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Palestine Statehood Bid: Bosnia Abstaining May Signify End To Vote

Palestine Statehood Bid Bosnia

AIDA CERKEZ   10/31/11 11:53 AM ET   AP

SARAJEVO, Bosnia-Herzegovina — Palestinian hopes of rallying the required nine vote majority in a U.N. Security Council vote on Palestinian statehood suffered a major blow Monday with a Bosnian presidential adviser saying the country will be forced to abstain.

Palestinian officials have said they already have eight votes, and had counted heavily on Bosnia to give them the ninth.

The United States has promised to veto the measure in any case. But the Palestinians had hoped to win enough support to trigger the veto, which would have embarrassed the U.S. by forcing it to go against the will of the international community.

Dzenan Selimbegovic, an adviser to the three-member presidency, said Monday that because the trio still disagrees on the issue, there is no official stand and the chance of someone changing his mind is "theoretical."

"Officially the presidency has no position and if there is no position then the Bosnian ambassador to the U.N. has no position," he told The Associated Press.

Selimbegovic said the presidency will be left with no choice than to abstain.

The three presidents had to agree in order for Bosnia to vote. So far the Muslim Bosniak leader supports the bid, the Serb member is pro-Israeli and the Croat member has not yet not clearly stated his position. The three members have to agree on a common policy or abstain.

With peace talks stalled for the past three years, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas asked the Security Council in September to admit the Palestinians as a full member state. The Palestinians say that although any vote will not end Israel's occupation of lands they claim, they believe a strong international endorsement would boost their position in future negotiations.

The U.S. and Israel have argued that peace can be achieved only through negotiations.

The Palestinians have been trying to arrange a Nov. 11 vote in the Security Council, though Abbas acknowledged in an interview on Israeli TV last week that he might not be able to muster nine votes.

Last week both the Israeli and Palestinian foreign ministers visited Bosnia to lobby for their cause, but the stands of both Bosniak and Serb members remained unchanged.

Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman additionally visited the Bosnian Serb stronghold of Banja Luka where decisions are made on how the Serbs will vote in joint state institutions.

The leader of the Bosnian Serbs and president of their mini-state, Milorad Dodik, said after the meeting that the Serb representatives in the central institutions are against the possibility of Bosnia voting at the Security Council for the Palestinian bid.

He added that he now expects Bosnian Serbs and Israel to strengthen economic ties and work on tourism and agriculture.

Lieberman, a Russian speaker who was born in Moldova, was on his second visit to the Bosnian Serbs this year, and spent several days of his vacation in the Bosnian Serb part of the country.

In the West Bank town of Ramallah, seat of the Palestinian government, Orthodox, Catholic and Muslim clergymen held a news conference on Monday urging Bosnia to reconsider its Security Council position.

"I was shocked today when I received the statement saying the Serbian president of Bosnia rejected recognition of Palestine," said Orthodox Archbishop Atallah Hana.

"I assume the Serbian president of Bosnia would represent the morals of the Orthodox Church, which always stood beside the oppressed in the world."

Palestinian Foreign Minister Riad Malki told reporters in late September that the membership bid has support so far from eight Security Council members: Russia, China, India, South Africa, Brazil, Lebanon, Nigeria and Gabon. He said the Palestinians are lobbying for more votes, including from Bosnia and Colombia.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas visited Colombia on Oct. 11 and was told by President Juan Manuel Santos that Colombia will only recognize a Palestinian state that has been established through negotiations with Israel, leaving Bosnia as the likely key to a ninth "yes" vote.

The Palestinians did, however, become a full member of UNESCO on Monday, in a highly divisive move that could cost the agency a fifth of its budget and that the U.S. and other opponents say could harm renewed Mideast peace efforts.

Bosnia abstained from the vote.

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Mohammed Daraghmeh contributed to this story from Ramallah

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11:18 PM on 11/02/2011
Maybe it has something to do with the close relationship between milosevic and arafat. The croats, albanians, bosnians, etc haven't forgotten that.
06:36 PM on 11/02/2011
Enough with your fatuous lies and hatred

there is NO occupation there are NO illegal settlements-and u can stick these comments up yer jacksie cos u have NEVER proved EVER that the areas in question are anything but DISPUTED TERRITORY

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Nwo2012
Sue me, I boycott products from the settlements
08:21 AM on 11/03/2011
Palestine has always belonged to Palestinians. israel has no claim to it and never has.

Be happy with what you've got instead of coveting other peoples land and property that you don't even need. The greed of the settler movement will destroy israel.
08:49 AM on 11/03/2011
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahh wow even for u thats a huge utter dollop of drivel

where do i begin: "It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria". - said to the UN Security Council in 1956 by Ahmed Shukeiry, who later founded the PLO

"There is no such country (as Palestine)¬! Palestine is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria." - told to the Peel Commission in 1937 by Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi¬, a local Arab leader.

