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Romney's Mormonism To Be A Bigger Issue In The General Election, Say Evangelicals

First Posted: 11/02/2011 9:22 am Updated: 02/03/2012 2:28 pm

WASHINGTON -- The loudest objections to Mitt Romney's Mormonism have not yet been raised, according to evangelical leaders and conservatives.

One month ago, an attack on Romney's faith by a Texas pastor supporting Texas Gov. Rick Perry renewed talk that Romney, who was a high-ranking official in the Mormon church from 1981 to 1994, would lose large chunks of the evangelical vote because of his faith.

That may prove true in Iowa, the first state in the Republican presidential primary process. And Romney's faith does give many protestants pause. But polls, and evangelical leaders, tell another story: If the former Massachusetts governor is the Republican nominee, his faith may be attacked and questioned more aggressively by liberals in the general election than it has been by conservatives in the primary.

"I assume that given the early signs of what an Obama campaign is going to look like, with this class warfare stuff, that every tactic imaginable will be used by the Obama campaign, including attacking the religion of his opponent," said Gary Bauer, president of American Values and a long time leader in the social conservative movement.

Other prominent evangelical leaders told The Huffington Post that they believe Romney will be ambushed by the press.

"The major networks are heavily invested in Barack Obama's reelection," said Richard Land, a leader with the Southern Baptist Convention who heads its ethics and religious liberty commission.

"And they're all going to run detailed specials, now that we have the first Mormon nominee for president: 'What does the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints believe?' And they're going to go into all the beliefs of Mormonism, hoping to scare the 40 percent of independents who make up the decisive vote in the electorate to not vote for someone who believes such things."

Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, agreed.

"I think the media, and the American public via the media, will know all they want to know about Mormonism," Perkins said. "I think the left-leaning media that is sympathetic to the president will try to drive a wedge deeper between him and social conservatives."

The flip side of these predictions, if they come true, is that these evangelical leaders, along with pastors across the country, would be put in the unlikely position of defending a Mormon candidate who many of them have eyed with deep suspicion for years.

"Do not underestimate the unique ability of Barack Obama to unify social conservatives. It's unique," said Land. "He's the most liberal man to ever be in the White House."

Michael Gerson, former White House speechwriter for George W. Bush, wrote on Oct. 3 that "if Romney looks like the likely nominee, mainstream religious conservatives are more likely to build bridges than torch them."

"But even though conservative objections to Romney's Mormonism are likely to diminish, criticism by secular liberals is likely to blossom," Gerson wrote.

The Obama campaign said they would take no part in any criticism of Romney's religious beliefs.

"Attacking a candidate's religion is out of bounds, and our campaign will not engage in it," Ben Labolt, the spokesman for Obama's reelection campaign, told HuffPost.

But many conservatives saw references by unnamed Obama officials to Romney as "weird" over the summer as a way of playing the religion card from the bottom of the deck, and believed it was an indicator of what was to come. Top Romney backers are certain that the Republican's religion will be a major target if he is the nominee.

And there is a good reason to believe this will be the case. Conservative Christians have issues with Mormons on theological grounds, but are coming to the realization that they share public policy goals for the most part. On the other hand, the fight over gay marriage in California -- where Mormons played a big role in overturning the state Supreme Court's decision to legalize it -- demonstrated to liberals that the Latter Day Saints are not their allies in the political arena.

Polls have shown this shift is taking place. The Pew Research Center for People and the Press reported in May that "more Democrats than Republicans say they would be less likely to support a Mormon candidate."

"Liberal Democrats stand out, with 41 percent saying they would be less likely to support a Mormon candidate. Only about a quarter or fewer in other groups say this," the Pew report stated.

A Gallup poll in June found 27 percent of Democrats said they "would not support a Mormon for president," while 20 percent of Republicans and Independents said the same.

Similarly, an Oct. 11 Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll reported that 66 percent of GOP primary voters are "comfortable with Mitt Romney and that his religious beliefs will not interfere with his decisions as president," while 13 percent did "not feel comfortable with Mitt Romney and worry his religious beliefs will interfere with his decisions as president."

