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Oakland City Council Addresses Occupy Oakland (WATCH)

First Posted: 11/04/11 04:57 PM ET Updated: 11/04/11 04:57 PM ET

Occupy Oakland City Council

On Thursday night, hundreds of people crammed into Oakland City Hall for a heated five-hour meeting about whether to allow the Occupy Oakland encampment to remain at Frank Ogawa Plaza with City support. As expected, the meeting was anything but dull.

More than 100 people, including Occupy Wall Street supporters, Occupy adversaries and downtown Oakland business owners, lined up to speak at the microphone at the public meeting.

One of the hottest topics of the evening was the so-called "black bloc," a small group of anarchists that vandalized downtown late Wednesday night following a generally peaceful Occupy Oakland strike and protest -- a group that many OWS supporters denounce as outsiders causing destruction under the banner of Occupy Oakland. At the meeting, many of the OWS supporters urged the City to disregard the actions of the black bloc in decisions regarding the encampment.

"These brats in black who want to burn everything to the ground should be investigated and arrested because they are damaging other people's rights to free speech," argued one supporter to roaring applause.

"If you've been to an Oakland raiders game, you have seen people engaging in violent acts," said another. "You do not hold everyone at that game responsible for the acts of a few."

While some OWS supporters have argued that the black bloc should be heard, too, most of the occupiers have expressed anger and disappointment at the group for muddying the Occupy message. "We need to speak out en masse against the violence," said supporter Aram Sohigian to The Huffington Post. "Like any grassroots movement there are people that will try to co-opt their message and use it for propaganda. It is not Occupy."

"10,000 people have a peaceful day of protest and civil disobedience. And then the news stories are all about the broken windows and fires," said supporter and photographer Steve Leibel to The Huffington Post. "The vandalism is not only stupid and dangerous, it turns public opinion against the movement."

But some business owners say the entire movement -- not just the black bloc -- is ruining business in downtown Oakland.

"We've had several conversations with businesses that are saying they will consider not renewing their leases unless something is done and done immediately," said Joseph Haraburda of the Oakland Metro Chamber of Commerce. "The damage to the property is unacceptable; the violence is uncalled for," he continued. "The situation we find ourselves in is absolutely unacceptable. We want the Occupy Oakland (camp) closed."

Shortly after, OWS supporter Nikki Bas argued that the goals of the movement are more important than the temporary effect on downtown Oakland. "Occupy Oakland is bigger -- much bigger -- than Oakland," she said. "And we have the opportunity to lead."

The meeting also addressed the events during last Tuesday's violent clash between Occupy Oakland and the police -- a clash that received national attention and sparked outrage throughout the country.

"I am appalled that the City has even considered using our meager tax dollars to harm poor and working-class people," said supporter Molly Bolt. "A million dollars could have moved every single person in that occupation into a studio apartment for the rainy season."

But Police Chief Howard Jordan defended the actions of his department, arguing that officers had little choice as protesters surrounded them, throwing bottles and rocks.

"My officers showed great restraint," he started, but the crowd erupted into boos and jeers in disagreement before he could finish. Another speaker had to be removed by police when he refused to leave the microphone.

Five hours later, the council was unable to reach an agreement regarding a resolution, but councilmembers could announce a decision at the next meeting on November 15.

As of Thursday, only one thing was certain: the Occupy Oakland controversy isn't ending any time soon.

Watch ABC's video about the city council meeting in the clip below:


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Omega2012
10:25 AM on 11/07/2011
No such thing as an organized `Black Block` Anarchists Communists....These are undercover police fomenting violence. Proof here....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV6DyQKe4cg&feature=share

If you see masked individuals turning a peaceful protest into violent action against police or private property...RIP THEIR FACE MASQUES OFF AND VIDEO THEM !!!