"The Palestinia¬n people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinia¬n state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians¬, Palestinia¬ns, Syrians and Lebanese...the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."--¬Zuheir Mohsen, from March 1977 interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw.

now: Please for the record give us the history of both the "country" Palestine and the "Palestini¬an People".
What was their system of government¬? Their own language? Their currency? The exchange rate? Their Kings? Their rituals and unique traditions¬? Their borders? A history of conflicts and treaties? Their laws? Their court system?
proof evidence back it up Terrorist apologist-or is it just more fatuous hot air? CUMMON LIAR I CANT HEAR YOU????
Thought so!
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Nwo2012
Sue me, I boycott products from the settlements
10:19 AM on 11/03/2011
have you ever noticed that the less someone knows, the louder they know it?
12:02 PM on 11/03/2011
deflect deflect

NOTHING NADA ZILTCH

do u know it is sometimes better to remain silent lest u be considered a fool than to open ur trap and have it confirmed
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Rooster Coburn
Less Gov't + More Responsibility = A Better World
03:34 PM on 11/02/2011
I would suggest that the Palestinian Authority declare the state of Palestine to be a libertarian state in every respect and area of governmental action and authority. Libertarianism = The thinking man & woman's liberalism!
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NTT
Fighting rants with facts
01:15 PM on 11/02/2011
>>>"I assume the Serbian president of Bosnia would represent the morals of the Orthodox Church, which always stood beside the oppressed in the world."

REALLY?? Did His Eminence ever hear about Orthodox Church-inspired (and Orthodox priest-led) pogroms in the Russian Empire, in which tens of thousands of Jews were killed?

See for instance the following fragment from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Jewish_pogroms_in_the_Russian_Empire#1903-1906 :

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The New York Times described the First Kishinev pogrom of Easter, 1903:

"The anti-Jewish riots in Kishinev, Bessarabia [modern Moldova], are worse than the censor will permit to publish. There was a well laid-out plan for the general massacre of Jews on the day following the Orthodox Easter. The mob was led by priests, and the general cry, "Kill the Jews," was taken up all over the city. The Jews were taken wholly unaware and were slaughtered like sheep. The dead number 120 [Note: the actual number of dead was 47–48[10]] and the injured about 500. The scenes of horror attending this massacre are beyond description. Babies were literally torn to pieces by the frenzied and bloodthirsty mob. The local police made no attempt to check the reign of terror. At sunset the streets were piled with corpses and wounded. Those who could make their escape fled in terror, and the city is now practically deserted of Jews."
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skialethia
αω vs military might
03:36 AM on 11/02/2011
Well of course the Serb element of the Bosnian government will be responsible for the SC's denial of Palestinian Statehood. The Serbs are specialists when it comes to ethnic cleansing! They have loads in common with Israelis.
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09:29 AM on 11/02/2011
...but more in common with the Arabs, who ethnically cleansed the entire Middle East of Jews and then played the victims.
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AJ Raalte
Israel forever - warts and all.
01:38 PM on 11/02/2011
Stop vilifying the Serbs, Skia! The truth is that ALL sides in the Yugo CIVIL war were guilty of "expertise in ethnic cleansing", NOT only the Serbs.

And Israel has done VERY LITTLE ethnic cleansing, and - in fact - a LOT LESS than the Arabs.
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Trollstein
Once you go Schwartz, you never go back baby
10:28 PM on 11/01/2011
Poetic, as nature intended it. Had the Pal/Arabs gotten the 9 yo votes, there is no absolute guarantee that the USA would have been the first or only veto.
But a UN that is composed of members that each have one vote, regardless of population, and regardless of human rights has no business superposing one (favored) group over the claimed and defacto borders of an existing member-nation. What if by some fluke, some day the Security Council has a stong pro-Israel membership? Can the UNSC at that point vote to give Medina (Saudi Arabia) back to the Jews (which group founded that town)?
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Nwo2012
Sue me, I boycott products from the settlements
11:44 PM on 11/01/2011
Are you seriously claiming the state of israel has a claim to land anywhere Jews have lived and can add it to its borders?