But when the pool of respondents was broadened beyond Republicans to include all voters, the number of voters "comfortable" with Romney went down 19 points to 47 percent, and the number of people not comfortable with him went up to 21 percent.

Since Rev. Robert Jeffress, the Perry supporter who pastors the biggest Baptist congregation in Texas, reignited the Mormon issue on Oct. 7 by calling Mormonism a "cult," the response from conservative and Christian pundits generally has been one of condemnation.

"What Robert Jeffress has done -- quite unwillingly, I'm sure -- is to damage his own Christian witness by weighing in on politics with simplistic and unreflective comments," wrote Peter Wehner, a former White House adviser to President George W. Bush.

The issue of Romney's faith has been less vigorously discussed on the left. But as far back as 2006, Slate's Jacob Weisberg wrote a column saying he opposed Romney because of his faith, in large part because he believed the religion's founder, Joseph Smith, was "an obvious con man."

"I wouldn't vote for someone who truly believed in the founding whoppers of Mormonism," he said.

Weisberg predicted that if Romney was the GOP nominee in 2008, his "religion will become an issue with moderate and secular voters -- and rightly so."

More recently, columns from outspoken atheist Christopher Hitchens and from New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd have delved into the stranger aspects of the Mormon faith and practice, some of them real, some not.

Dowd ran through a laundry list of things she found odd or objectionable about Mormonism in an Oct. 19 column: "Magic underwear. Baptizing dead people. Celestial marriages. Private planets. Racism. Polygamy."

Many Mormons do in fact wear special underwear, though they do not call it "magic." Romney has never disclosed whether he wears the undergarments, though he has been asked. Posthumous baptism is done by proxy, with a person standing in for the deceased. Celestial marriage is a theological term for the belief that a couple's relationship continues in the afterlife. The idea of private planets appears to be something of an urban legend about the Mormon faith.

As for race, the Mormon Church did not allow black men to be ordained as priests in the church until 1978. And polygamy was practiced officially by the church during the second half of the 19th century, but it has been disavowed by the church since 1890.

John Aravosis, a liberal blogger at Americablog, spotlighted the 2009 discovery that unknown Mormons performed a posthumous proxy baptism for President Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, in June 2008, and that others in the church have done the same for deceased Holocaust victims.

"It's pretty aggressively nasty duplicitous stuff," Aravosis wrote on Oct. 17.

Hitchens' Oct. 17 column was headlined: "Romney's Mormon Problem: Mitt Romney and the weird and sinister beliefs of Mormonism."

Hitchens said the 1978 decision to admit black men as priests was recent enough "to cast serious doubt on the sincerity of their change of heart."

It is this -- the race issue -- that holds potent and explosive potential for Democratic attacks on Romney if he is chosen by Republicans to run against the first black president in U.S. history. Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour did not run for president in large part because of the way he and close advisers believed he would have been cast as a racist by Democrats.

But a prominent religious leader of the progressive left, Rev. Jim Wallis, disavowed such tactics and specifically called out Hitchens for being "as bad a secular fundamentalist as Jerry Falwell or the Ayatollah Khomeini are bad religious fundamentalists."

"He is a hostile, vitriolic, hateful person when it comes to people of faith," Wallis told HuffPost. "He is intellectually completely ignorant of religion."

Wallis said he opposes Romney on policy grounds.

"What kind of underwear Mitt Romney wears is a lot less important to us than what his moral compass is and what his policy agenda is," Wallis said. "He doesn't show any real concern for the people Jesus talked most about, the least of these. I don't see any ever mention of poor, vulnerable oppressed people. He's basically a candidate for -- he's a Wall Street candidate."

It won't just be atheists like Hitchens speaking out against Mormonism, however. Gays are increasingly incensed by Mormons' active opposition to gay marriage laws, as evidenced by the California fight, in which a measure overturning a state Supreme Court decision allowing gay marriage was approved by 7 million Californians and opposed by 6.4 million voters.

