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Bank Transfer Day, Occupy Wall Street Share Sentiments But Take Different Approaches

Occupy Wall Street Bank Transfer Day

Posted: 11/04/11 08:12 PM ET

"How do you kill a bank?" mused Christopher Guerra on a blustery morning at Zuccotti Park.

"Strip it of its capital. You can't defeat banks head-on because they're too powerful."

Guerra, 27, said he hopes Bank Transfer Day -- a social media push that encourages consumers to pull their money out of banks and deposit it into credit unions by or on Nov. 5 -- will help to deprive banks of some of the money they need to function.

Occupy Wall Street and Bank Transfer Day aren't officially affiliated, but the two movements draw their strength from similar sentiments: consumers tired of relying on big banks that they argue take advantage of them through lending practices and fees. Though the push for the bank transfer movement began with Kristen Christian, a 27-year-old Los Angeles-based entrepreneur, Occupy Wall Street protesters have become some of the most visible supporters of Bank Transfer Day, allowing them to drive the conversation surrounding Saturday's deadline.

Christian told the HuffPost this week that she's appreciative of the support she's gotten from Occupy Wall Street protesters such as Guerra, but she added that she hopes the movement doesn't take any more "disruptive actions" -- such as the protest in a New York City Citibank last month that resulted in two-dozen arrests -- in the name of taking money out of banks.

Conor Reed, who was arrested in the Citbank protest, said that while some may act individually to commemorate Bank Transfer Day, he hopes the actions spark a larger conversation. But he also said he's concerned that police may "harass" bank transfer activists that are working non-violently.

"My hope is that tomorrow people will go to banks together, hold rallies outside, slowly and sweetly transfer their accounts to gum up business as usual, share the reasons for their activities with other customers, and then open the horizons for social action more widely," Reed wrote in an e-mail to HuffPost Friday.

For the protesters' part, it seems they have no plans for an organized, mass run on the banks; instead they're looking to draw attention to the cozy relationship between government and the banking industry. Activists associated with Occupy Wall Street plan on Saturday to march from Liberty Plaza to Foley Square -- the site of the New York Supreme Courthouse -- to protest a deal that government officials are negotiating with banks to settle allegations that the companies illegally foreclosed on homeowners.

"People are still furious at the banks and so the question is, how do we change them?" asked Max Berger, one of the organizers of Saturday's march. "It's all about holding the banks accountable and not letting their political allies off the hook."

Christian's call and the Occupy protests have touched a nerve with consumers and likely with banks as well. Christian said she sent out Facebook event invitations to 500 of her friends after Bank of America announced in September that it would charge customers $5 per month to use their debit cards. The page now shows tens of thousands attending Bank Transfer Day.

An even more tangible measure of the movement's success: The Credit Union National Association estimates that 650,000 customers have opened new accounts at credit unions since Bank of America announced the fee. More than 80 percent of the credit unions that saw an increase in new account openings attributed the boost to big bank fees or a mix of reactions to the fees, and the Bank Transfer Day push.

Christian and other Bank Transfer Day advocates say one way to for consumers to take back control of their money is to move it to credit unions, which are often tied to specific locations and function as non-profit cooperatives.

"They don't take out the risky loans," said Deborah Butler, one of the protesters at Zuccotti on Friday. "They know who they're loaning to."

Mark Bray, a member of the Occupy Wall Street Press Team, said the protests can't take credit for the bank's decision to scrap the fee, but he thinks it's changed the conversation for some consumers, who before wouldn't have thought of taking a stand against something like a bank fee.

"Fundamentally, [Bank of America dropped the charge] because people don't want to pay the fee and they were switching banks," Bray said. "We're creating a climate where these kinds of things can happen."

For some activists at the park, the relationship between the two movements works both ways. Louis Daniel, a former foreman for an independent contractor, said he thinks Bank Transfer Day will show the public that Occupy Wall Street "actually means business." Daniel has been out of work for eight months.

"I imagine just regular old people, dressed in regular old clothes going in and saying 'I want to pull my money out,'" Daniel, 31, said. "It seems like they're coming in to make a deposit and they're not."

Even if consumers decide to withdraw their funds in a relatively laid-back fashion, Thadeus Umpster, a protester who was at Zuccotti on Friday, said he hopes the banks will feel the sting.

"I hope it's more than a message, I hope it hurts them," Umpster said. "People are not happy with the banks, the system. The more people that participate, the more clear that will be."

