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Anthony Wolf On Why Teenagers And Parents Fight -- And How To Get Along Better

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First Posted: 11/02/2011 1:34 pm Updated: 01/02/2012 4:12 am

In the contest for best parenting book titles, Anthony Wolf would win hands down. Admit it, you have bought some just for those titles: Get Out of My Life, but First Could You Drive Me & Cheryl to the Mall? or Mom, Jason's Breathing on Me! or It's Not Fair, Jeremy Spencer's Parents Let Him Stay Up All Night! (Wolf, a psychologist, is the reason the parenting shelves of bookstores are filled with exclamation points and quips, as the trend he started now includes such entries as Don't Tell Me What to Do, Just Send Money , by Helen E. Johnson and Christine Schelhas-Miller about parenting college students, and Do I Get my Allowance Before or After I'm Grounded? by Vaessa van Patten, a teenager herself, whose website Radicalparenting.com looks at parenting from the parentees point of view.

Wolf's latest, I'd Listen to My Parents If They Would Just Shut Up: What to Say and Not Say When Parenting Teens was released yesterday, and we have a excerpt for you, below, today.

It is a guide to steering those "You can’t make me" conversations in a better direction; but in addition to the how-to advice, it raises a fascinating meta-theory about why this generation seems to fight back so often. Much of what parents hear as obnoxious teen responses, he argues, is really the expected result of new and improved parenting. Our kids, he says, don't fear us as we did our parents, and all this talking back and bickering is what lack of fear sounds like.


This, he assures us, is a good thing. Oh would it make it easier to think so.

Take a read and decide for yourself.

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I'D LISTEN TO MY PARENTS IF THEY'D JUST SHUT UP
By Anthony Wolf

As a child psychologist I often hear parents of teenagers express their frustrations over the way that their children talk to them. They are utterly bewildered by how argumentative their children can be compared to past generations of kids.

By way of example, here's a typical parent-child interaction in the 1950s:

"James, would you please take the trash out to the curb?"

"Sure thing, Mom."

And a typical parent-child interaction today:

"James, would you please take the trash out to the curb?"

"Mom, I'm really tired. I'll do it later."

"No, James—I want it done now."

"Why does everything have to be when you want it? I'm not your slave."

"Why do you always have to give me a hard time whenever I ask you to do something?"

"Why do you always have to give me a hard time?"

Invariably today's parents think, He is so disrespectful. He talks back to me all the time. What is his problem? What am I doing wrong?

Although the latter, less-than-pleasant variation of an age-old conversation has been going on for just about half a century, parents still don't get it -- there is one significant reason why teens today are not as immediately obedient and talk back to their parents in a way that was unthinkable just a few decades ago. Simply put, this generation is not afraid of their parents. And there is one important reason why this is true: we parents no longer use harsh punishment when raising our children. There are no more hard smacks across the face or use of a switch or belt. All of that is now considered child abuse.

This move away from harsh punishment was an excellent change for kids and adults, a real step forward for the whole human race. We -- at least most of us -- now believe that while harsh punishment may have produced behavior that was better for the moment, overall, as a regular part of child raising, it makes a child more, not less, likely to treat others harshly.

This changed attitude toward harsh punishment represents a whole new view of parenting and child development. Let me give an example.

Imagine that a mother is with her six-year-old daughter and eight-year-old son. The two children start bickering. The bickering escalates to the point where the boy hits his sister on the arm, causing her to cry. Their mother intervenes.

She smacks her son sharply on the arm.

"Don't hit your sister," says the boy's mother. "Do you understand? DON'T . . . HIT . . . YOUR . . . SISTER." And the boy's mother punctuates each word with a smack. There, that will teach him, she says to herself.

Not long ago, most people watching that scene would have probably agreed: "Yeah, that will teach him."

But today we recognize that yes, that will teach him all right -- it will teach him that if he wants to hit his sister, he had better not do it when his mother is watching. We also recognize that if this is his mother's typical parenting style, the boy will ultimately be more, not less, likely to become a hitter himself. Having been hit, the hitting becomes a part of him. For unlike in the past, we now believe that it is not only what you say to a child, but also how you treat him that shapes a child's behavior and who he becomes in the future.