"You have gays who have been the victims of Mormon-financed legislative gay-bashing for a good two decades," Aravosis, who is openly gay, told HuffPost in an e-mail. "As for gays and Jews, I think it's difficult to ignore Mitt Romney's religion when his religion shows absolutely no interest in ignoring us."

None of this is to say Mormonism is no longer an issue in the primary. Many evangelicals and protestants, generally speaking, are still troubled or at least puzzled by the foreign aspects of the Mormon faith.

"One of the issues for Mormonism is that it is now being discussed in public in a way that will bring a great deal of attention to Mormon beliefs and practices," Rev. Al Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said in an interview. "I have to believe that Americans are going to find many of those beliefs absolutely bizarre and strange."

Church leaders in Salt Lake City, Utah, have responded by expanding an ad campaign begun last year in nine cities to 12 more. The ads point to a website filled with three- and four-minute video profiles of everyday Americans, often minorities and young, attractive people, that end with them saying, "I am a Mormon." The point is clearly to try and demystify the faith.

As their common cause with Mormons on policy and politics has become more clear to evangelical leaders, it is pushing theological and ecclesiological issues to the back burner.

"The beliefs of a particular faith are relevant to the extent that they would affect public policy," Bauer said. "If Mormonism taught that marriage was something other than a man and a woman, then I would be troubled by a Mormon candidate. But their faith is quite the opposite."

Chuck Colson, a former Nixon White House official who went to prison for his role in the Watergate scandal and is now head of Prison Fellowship Ministries, wrote on Oct. 17: "Is the Mormon faith Christian? No. It is not. There are significant and un-reconciled doctrinal differences between Mormonism and Christianity, like the sole sufficiency of Christ and the exclusivity of the Bible."

"Having said that, there may be no other group of people I appreciate more as co-belligerents than the Mormons," Colson said. "They are stalwarts on life, traditional marriage, and religious liberty issues."

In fact, the problem for Romney with many conservatives and evangelicals, Land said, is that they do not think he has been "Mormon enough" because of his flip-flops on abortion and gay marriage in particular.

"That's what's more of a challenge for Mitt Romney," said Perkins. "His past positions on many of these issues are not where most Mormons are. That's more of a level of discomfort."

Still, large swaths of evangelicals in the next few months will hear details about the Mormon church and Romney's prominent role in it. Whether it's the first time they've heard it or not, many will want further explanation, especially if Romney is the nominee, said Mohler.

"I think the [President John F.] Kennedy route is disastrous. He said more or less I'm a Catholic but it won't make any difference," said Mohler. "I don't think that's an appropriate response. That basically means I'm not that committed to my own world view."

"He needs to speak about how his own faith commitments and his own worldview will inform his own public policy," Mohler said.

But Romney already did that in 2007, and there is little chance he will do so again. Romney spoke at the George H.W. Bush Library in College Station, Texas -- home of Perry's alma mater, Texas A&M University -- at this very same point in the primary four years ago.

"It is important to recognize that while differences in theology exist between the churches in America, we share a common creed of moral convictions," Romney said then. "And where the affairs of our nation are concerned, it's usually a sound rule to focus on the latter -- on the great moral principles that urge us all on a common course."

Even if the Mormon issue heats up this time, Romney is likely to just point to that speech and keep talking about the economy. Some Romney advisers believe the Republican could use attacks on his faith to his advantage in the general election by casting the Democrats as petty and unfocused on jobs.

Remaining silent about his faith, however, could cost him in Iowa. The state is either a gleaming opportunity or a deadly trap for Romney. If he were to win Iowa, Romney would nearly have the race sewn up, given his advantage in New Hampshire, which follows Iowa. And the conservative voters in Iowa are divided among six candidates, giving Romney a very real chance of winning in the Hawkeye State.

But Romney will be leery of being burned by Iowans again like he was in 2008, when he received 25 percent in the caucuses -- which begin the primary voting process -- but came in second to Mike Huckabee, a Southern Baptist preacher who spent far less money and had less organization but who still won with 34 percent.

Romney has polled in the low 20s for a long time now, and the evangelical and conservative voters are split in Iowa this time among Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum, Ron Paul and Perry.