Umpster said Bank Transfer Day will also have the benefit of helping people across the country connect with the protesters in Zuccotti Park.

"People who haven't been able to get down here will be able to participate," he said.

Though Umpster said he was upset by the bank fees, for him, Bank Transfer Day is about taking a stand against more than just added charges. He cited banks' checkered history of discriminatory loan practices.

Another protester at the park, Ayenay Abye, said she agreed, arguing that banks used predatory lending practices, which are partly to blame to the financial meltdown. In the aftermath of the crisis, critics alleged that banks targeted low-income borrowers and encouraged them to take out home loans that they normally wouldn't qualify for during the housing boom. In one example of the criticism, the Department of Justice is investigating Wells Fargo for allegedly directing African-American borrowers into high-cost, subprime loans.

"They take our money and discriminate against us," Abye said. "It's important for communities to have control over their own resources."

For his part, Bray says he thinks transferring money from banks to credit unions is one tangible way for Occupy Wall Street to get its message across.

"What it shows is that the movement as a whole isn't about not buying things, it isn't about hiding your money under a mattress, it's about valuing the material conditions of working people," Bray said. "It's a reasonable step, it's a concrete step and it's something that we can do as consumers."

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"How do you kill a bank?" mused Christopher Guerra on a blustery morning at Zuccotti Park. "Strip it of its capital. You can't defeat banks head-on because they're too powerful." Guerra, 27, sa...
"How do you kill a bank?" mused Christopher Guerra on a blustery morning at Zuccotti Park. "Strip it of its capital. You can't defeat banks head-on because they're too powerful." Guerra, 27, sa...
 
 
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09:12 AM on 11/08/2011
This a win-win-win

For BoA - it is good riddance and focus on rich customers
For Small credit unions - new wave of business
For Protestors - It is the day of victory....

Sometimes innovation help
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Ron in NYC
To err is human, to moo bovine.
04:40 AM on 11/09/2011
It's like when you're in 2nd grade and some kid punches you in the stomach, and as you double over in pain, you manage to breathe just enough to tell him, "That didn't hurt!"
01:01 AM on 11/08/2011
Comment from Vox Day:

Because the depository giants loan out almost all of the money that is deposited with them, they are very highly leveraged and therefore extremely susceptible to being undermined by their depositors. Each dollar deposited in a fractional reserve commercial bank presently supports more than $100 in loans, so each dollar removed from the bank significantly reduces the bank's capital and, therefore, its margin of error.

True???Anyone?
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Inkosi
The gods themselves rage against stupidity
12:38 PM on 11/08/2011
the problem is - they are NOT lending. Per Paulson when he bailed them out, they were supposed to lend the money out. They are sitting on it.
03:28 PM on 11/08/2011
Ahhhh, a simple clause in the bailout stipulating the necessity/stipulation to lend couldn't have made sense? were they using the honor sytem? Likely left out on purpose....
12:13 AM on 11/08/2011
49.1 million Americans in poverty,that's the real number? Not an exact science I'm sure so probably higher....in America??? Did you hear my jaw hit the floor? You must have.
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stargazer13
To Love One Is To Love All
08:50 PM on 11/07/2011
the next two weeks

will be interesting

many have said they are moving there money !
many have done so already !

I want a bank Like North Dakota has
one in every state would be nice !
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pewty
Psych RN, & wisenheimer
04:06 PM on 11/07/2011
This is the best way to turn "Too BIG TO Fail" into "Too Small To Exist"
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webwzrd
Reality is liberal indoctrination
02:57 PM on 11/07/2011
Keep it up America. Not to hurt the banks, but to help YOURSELF. Moving your money locally helps your community. Using credit unions instead of banks helps even more, by spreading the profits among account holders instead of a few fat cats.

Let this day be the start of a trend.
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jeremyemilio
My micro-bio is NOT empty
01:40 PM on 11/07/2011
Of course, the only real way to kill the banks is to kill inflation. No inflation = no need for banks. No inflation means you can save your own money and buy things with cash that is worth the same (or more) as when you earned it, rather than buying on credit and repaying 2 or 3 times over.

No inflation would also do away with the Wall Street players who get rich skimming off your savings and your retirement funds because your need for a return, to protect against inflation, forces you into taking on risky assets that most people would never even consider buying into if you knew that the money you earned today would still hold the same value tomorrow.