This new way of looking at child development has caused the revolution in parenting that has now produced almost two generations of children who are not afraid of their parents. This really is a brand-new phenomenon in the history of parenting.

I strongly believe that that the children reared in this new school of thought have gone on to become kinder and gentler people as a result. Not everybody agrees, of course, as continual back talk can be difficult to deal with. But it is where we are in our parenting evolution to date, and where this book picks up in an effort to move our progress even further along.

As I said, today's kids do not fear their parents. And big surprise: when children are not afraid of their parents they talk back far more frequently and are not nearly as obedient to a degree that we never could have imagined just a couple of generations ago.

Well, duh! What did we think was going to happen? Children today do not behave at all like previous generations because the main leverage parents had over them in the past has been removed from the parenting arsenal. Yet despite this seemingly obvious point, today's parents still expect their kids to behave in a way that is only possible when using methods that were sensibly abandoned two generations ago. Essentially, the standard for proper child behavior never changed even though parenting practices did change. These days, when children don't behave the way they are expected to (which is inevitable when harsh punishment is removed from child rearing practices), parents feel that they have somehow failed.

I don't understand. I do my best. But it obviously isn't good enough...

Not only do today's parents have unrealistic expectations for their kids' behavior, but in their never-ending attempts to get their kids to live up to outmoded standards, they are also holding themselves to unrealistic standards...and inadvertently making matters worse, not better.

"Alexander, please try to remember not to track mud through the kitchen."

"You're always yelling at me about something."

"I don't always yell at you. I just don't want mud tracked into the kitchen."

"You're a neat freak. You don't know what it's like living in this house. Would you get off my case. Please."

"Alexander, don't talk to me that way."

"What way?"

"Listen to your words. Listen to your tone of voice. It is so disrespectful. A teenager shouldn't talk to his parents that way."

"I'm not talking to you in any way. You're the one who's disrespecting me."

"I'm not disrespecting you."

"Yeah, you are. You're always nagging at me about something -- like now, for instance."

Why would anyone want to continue interacting with someone who is exceedingly unpleasant? What is the most reasonable and logical response to that behavior? I believe the answer is that you would want to end that kind of interaction as fast as you can. Certainly, what you would not want to do is prolong the agony by continuing a fruitless discussion, as that would only fan the fire. Yet this is exactly what parents of today's teenagers repeatedly do -- this, and so many other things that cause themselves and their kids' great frustration. I see it all the time in my practice, which is why I'm now offering up hope and some practical tips to help you deal with the day-to-day challenges we all face when raising teens.

From I'D LISTEN TO MY PARENTS IF THEY'D JUST SHUT UP by Anthony E. Wolf, Ph.D. Copyright © 2011 by Anthony E. Wolf, Ph.D.. Reprinted by permission of Harper Paperbacks, an imprint of HarperCollins Publishers

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kidjudas
My Governor is not smarter than a 5th grader
01:29 PM on 11/09/2011
you don't have to beat kids. just take away wireless or ipods or cellphones for a day. after a few times, they will listen to you. the world is pretty easy to get around in without any of those items yet to a teenager, it's painful.
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Mr Anonymous
Mumpsimus, I am not entertained!
01:58 PM on 11/07/2011
So now its good for teenagers to talk back and fight even more instead of listening and doing as they're told?

Why is it that the things that got people to where they are today aren't good enough for their kids?
Unless you're able to easily admit that your life is horrible and you can't function in society because of the horrible parenting/lack there of/abuse that occured, because of your parents, then maybe you shouldn't change it up so much.
12:46 PM on 11/06/2011
Wow. When I read the examples in this article, I kept thinking "God, if I had talked back to Mum and Dad like that, I WOULD HAVE FELT SO BAD"

And I think THAT is the whole point. Talking back to someone (even a parent-who-doesn't-understand/respect/listen-to-you-enough) in such a way is just plain disrespectful and rude. You don't live to be a smart a** or to "out-smart" people. And when you act rude, mean or petty, you're rude, mean and petty (even if you are a poor teenager whose feeeeeeeeeeelings aren't taken into account enough).