The concern for Romney would be that he might increase his effort in Iowa from the minimalist approach he's taken so far -- which lessens the impact of a loss on his overall chances -- at the very same time that Iowans are deciding he is not conservative or Christian enough, and consolidating around someone like Perry, who has the money to blanket the airwaves for much of the next two months ahead of the Jan. 3 caucuses.

Interviews with Iowans at Perry events in the northwest -- the most conservative part of the state -- in early October showed that Romney's faith is on their minds.

"It bothers me. I'm a Christian. I know he believes differently than I do," said Terry Dykstra, 53, who runs an excavation business in Orange City, Iowa, and said he will not vote for Romney because he is a Mormon.

Kevin DeWeerd, a 50-year-old truck driver who had struck up a conversation with Dykstra, was of a different mind.

"I don't think it's a real issue. It's a big world," DeWeerd said.

Anita Bomgaars, a 56-year-old teacher, real estate broker, independent film producer and mother of three, is the type of voter that will likely decide whether Romney can win Iowa or not.

Bomgaars told HuffPost that Romney's faith "might be" an issue for her, but that she wanted to hear more from Romney about it.

"I think Mormonism has evolved," Bomgaars said. "I would really like to hear what Romney and his wife believe their faith is about. I still don't feel like he's been up front about what he believes."



CORRECTION: An earlier version of this report incorrectly spelled John Aravosis' last name.

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12:05 PM on 12/28/2011
Mormanism was invented by a racist con man. Willard Romney worships that con man in the same way Christians worship Jesus. I for one, look forward to Romney running for President. It will be a contest between the first Black President and a cultist seeking to become the first Cultist President. White Christians are going to have quite a choice to make. A half White man with Black baggage or a whole White man with cult religous baggage.
06:49 PM on 12/05/2011
Mormons are a lot of things, and Christian is among those things. It is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints. Is there a huge difference between believing that Eve was plucked from the rib of Adam and Moses parting the sea and Jesus walking on water and Joseph Smith finding the golden plates that became The Book of Mormon? All these religions take a leap of faith. Mormons believe the Old AND New Testament AND their own Book of Mormon. But Catholics believe a lot of things in addition to basic Christianity and the Evangelicals believe in speaking in TONGUES. So common people - it is all a huge leap of faith.
10:43 PM on 11/28/2011
""Do not underestimate the unique ability of Barack Obama to unify social conservatives. It's unique," said Land. "He's the most liberal man to ever be in the White House."

Replace "liberal" with "not completely white" and you will be closer to the real reason that Barack Obama unifies social conservatives...
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IfIonlyknew
Go ahead....Say something funny.
01:39 AM on 11/08/2011
We had Satan and his little friend in the last administration.
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Doug Sandlin
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10:13 PM on 11/07/2011
Okay, so .....

.... if Mitt Romney is likely to be the Republican nominee ....

.... and Evangelicals have a big problem with Romney's religious beliefs ....

.... and a substantial number of Republicans are evangelicals ....

...... why in the world is the Republican party even fielding a candidate in 2012?