They will fight back to protect their identity...so be ready.
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windy33
07:56 AM on 11/07/2011
they were hired by the repubs and paid for by the koch brothers. one day the tide will turn and the people will prevaile. the 1% will see that theyare out numbered and they will run for the hills.
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windy33
07:54 AM on 11/07/2011
lets see whos side they are on when their union gets attacked and busted. whos head will they bust then
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Tater Salad
How can I be a quitter when haters dont stop?
06:56 PM on 11/06/2011
Hey Tea Party, remember how you were crying about the OWS supporters not caring about the violence and needed to speak up? Well, you got your wish. What is the next thing for you to whine about while ignoring your candidates flailing?
03:29 PM on 11/06/2011
these "brats in black" were brought in BY the oakland police to creat enough mayhem so, the oakland police would be able to authorize violence against all of the peacfull protestors......the city of oakland need to be sued for this, also the police dept,also the mayor who made the order in the first place.
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satanlite
If ur neibor wtchs Fox Nws wtch ur neibor
02:34 PM on 11/06/2011
If the "black bloc" show up then arrest them. It's clear they have violence in mind. Don't put up with it, don't even let it in the door.
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Foodgrade
Learn to grow banannas
03:16 PM on 11/06/2011
Problem is cops don't arrest cops.
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eptjevi
12:26 PM on 11/06/2011
COINTELPRO....OCCUPY HUFFINGTON POST.... JUST LIKE CNN,FOX AND ALL THOSE OTHER SO CALLED MEDIA THAT PERPETRATE LIES .... NO DIFFERENT. HP HAS SOLD OUT!
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eptjevi
12:25 PM on 11/06/2011
Time to for American Vets, to team up with the Occupy Movement in mass numbers.. we need a new Militia.. against those who are willing to harm American Citizens, just because they wear a Badge ...
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eptjevi
12:22 PM on 11/06/2011
Hey Moderator, stop screening my comments....
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03:05 PM on 11/06/2011
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Foodgrade
Learn to grow banannas
12:18 PM on 11/06/2011
The "Black Block" are probably cops from out of town infiltrating and agitating for violence. It's a very old and standard cop trick.
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missjulz
romneying with scissors always gets someone hurt
12:12 PM on 11/06/2011
Black Bloc is not all infiltrators. Check out the fb page for OO and you see many anarchists in favor of destruction and Black Bloc DID take "credit" for the Whole Foods scene. Proudly. Furthermore, OO refuses to distance itself from them, instead asking us to find a way to include them because they are "valuable" to the movement. Hence, I am no longer involved in OO.
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Foodgrade
Learn to grow banannas
01:06 PM on 11/06/2011
Oh right. As if the pigs are not capable of backing up their con and laundering all information about it. It's cops. It's the same M.O. cops here and cops around the world use to suppress opposition to their criminal leaders.
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missjulz
romneying with scissors always gets someone hurt
01:34 PM on 11/06/2011
I'm tellin ya, all you have to do is visit the FB page, the administrators and GA are formally embracing these tactics and this group. don't take my word for it. Have a visit and read through the postings yourself.
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Foodgrade
Learn to grow banannas
12:11 PM on 11/06/2011
His officers? He pays them? I thought the "officers" worked for the public.
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Foodgrade
Learn to grow banannas
12:04 PM on 11/06/2011
Hey. Who's the cookie in the monkey suit?

Oh the Oakland downtown businesses? Boycott them out of business. They are the ones who support the open season killing of people by the Oakland pigs.
NoBlueDogs
FIGHT Offshoring!!!
12:30 PM on 11/06/2011
Now won't THAT be disruptive to business. LOL! Let them pass a law against boycotting.
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Zdroberts
11:45 AM on 11/06/2011
During the 2004 protests the police in NYC were later found to have been the member of "blackbloc" that cause the violence. I have little doubt the same is done here.
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10:38 AM on 11/06/2011
This is a censored thread. Mention of COINTELPRO is central to many of the comments here, although the language police forbid the use of the acronym.