To want your children to listen to you and to help around the house are not "unrealistic expectations for kids' behavior", neither "outmoded standards", it's basic expectations that shouldn't be negociated.

The only cases when being horrible is "justified" is when the parents are actually bad parents, who mistreat their kids/teenagers, hurt them or are neglectful. But it's not the case here.
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Vintage59
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09:48 PM on 11/03/2011
No one has ever brought their adolescent to me and sought my advice on how to handle them. Troubled teens came to the section of their favorite website to those of us who had volunteered to help them out handling situations they hadn't encountered before because they wanted to so this may explain some of the differences.

In any case the most bitter complaints came from teens that had to be the adult in the room. Hypocrisy came in second but their was quite a bit of overlap.

My own mother didn't hesitate to deal out corporal punishment and we talked back to her all the time. I'm so glad to hear you grew up in a Father Knows Best environment. Parents often don't respect the fact that adolescents are not children and that is reinforced by our society all the time. Then we wonder why our eighteen year olds can't function as adults. It's a long journey from childhood to adulthood and we have to help them by not holding them back. That's awfully hard to do, I know, but it is essential to respect their actual age instead of expecting them to an idealized version of our own youth while treating them like they are several years younger than their true age.
08:16 PM on 11/03/2011
Here's where I think parents go wrong sometimes. Because teens don't always follow our "rules" and shrug at punishments (if I can't use the car keys, I'll walk.) some parents just give up. But I believe it is best to keep setting limits and letting your kid know of your displeasure. On some level it sinks in. Often, it puts a parental fence around their behavior so they only go so far in their rebellion. A kid whose parent lectures and takes away car keys if there's drinking, is likely to have that parental voice in the back of his or her mind, like it or not. They may still drink, but less than friends whose parents have "given up." I also think it's important to continue to praise teens. Often, the relationship becomes so adversarial that teens stop feeling valued by their parents, which makes everything worse. It's easier to talk to a parent who offers praise when appropriate and is optimistic about your future and your abilities. Don't stop being a parent just because they seem to stop caring what you have to say.
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Fran Jaime
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01:28 AM on 11/06/2011
That's so true! I was talking to a friend last night and she says she's ready to give up on her daughter. I told her that, while I get that sometimes it is frustrating, giving up is just not an option. I know her daughter. She's a good kid but just from seeing their interaction, I can see she feels like she can't get a word in edgewise! Her parents talk and talk and talk and finish with an ultimatum without ever hearing what their daughter has to say! I tried to tell my friend this but, she's just not listening! Sad!
02:31 PM on 11/03/2011
I was in a parent teacher conference yesterday explaining this exact phenomenon. I have attempted to use reason instead of fear and have found it wanting... Maybe because I'm attempting to control a being who has a free will just like me. I love my 16 year old and make every attempt to communicate honestly and compassionately with him. My fear is he will decide that he is tired of trying to meet my expectations say," Fcuk it" and turn to the darker, fun side as I had done and then I'm finished. I attempt to breath, realize when we are going no where and place some time and reflection between our next bout. And of course ask myself is it more important to me be right or happy.
04:31 PM on 11/03/2011
Your "reason" may not be reasonable to your son. The fact that you turned to the "darker, fun side" should make it even more evident to you that youth are going to experiement and push the boundaries. It makes them profoundly more engaged and worldly. However, if he's going to be doing harm to himself and others, then you've got the duty to step on in.

You can sit down with him and ask to brainstorm with him. "Look, your education is important to me and I know your freedom and friends are important to you. Let's figure something out where we both get what's important to us."

You'd be amazed at what happens. Kids will throw out, "I could text you by 10 if I'm going to be late." You add, "Okay, 10 at the latest. But if you don't, we take an hour off your curfew for two weeks." And so on...