Why not just save the money, and have a bigger war chest in 2016, when they might possibly see a candidate elected?
06:17 PM on 11/07/2011
Danite Knights put their Church before their country, is that who we want for president?
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06:26 PM on 11/09/2011
Danite Knights? Hoo boy. Who has been filling your head with anti-Mormon absurdities?
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01:54 PM on 12/05/2011
Danite Knights? Didn't that organization die out in the 1800s?
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08:13 AM on 11/07/2011
The Republican byline "Class Warfare," is a Republican creation, it was first used to extinguish the Presidents call to raise taxes on the Wealthy by 2% and that is class War Fare, their term and their lies. Now the Christian Evangelicals are getting ready to castigate the media if Mitt Romney wins the nomination of their beloved Republican Rich Pocketed Party, and his Mormon Faith becomes an issue? They are now claiming that the Media is bais in favor of the President and the Democrats. Their assertion is that the Dems and the media are going to concentrate on Romney's Mormon Faith and therefore if the Repubs loose the election it's going to be the media's fault and the Democratic Party for making Religion an issue! The Christian Evangelical Right, the Catholic Church and the religious leadership in this country have been trying to take control of government to promote their religious views for thirty years. This is being done by destroying the "True Meaning and Intent," of the First Amendment of the Constitution (Separation between Church and State." They have stacked the Supreme Court, they elected a Born Again President in W who's administration left this nation in a collasal mess. Romney and Mormons have already been held up to public scrutiny by the Republican/Christian Evangelical right, and that movement has made Religion the center piece of American Politics!
03:04 PM on 11/06/2011
The reason some or most people are skeptical of Mormonism is because we are ignorant of it. It is not a mainstream religion in this country. For example, If Mormons believe they become a God who will be given their own planet after death, is that why they have soooo many children? Is their goal to be Lords of their own galaxies or Universes? If Romney would tell us when and why Jesus came to the US, that would be helpful. And what's with the underwear? We may want a pair if they would make our country stronger.
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06:45 PM on 11/09/2011
The whole "their own planet" thingey was invented by anti-Mormons to scare their children.

We have lots of kids because we believe God saved His choicest spirits to come to earth during the end-times - and we want them to come to good homes where they're both loved and wanted.

Lords of galaxies? We believe we will be "Kings and priests unto God and His Father" (Rev.1:6.) We also believe that we will inherit, jointly with Christ, everything that God the Father has (Rom.8:17).

Jesus came to the US because he had to bring his "other sheep" (John 10:16). They needed to hear his voice so that there would be one fold and one shepherd.

And why the fascination with our underwear? Some sort of fetish?
11:03 PM on 11/09/2011
In my search for truth, I've studied with many religious organizations who said their religion was the only true religion. If it works for you then go with it w/o being defensive. As far as the underwear thing, I have to admit that I read about this thing in more than one place. If it's not true then so be it. If there is something special to it then share it. Underwear is underwear. I don't see anything fetishish about simple underwear. Why would that thought even cross your mind? If there is a thing that is the end times, it will be good to see who will be revealed as who. However, times does not and cannot end.
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02:32 AM on 12/14/2011
Miss Lucy, i assume there is kindness buried deep below your mocking humor : ). I don't mind, but if you have really studied the Church of Jesus Christ you probably understand that what you are saying isn't exactly true.
My religion teaches me to respect others, and to love our neighbors and so on. I don't go on what those who hate others say about them, but I ask people what they believe.
You may already know that men and women being called "gods" is a concept central to true Christianity and it dates back to Jesus Christ and His apostles.

The Book of Mormon tells you when and why Jesus came to some of His other children, and that He appeared to many throughout the world. There is a lot of evidence for that. I don't know if He came to the "US" and doubt Romney could tell you.

The special clothing worn by members of The Church of Jesus Christ symbolizes Jesus Christ. It is similar to wearing a cross (the Tree of Life version of the cross. Members are ministers, and all serve, teach, preach, etc and, as other Priests, Monks, Nuns, Rabbis etc, we wear clothing to remind us that we are to follow Christ. As lay clergy we also have jobs, and so we wear the clothing under our other clothing (some Jews and Christians also do this, but most also wear some sort of outer vestment).
10:34 PM on 12/14/2011
I know. I know. I have been studying the teachings of your organization for the past few weeks. Its pretty interesting. I writing a paper comparing Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seven Day Adventist etc Keep speaking more of love and compassion and less of the details. The way to lure converts in is through elementary psychology. Once you get them hooked then tellbthe details.
Views from the Middle
Politicians seem to only listen to the extremes
12:58 PM on 11/06/2011
The more the Evangelical, ultra right-wing social conservatives speak, the more it is apparent that they have no desire for the U.S. to be a democracy. It is apparent that they not only DON"T want separation of Church and State, but that they would like Evangelical Christianity to become the Government-appointed religion. They proclaim "Freedom," but that Freedom applies only to them. They cite the Constitution, but interpret it to suit their own restrictive, sexist, and racist beliefs. And of all the Christian religions, it is becoming abundantly clear that the least "Christian" of them, are the Evangelicals.
08:46 PM on 11/05/2011
[Great blog, Huff. Here's an info bit I ran into lately while webbing away. Reaction?]

