting the arrival of winter. Dan Patrylak, 79 of Glastonbury had just moved back to New England from Arizona and was picking up two new ice scrapers for his car. He said he was kind of looking forward to seeing snow on the ground again.

"In Phoenix, it's 113 all summer long," he said. "So, it just depends on where you are and what the weather is and you learn to accept that. Whatever it is, I'm going to be ready for it."

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Facts are stubborn things
06:42 PM on 11/06/2011
National Academy of Sciences, 2010:
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There is a strong, credible body of evidence, based on multiple lines of research, documenting that Earth is warming. Strong evidence also indicates that recent warming is largely caused by human activities, especially the release of greenhouse gases through the burning of fossil fuels.

Global warming is closely associated with other climate changes and impacts, including rising sea levels, increases in intense rainfall events, decreases in snow cover and sea ice, more frequent and intense heat waves, increases in wildfires, longer growing seasons, and ocean acidification. Individually and collectively, these changes pose risks for a wide range of human and environmental systems. While much remains to be learned, the core phenomenon, scientific questions, and hypotheses have been examined thoroughly and have stood firm in the face of serious scientific debate and careful evaluation of alternative explanations.

http://dels.nas.edu/resources/static-assets/materials-based-on-reports/reports-in-brief/Science-Report-Brief-final.pdf
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05:02 PM on 10/29/2011
Weren't these global warming "scientists" all receiving government grants to study climate? Now, in order to keep that grant money from drying up, would you cook up a global warming scheme? That "hockey stick" chart has already been disproven and shat upon. Real meteorologists have almost always said there is no global warming. The Earth has endured many climate cycles long before there were cars. And CO2 wasn't even considered a pollutant until the government decided recently to call it a pollutant. Wasn't it Jimmah Cordah who predicted when he was president that the Earth was going into a cooling cycle?
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Hen Diapheron Heautoi
05:57 PM on 10/29/2011
1. Grants are competitive, and there isn't enough money to fund all research, so bad research doesn't get selected. The boards that give out the money aren't paid to do so. They, like peer reviewers, are volunteers.

2. Grants cover research, not the researcher. If your work isn't great, you don't get published much, and then, you don't get more grants. Which only cover your research.

3. You don't even know what the hockey stick graph means, let alone whether or not "it" (scare quotes because there are many, many, many such graphs accross many disciplines) is correct or not. But feel free to link your assertions to some reputable science on the matter.

4. Meteorologists aren't climatologists. Weather isn't climate. Figure it out. Also, even THIS assertion is false. Most meteorologists DON'T think ACC is false.

5. How many of those climate cycles have WE endured? How about our culture? (Hint: first question, three or four, second question, ZERO). One of those cycles, about 150k ybp reduced our line to a few individuals. We almost went extinct. So whether there are cycles is irrelevant to the discussion of our survival.

6. Cocaine wasn't a drug until the government called it one either. What is your point?

7. Newsweek isn't the President, and "Mission Accomplished".
07:08 PM on 10/29/2011
jj: "..."scientist­s" all receiving government grants to study climate"

Grant money is very competitive and grants are scrutinized carefully. Only a glutten for punishment llikes the review process. But there are salaried climate researchers too. Yes, they get money from government. But tell me, who else would fund such research? No one. I suspect your beef is not with scientists, it is with government ... period.

The "hockey stick" is essentially correct. Realtive flat for thousands of years, then a sudden upturn in the last 100 years. A rise, far faster than we could ever predict. And the only definable forcing? CO2.
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Akhet
Is kind of like 2Pac+Doctor Who
04:19 PM on 10/29/2011
You liberals are wrong, you’ve always been wrong. First it was global warming then it was climint change. See. Flip flop.
See conservatives knew from the beginning that the climate wasn’t changing. And when it became obvious that it was it was ok because cold weather at least meant progressives weren’t right about global warming. Yeah yeah I know. The elitist scientists so called data always pointed out that “global warming” wouldn’t result in hotter weather all the time. But they really should have been more carful with the talking point. Its to late to change it now. They said global warming, the effects we see arnt always hot. So they were wrong.
That simple. (Because simple is always good no matter how complex the subject. See 999)
Fox and rush said theyre was no such thing and they were right. So they must still be right when they say that the change in the climate is not man made. I mean they have a couple Koch/ oil company scientist (who I hate) to back them up. The rest of the vast scientific community is just over educated con men out in cahoots with Gore out for a quick buck.
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Hen Diapheron Heautoi
04:32 PM on 10/29/2011
Then again, if you stepped out of your dichotomy for one second, you'd note how terribly wrong YOU are.