He shouldn't be trying to meet your expectations, but rather find a life within the parameters you set. Ask yourself what you can let go of (pants hanging low bearable? dirty room?), and ask yourself what's not negotiable. Try making a list of thirty things that bug you, then take at least 25 of them off that list if possible. Look at the remaining things that you MUST see him honor.

Using reason for a youth whose ability to see reasonable ramifications hasn't yet developed is a battle best left unfought.
12:18 PM on 11/03/2011
Parents who lose, should lose. A child who can out-think a parent, confuse a parent, or out-argue a parent is simply smarter than the parent.
01:56 PM on 11/03/2011
You sound like a smart teen. :) Parents who work 60 hours a week can easily be worn down by their kids, who simply have a lot more energy (and make us all proud with how bright they are!). I am all for negotiating with young people when they make a good argument. But there really is wisdom that comes with age. A good arguer can win a fight even if, in real life, their POV won't get them to successful outcomes. 40 years' life experience vs. 15 years...who has the more informed perspective?

Communication is great, but boundaries make the world go round. We all live within them. It's the price you pay for being in a civilized society. Sometimes you don't get along with your co-worker or your boss. Sometimes what goes on with other family members isn't "fair" and you've got the iron-clad argument to prove it. But you learn to deal and choose your battles, staying focused on what you want and need most. This is something that can only be taught by example. So...I don't engage on every battle with my kids. Sometimes, like when they have a test in the morning, I am not available for negotiations. It's time for me, as a responsible parent, to shut the bedroom door, turn off the light, and tell them to get to sleep. And if they don't, there will be consequences they won't like. End of discussion.
04:59 PM on 11/03/2011
Parents control the money, the house, and the food. A parent who cannot out-negotiate a teen should have gotten a dog.
11:44 AM on 11/03/2011
Alexander told his parent that he doesn't feel respected. Is that a moment to shut down the conversation, really?

Of course, the advice given is - on its face - compassionate. But (and I say this as a mediator and runaway/throwaway youth specialist), could it also be inadvertently dismissive? Did Alexander mean that being asked to take the garbage out was disrespectful, or that there are other important issues looming that need some airing?

I've never grounded or spanked my kids. We talk. Have lost my temper at times, shown patience at other times, apologized some, stood my ground other times.

Yet there's nothing wrong with being introspective about what my contribution to each conflict is. Bottom line, I don't compromise adult values, and I expect that my kids know their values are honored as well. Rules that can be revisted ARE revisted as the children grow.

Just as a mama cat turns around and nips the heck out of the kitten she was cuddling the previous day - so too must we enter the weaning process. The parent-teen relationship is necessarily rife with these clarifying and transformative moments.

Frankly, as we prepare to send each off to college (?), we should be at the door waving, "It's good that you're leaving. We're both ready. Stay in touch! But not too much."

It prepares us to empty our nests without having nervous breakdowns. Being honest about conflict and its uses (and limitations) is a great place to start.
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JScott
John Galt's last name is McGuffin-Smithee
11:08 AM on 11/03/2011
Yup I've seen it a lot-when in a restaurant you know which parents failed to 'parent' the kids are unpleasant and unruly and it's probably quite an ordeal to go out to eat or shopping etc. but then you see other families who have well behaved kids and they are having a good time.

As for the tracking mud in the kitchen scenario, seems to me the easier solution would be to stop right there in the service porch, you can't come in until the shoes are off.

And the take out the trash bit-jeez make it a chore that the kids are assigned-then they know it's expected on every trash day and they they see the consequences if they don't-full wastebaskets.
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LisaLisa1234
10:49 AM on 11/03/2011
From my experience in counseling families and raising my own children, one key to having a (mostly) respectful teenager is to expect respect when the child is very young. The younger the child, the firmer the boundaries. As the child gets older, s/he is allowed more choices, in order to encourage independent thought. I say "mostly" because no teenager will be respectful 100% of the time.