MORMONISM OKAYS PORN

by Jared Young

Both Mormon and non-Mormon scholars are aware of a hard-core pornographic drawing in the "Book of Abraham" which is Mormon-approved scripture.
The same Book is part of the "Pearl of Great Price" which, along with the "Book of Mormon" and the "Doctrine and Covenants," make up the LDS church's "triple combination" in one volume.
The porn is found in Fig. 7 of Facsimile 2 in the "Book of Abraham" which shows two beings facing each other, which were described by Joseph Smith as representing the Holy Ghost and God the Father, the latter clearly showing an aroused male sex organ.
After Smith published this sketch in his newspaper in 1842, which offended Mormon sensibilities, the phallic portion was whited out for more than a century until the "restored" LDS church decided in 1981 to restore what had long been censored!
Equally shocking was the discovery that the "Book of Abraham" had nothing to do with Abraham or his God but was actually based on ancient Egyptian funeral documents depicting occultic obscene practices - and the original sketches showed an erotic phallus on both beings including the one Smith blasphemously claimed was the Holy Ghost!
For more info see "Book of Abraham" (Wikipedia). Also Yahoo "Facts From Mormons" and "What LDS Leaders Say."
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12:14 PM on 11/06/2011
On the figure in question, there is a narrow rectangle, about 1/8 inch long, protruding, horizontally from the center of the figure's belly. The seated figure itself is about 11/16" from top of head to soles of feet (in the large print edition of the LdS Standard Works).

If you think that the "aroused male sex organ" is rectangular, protrudes from the belly, and is about 18% of a man's seated height then I suppose it might be considered to be "clearly showing' that appendage. However, if you or Mr. Young consider that to be pornographic in any way - particularly the "hard core" variety - might I humbly suggest that both of you seek qualified and competent professional help.
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10:15 PM on 11/07/2011
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Seriously?

That's not "okaying porn" .... that's "seeing porn where none exists or was intended."

If that's the most you've got on "the Mormons" .... I think they're safe.
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12:19 PM on 11/04/2011
Romney just chose the wrong political party. Democrats are accepting of those who are not cut out of exactly the same cloth as they are. Maybe he could still switch-- lord knows it's the only position he hasn't changed his mind on lately.
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05:25 AM on 11/05/2011
I'd rather be with Evangelical Republicans than with godless Democrats.

Infaticide is a hard thing to reconcile if you believe in any God.

When the Democrat party says that it is wrong to be able to abort viable, healthy babies, then maybe they will have some soul in their core.
04:45 PM on 11/07/2011
Er, read the Bible much? From the Lord himself killing every firstborn son of Egypt, to ordering his chosen people to "Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children", it's chock full of infanticide. Or are they, unlike a nonsentient ball of cells, not worthy of being considered real people?
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Go ahead....Say something funny.
10:49 AM on 11/08/2011
I think it is interesting that the devil is against abortion also....."So who are you really" following.
God is not concerned about abortion,Those babies go right to heaven and get to be with God.Doesn't God say to let judgment be his.
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04:51 AM on 11/04/2011
The irony is that social conservatives are the ones who have made religion an issue. The Constitution forbids it in Article VI, clause 3, but these "patriots" have demoted the Constitution below the Bible.

JFK famously promised that his religion would NOT influence his presidency. Now republicans are promising the exact opposite. It is unsurprising that people who seek to push their religion would expect to have their religion attacked, when it is their use of religion that deserves attack.

John Locke correctly stated: "some may not colour their spirit of persecution and unchristian cruelty with a pretence of care of the public weal and observation of the laws; and that others, under pretence of religion, may not seek impunity for their libertinism and licentiousness; in a word, that none may impose either upon himself or others, by the pretences of loyalty and obedience to the prince, or of tenderness and sincerity in the worship of God; I esteem it above all things necessary to distinguish exactly the business of civil government from that of religion and to settle the just bounds that lie between the one and the other. If this be not done, there can be no end put to the controversies that will be always arising between those that have, or at least pretend to have, on the one side, a concernment for the interest of men’s souls, and, on the other side, a care of the commonwealth.”