Absurd.
Rosin the Bow
Hail to the Victors Valiant
09:14 AM on 11/02/2011
Is that what the Palestinians do to determine what is "their land"?
01:20 PM on 11/02/2011
Not Israel. Jews.Just in case you didn't know it, not all Jews are Israelis and not all Israelis are Jews.
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skialethia
αω vs military might
03:39 AM on 11/02/2011
Your logic belongs in a parallel universe devoid of reality and any shred of truth.
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cosmiczulu
let the good times roll
09:33 PM on 11/01/2011
It would be nice if after 60 years of hatred the Arabs actually sit down with Israel for the purpose of negotiating peace . It could all be resolved in a couple of days if they really want peace.
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skialethia
αω vs military might
03:41 AM on 11/02/2011
A couple of days? And you expect us to take anything you say seriously? LOL! Israel sat down for one reason only: to buy decades of time to STEAL ALL THE LAND IT COULD.
11:20 PM on 11/02/2011
Israel has not expanded their borders since 1967 and has, since that time, withdrawn from the sinai, south lebanon, and gaza.
03:21 PM on 11/01/2011
What is this UNESCO handout for? No wonder we are in economic disintegration. We are handing out money for the whole world while most of our Congress is fired up about closing down Medicare and SS for our own people. How about the tax entitlements for the wealthy and corporations who are really NOT entitled. What is it that makes them so needy and greedy. Palestine is just one less leech-how about all the others?
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Nwo2012
Sue me, I boycott products from the settlements
06:56 PM on 11/01/2011
The money is to fund UNESCO not Palestine.
08:05 PM on 11/02/2011
UN, UNESCO, Palestine what's the difference? They are all corrupt and led by terrorists.
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02:45 PM on 11/01/2011
And so the Bosnian Serbs and the Israelis are idealogical allies. Very ironic, in a sort of tragic and twisted way.
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AJ Raalte
Israel forever - warts and all.
03:59 PM on 11/01/2011
And both peoples know what it is to be vilified by the MSM for defending themselves.
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03:00 AM on 11/02/2011
LOL @ singing praises for Bosnian Serbs for supporting occupation. Yep Sabra, Gaza and Srebrenica are just figments of MSM's imagination. Keep looking at the world upside, as Israel gets more isolated in the world. Maybe if apartheid south africa was still around Israel would have its vote too!
02:17 PM on 11/01/2011
AQ Khan-a Muslim- sold 'how to build a nuclear war head'; secrets to both Iran and N Korea-the two worst countries on the planet

the Muslim Assad plants land mines to keep his brothers in place

Muslims are slaughtering Muslims in Kenya , Sudan, Syria

Muslims sisters cant drive in S. Arabia far less vote

Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt get bloggers jailed-or worse

Us infidels better watch out as I fear we're next
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Nwo2012
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04:42 PM on 11/01/2011
Not now, Henny Penny.
05:28 PM on 11/01/2011
first they came for the Jews Pal(ly)
05:29 PM on 11/01/2011
over to you Henry Ford..
02:11 PM on 11/01/2011
so where is this mythical nuPalestine-the only country in the universe without any borders???
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Nwo2012
Sue me, I boycott products from the settlements
04:43 PM on 11/01/2011
Where are israels borders located?
05:28 PM on 11/01/2011
grab a map-but not one in Gaza, or parts of Judea or Samaria-the Arabs occupying there dont list Israel
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discocapper
Israel Only Fires Back!
11:40 PM on 11/01/2011
Wherever they want them. Fortunately for those who spout myth Israel is not expanding, yet still waiting for the Pals to negotiate the terms that will bring peace and final borders. The Pals are lucky Israel has so much patience.
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JJovana
Live & let live
01:00 PM on 11/01/2011
Christians are no angels, and we have our share of bad apples, but Islam as a whole is a very very dangerous and violent religion that should be on CONSTANT watch.

It brings nothing but destruction and death to the countries it occupies.
03:10 PM on 11/01/2011
Really! Do I smell racism ... oh ... yes I do. So everybody, every Muslim is bad? Bigot!
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AJ Raalte
Israel forever - warts and all.
04:03 PM on 11/01/2011
Nothing racist about an accurate assessment of an religious ideology, Casey!
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cosmiczulu
let the good times roll
09:37 PM on 11/01/2011
there are good and bad amongst all people, he is speaking of Islam and it's history.
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AJ Raalte
Israel forever - warts and all.
04:03 PM on 11/01/2011
Well said, JJ.

F&F
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12:05 PM on 11/01/2011
Shekles to donuts, the Serbian member of the trio was bought off.
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AJ Raalte
Israel forever - warts and all.
04:04 PM on 11/01/2011
More likely the other two were bullied.
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thegreenzones
Jerusalem belongs to Palestine.
09:57 AM on 11/01/2011
If Bosnia vetoes Palestine, I'll never forget. Bosnia will always be an enemy.
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02:13 PM on 11/01/2011
greenZ = known JEWHATER, banned fairwayhill

GO BOSNIA

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