For example, Bush WH spin doctor Frank Luntz is the one who first suggested that POLITICIANS use "climate change" instead of "global warming". Scientists have been using both terms for decades. That's because warming is one possibility of two in the larger set "climate change".

OUCH!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Luntz
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Akhet
Is kind of like 2Pac+Doctor Who
04:39 PM on 10/29/2011
:) wiki really?
Ok what’s the difference between global warming and climate change?
11:49 PM on 10/29/2011
I'm kind of having a hard time telling if you're joking or not.

I sure hope you are!
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donbrown
A television producer in Hawaii
02:04 AM on 10/30/2011
No joke...it's a bagger. You can tell by the spelling. Notice "climint change".

They never graduated fifth grade.

'Bagger for sure...
03:57 PM on 10/29/2011
I remember in 1987 we had 18 inches of snow in Berkshire County Massachusetts on October 4th. That was a bad one because all the leaves were still on the trees and people were without power for days. It's nothing to do with global warming.
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Akhet
Is kind of like 2Pac+Doctor Who
04:23 PM on 10/29/2011
Why because it dosnt exist or its not man made? Your right and the people who study this are wrong?
11:50 PM on 10/29/2011
Well, there's weather, and there's climate.
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Good Googli Moogli
I Pledge Allegiance to the Doobie-puff puff pass
03:43 PM on 10/29/2011
I welcome it...please be careful to all that must be out in it
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03:40 PM on 10/29/2011
I'm in western Massachusetts in a suburb near Springfield. Already have an inch of heavy wet snow on the ground. My larger white hydrangeas and birch trees are already flattened to the ground with only an inch. Tops of huge, tall oak & beeches are already bent way over. Almost hoping for heavy wind now to shake the snow off of them. The longer the wind holds off the worse it will be when it finally arrives. Last time we had a very similar storm like this was in the first week of December 1995. We were out of power for 4 days.
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Hen Diapheron Heautoi
03:50 PM on 10/29/2011
1995 was also a La Nina year.

Funny that.
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emscrs
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03:30 PM on 10/29/2011
We don't really have accurate weather records far enough back in time for meteorologists to make some of the claims I have heard.

My real question is - Why do people run out to buy snow shovels just before every storm? What happened to their old ones?
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Hen Diapheron Heautoi
03:37 PM on 10/29/2011
That's why we have paleoclimatologists. Gasses trapped in ice bubbles, species present in core samples of sediment, tree ring proxies and mollusc shells all record specific climatological information that when combined gives us a very good picture of what the climate was like, year after year, in many locations.

Usually to the degree centigrade.
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DarthVee
No Apologies Accepted. Cash Only.
03:40 PM on 10/29/2011
True that. F&F.
04:07 PM on 10/29/2011
Thier warrantys expired!
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emscrs
Rescue pets.
04:30 PM on 10/29/2011
How stupid of me not to realize!. F&F.
arb24529
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03:27 PM on 10/29/2011
Hey why dont we just take all this snow and ship it off to the parts of the Globe that are too warm. Problem solved. next week,,,,,, how to end the NBA walkout
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03:29 PM on 10/29/2011
Nice plan, jackwagon. Why not just send them cases of bottled water? That's what your snow will be by the time it gets there. Oh, and it's a lockout, not a walkout.
arb24529
Micro Bio? sounds like an abbreviated tweet
03:36 PM on 10/29/2011
OK so no bucket of sarcasm for you this christmas, putting in your order for the lump of coal early?
03:27 PM on 10/29/2011
The good news is that kids will be throwing snowballs instead of eggs this Holloween. Unless of course they throw eggs inside snowballs... or snowballs dripping in raw eggs. Or maybe they still will throw eggs. What time is it? I'm hungry.
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tleon12265
I empty my micro-bio daily. That's why it's empty
03:29 PM on 10/29/2011
Have some eggs and bacon.
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Sam Huston
Fair, Balanced and Informed
03:26 PM on 10/29/2011
Here we go again, the climate alarmists are going to crawl out of the woodwork to claim that this is man made.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
03:38 PM on 10/29/2011
Yes, like all the world's science academies, and over 90% of the world's scientists.