Faith-based politics is incompatible with democracy & liberty.
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07:58 PM on 11/03/2011
@Hank10303.. you are wrong. "Freedom of religion" does NOT mean that we are wrong to judge a religion and consider someone's beliefs when we vote for them. Asserting otherwise is a violation of a voter's rights! "Freedom of religion" means that a person is free to choose THEIR religion. And it means that govt. cannot prohibit someone from running for office based on their religion. No where does it say that we are wrong for judging a person's beliefs and choices.
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ZeraLee
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02:37 AM on 11/04/2011
Learn your constitution, "freedom"

"no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."
Article VI, clause 3

The republican religious litmus tests defy the Constitution.

Social conservatives want to force everyone to live according to THEIR beliefs. That is NOT religious freedom, it IS religious persecution. Republicans are aggressively opposed to religious freedom.

Case in point: Mormons posthumously baptizing dead Jews into the Mormon faith. Against the demands of the Jewish community to stop.
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03:33 PM on 11/04/2011
Sorry but you are wrong. YOU need to learn and understand WHAT your Constitution is. It is not a set of laws for the people.. it is for the GOVERNMENT.

"The Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of the United States of America. It is the framework for the organization of the United States government and for the relationship of the federal government with the states, citizens, and all people within the United States."

Individuals have a fundamental RIGHT to make judgments based on what WE deem important. What you are advocating is a blatant violation of individual rights. You say that conservatives want to force everyone to live according to our beliefs.. and that we oppose religious freedom.. you couldn't be more wrong. It is you/the Left who desire to take away individual rights. It's absurd to insist that we can't consider what ever we want to in making our decisions to cast OUR vote.. not our vote YOUR way. Exactly how are conservatives "forcing" our beliefs?? We are casting our vote according to our beliefs.. NO different than what YOU do.. this is our RIGHT. And please explain how anyone's freedom of religion is being violated when someone considers their beliefs when they cast their vote.. I challenge you to explain this..
01:51 PM on 11/03/2011
I done with them saying the church of later day saints is raciest towards black people OK and so whats new most christen faiths in America were I remember when the pope spoke and condemned the practice of the catholic church having slaves, and Baptist where guilty of it too and southern Jim crow laws if u where to ask most of those people who voted yes on that law claimed to be men & women of faith.....its almost 2012 can I sooo over it lmao..... As one of my friends once told me Christianity is just not Black friendly I'm not even sure why most black people would want to be followers of Christianity with its track record lol......Guess the point is I soo tried of every posting is about Mormons having bad black race relations haha the truth hurts so does most faiths at one time or another lol it is what is is....lets heal and move on please.....keep it moving NEXT
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02:49 AM on 12/14/2011
I agree with some of what you said, but I think Christianity is "Black friendly." Africa is still predominantly Christian, and much of Christianity today came from Africa (Alexandria, the Nicene creed etc).

As for my faith, the Book of Mormon has always taught that: 33…black and white…all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.’

Many leaders and LDS scriptures, beginning with Joseph Smith, plainly stated that blacks were equal, slaves would outshine our highest dignitaries if freed etc. LDS strongly opposed slavery and were attacked, tarred, raped etc, for pro-black stances. Joseph Smith had given priesthood to Blacks, and Blacks were among leading early LDS. True, Brigham Young and others held some ideas of the times (curse of Cain) but his ideas were mild compared to the Founding Americans, and many other Christians (the leading slave ship was called the Jesus, even though Africa was predominantly Christian) etc. Brigham was a product of his environment, just as Peter was. Peter wouldn’t even “associate” with whites etc, until Jesus gave him that revelation.
01:36 PM on 11/03/2011
wow the report says that Obama is the most liberal president ever in the white house if this is true and he truly open and truly liberal he should not have a issue that some one is Mormon....But what every right?? I still say who care if the man is Mormon I need to know what he talking about and if he can run a country......ahhh I tell ya lol