But so called progressives would prefer to buy the malarkey from Krugman et al about the terror of deflationary spirals and about how economically beneficial a 2%-3% inflation target is...

... which is absolutely true...

... if you happen to be a Banker or a Wall Street trader.
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CT Independent
04:55 PM on 11/07/2011
FYI. Banks have been paying negative interest rate for the past 3 years. Why do you still keep your money in a bank? In essence you are paying money to banks to hold money. A bank provides a lot of other services in addition to interest.
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Dadfirst
Reasonable comments in an unreasonable world
01:25 PM on 11/07/2011
Ho hum. Net result: Nothing.
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webwzrd
Reality is liberal indoctrination
02:43 PM on 11/07/2011
Nothing? Try for starters all major banks backing off debit card fees. Also, more money to local communities where is does more good. More and more people are following their lead. The only nothing here is you.
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Dadfirst
Reasonable comments in an unreasonable world
09:22 PM on 11/07/2011
The occupy crowd had nothing to do with that.
Charles W Noble
Reason with eachother
01:06 PM on 11/07/2011
Bottom line: The banks put our the economy of our country at risk. Everyone says that a good economy is part of our defense. Hence, the banks put our National defense at risk. They put our country, our constitution, our way of life at risk. If you are a patriot, you should work towards reducing these people's influence and immediately move your money to a small bank or credit union. It doesn't matter how much it is. What matters is that you do two things: You reduce money from these large banks that put this great land at risk AND you shift it to smaller banks that are nimble and local. So, they are more aware and responsive to their communities - recognizing opportunities that these mega banks focused on shuffling paper schemes miss all the time. Move your money now. It is the patriotic thing to do.
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Gizmo9
It's been lovely!
12:55 PM on 11/07/2011
When you move your bank accounts to a Credit Union remember one think you will also need to change how you have been handling your money until now. For one the amount of debt on credit cards across the general public is outrages. So you will also need to take a good look at your self and see where you might have contributed to the situation we are in now.
12:43 PM on 11/07/2011
LOL at the epic fail of this "protest."
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webwzrd
Reality is liberal indoctrination
02:46 PM on 11/07/2011
LOL at the epic denial of pigs everywhere.
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jwilson1
11:01 AM on 11/07/2011
I ask all good people of America to join forces and move to take back america. As groups with ethical and moral causes we can add numbers to change government!
If you saw 60 minutes last night you realize just how corrupt the lobbyist and government officials are! This has got to stop! This is against everything we believe in as a country and politicians have sold us out for their own greed!
Please take action we need you all to help...
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Ron in NYC
To err is human, to moo bovine.
10:36 AM on 11/07/2011
I guess greed isn't so good after all, huh, Bank of America?
12:43 PM on 11/07/2011
Actually they are thrilled at the thought of riding themselves of the accounts of the OCS crowd, since these accounts generally cost more to maintain they they generate in revenue. Recall that HSBC earlier this year abdicated all their retail business to concentrate on the high margin accounts of the wealthy.

You are not hurting them. In fact the members of the board room are probably LOL right now.
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webwzrd
Reality is liberal indoctrination
02:54 PM on 11/07/2011
While there is always the chance that you are correct, I seriously doubt it. The OWS crowd isn't just the protesters in NY and is supported by a third of the population of the country, so it's not just unemployed teenagers moving their money. BOfA, Wells Fargo and other national banks built their business on the retail model, and not only are retail consumers moving their money, but small businesses are doing the same. These are all customers who won't come ack as the economy improves.

One last thing... I didn't do it to hurt the banks, I did it to help MYSELF.
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Ron in NYC
To err is human, to moo bovine.
09:03 PM on 11/07/2011
Yeah, right. Go ahead, spin yourself into a dither. If they're so thrilled about losing all that money, why are they raising fees on their remaining customers to make up the difference? Sorry, your argument doesn't hold water.
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Ron in NYC
To err is human, to moo bovine.
10:27 AM on 11/07/2011
So, to compensate for their losses, banks are going to raise customer fees? Oh, that's smart. And another million people just closed their accounts. Wait for it. I'll get the popcorn.

Bank of America reportedly taking the biggest hit? Capitol One, you're next!
09:43 AM on 11/07/2011
In June, I was TOTALLY PO'D at the BANKS (still am), so, I transferred my money to a local bank with a strong rating. Too big to fail, so, they are too big for my measly little bit of money.