But hey, FOX news says it is bunk. They know all about science.
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Sam Huston
Fair, Balanced and Informed
04:06 PM on 10/29/2011
When the politicians can no longer prop up the AGW fraud, the so called scientist will be held to account.
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WillowBreeze
A smile is your personal welcome mat.
03:25 PM on 10/29/2011
My snow-covered backyard looks pretty, but there’s no first-snowfall-rush because the day is dull and dreary. In a nutshell, this unusual October snowfall sux, and suddenly I hate all of my retired friends in sunny Florida. I wish they could see me flipping them off.
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tleon12265
I empty my micro-bio daily. That's why it's empty
03:30 PM on 10/29/2011
Real estate is a bargain in Florida right now. You should go join your friends. I wish I could.
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WillowBreeze
A smile is your personal welcome mat.
03:34 PM on 10/29/2011
Tleon12265, nice thought but I can't. I have an incurable addiction to my grandchildren and I love making snow angels with them.
06:06 PM on 10/29/2011
I saw that and I am shocked just totaly shocked.
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WillowBreeze
A smile is your personal welcome mat.
01:04 PM on 10/30/2011
Rod: Thank you for the belly laugh. :)
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DennisTheMenance
03:25 PM on 10/29/2011
OH, Here we go again by the Weather people On How Terrible it's going to be..
Notice though? It's In the "HIGHER ELEVATIONS"... LIke Mountains... and In the FAR North...
They get Snow Anytime after Sept.
and A Few Inches everywere else..
Fall has been over around Here for over 2 wks now..

But, they have to hype it, to get the attention that the Sky is Falling and justify their Menial Jobs..
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tleon12265
I empty my micro-bio daily. That's why it's empty
03:31 PM on 10/29/2011
Which "menial jobs" are you referring to, Menace? And what do YOU do for a living?
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Hen Diapheron Heautoi
03:39 PM on 10/29/2011
Superfluous capitals are very convincing.
03:23 PM on 10/29/2011
I'd say an awful lot of people have to much politics on the brain....... I grew up in PA., and my adult life in Ohio, each and every year we had at least 1 snowfall by this very same date , usually a week before this Halloween weekend ! And to hear the so called "meteorologists" are hillarious , talking how the leaves havn't fallen yet..... you have to have this "early" snowfall in order to have an Indian Summer, this is the snowfall that will kill the bacteria on the trees as well.
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Joe Hennes
There is no topic that cannot be discussed calmly
04:22 PM on 10/29/2011
Right now it is actually killing the trees here in Jersey. Wet snow on trees that still have leaves is too heavy. Many of the large branches on the large maple in my back yard have already snapped off and we are supposed to get 8-10 more hours of heavy snow.
03:23 PM on 10/29/2011
My best friend, who lives in White Plains, NY, called this morning to tell me she was shoveling snow. It had just started, and they already had 3 inches. She said it was the first time she had seen snow on Halloween decorations in all the years she has been there.
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joanmalt914
respect others' opinions
03:19 PM on 10/29/2011
Formally from Connecticut, I have been very happy living here in the Ohio River Valley. Four seasons here, but oh so mild! Best wishes and safety to New Englander's.
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DennisTheMenance
03:31 PM on 10/29/2011
YES and They are Saying A Below Normal Temps and Higher Than Normal Snow for the Whole North Eastern Seaboard... !
And you bets get down here to Fla ASAP- The Hoelts Rooms, Mobile Homes and Campsites are filling up fast with Winter Birds!
PRICES already Up 25% for everything and expect them to go up another +25% by Jan..