At the moment, using the garbage example, I ask them to take the garbage out, they respond "yes, ma'am"--most of the time. The other times, I get a sigh, or dragging feet...but never "I'll do it later". Sometimes, however, I do get "is it okay if I do it after such and such"? Sometimes my answer is yes, sometimes no, depending on the reason for waiting. And then it gets done. And our kids realize the world didn't stop because they had to stop what they were doing and take out the trash. If my son were to say "I'm not your slave", I would respond with a reminder that he has nothing without the hard work of his parents, and that he is privileged to live in this house, and each of us has a part in it running smoothly.

My husband and I don't want our children to respect us so we'll be respected; we want gratitude, humility and respect for others to become part of who they are. We can only hope that our efforts succeed.
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Leonor Fontes
09:55 AM on 11/03/2011
this article doesn't say anything to help parents, anything at all, it's just an ad for people to buy the book.
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Judy Silk
11:28 AM on 11/03/2011
You took the words right out of my mouth. I expect more out of book reviews than this kind of pure plug.
08:01 PM on 11/03/2011
I was thinking the same thing. And the headline is misleading because it suggests that some advice is coming up.
09:50 AM on 11/03/2011
Parents control the money, the house, and the food. A parent who cannot prevail over a teenager in any discussion should have gotten a dog.
08:57 AM on 11/03/2011
I found the excerpt from Anthony Wolf really unsettling. He presents two opposite ends of the spectrum, effectively saying as follows, "In the past, the pendulum swung too far to one side with parents wrongly using corporal punishment. Now that good parents don't use corporal punishment, it's only natural and okay that the pendulum has swung in the completely opposite direction. Of course, children are disrespectful. Just don't get stuck in long interactions with them." Contrary to the author's apparent thesis, there has to be a way to raise respectful children without engendering fear. I can't believe he's correct on this.
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obamich44
“There is no sin except stupidity.”
10:30 AM on 11/03/2011
I think it's more of a marketing or promotional tactic to get people to buy the book. He's basically saying that he has great advice on how to work this out, but it's in his book.
04:37 PM on 11/03/2011
Yes, yes.

There are ways to raise respectful children without showing them you're to be feared...or else.

There are plenty of good parents out there who don't beat their kids into submission and who don't tread in fear of destroying their self-esteem.

Silliness, all this oversimplification.
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Kelzie01
12:44 AM on 11/03/2011
I was smacked once as a teenager for talking back. Guess how many times I talked back? Once. And I adore my mom today. Old parenting techniques aren't as extreme as people think.
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pflickner
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01:04 AM on 11/03/2011
I had my television privileges removed for two weeks for talking back to my mother. Guess how many times I talked back? Once. And I adore my mother (and I'm 54). Old parenting techniques are extreme and unnecessary. If you have to hit someone to make them do what you want them to do, then your ability to think rationally is compromised.
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Kelzie01
01:12 AM on 11/03/2011
Do you normally go around insulting people's mothers? Very poor manners, not to mention judgmental.
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liberalarmyfamily
let them eat blue velvet cake!
03:43 AM on 11/03/2011
You look pretty old school. Do you know how ineffective it is today to ground your kid from tv in today's electronic age?
It does NOTHING....
Shoot they can't even do homework without the computer because their textbooks are literally ONLINE!
So TV, shoot, a lot of kids don't even watch TV any longer.
I'm a parent of a teen and I don't hit but I've tried it all and nothing really works.
But to hear you put this lady down for her mother's parenting technique while you provide an antiquated example of a "better" technique prompted me to respond.
05:24 PM on 11/03/2011
Amen, I was smacked a few times by my mom for talking back and spanked by my father a few times for getting out of line. According to Wolfs book I should be out beating people because my parents beat me. LOL, Where does this quack get his info?

I am a well adjusted adult who is raising respectful children of his own and yes I do spank my kids when the cross the line. My children know where that line is. They also know what is expected of them.

I remember some thing my dad use to say to me,"Every child should have a little healthy fear of his parents."
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Mr Anonymous
Mumpsimus, I am not entertained!
08:23 PM on 11/02/2011
I have just one rule to parenting, that's right, just one: Don't be your child's friend, be their parent.

If you can wrap your head around that concept, then you should do alright figuring out the rest.