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Ohio's Issue 2: Polls Predicting Defeat For Anti-Union Law May Be Shaky

Issue 2 Ohio Polls

First Posted: 11/07/11 06:07 PM ET Updated: 11/08/11 10:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Two recent polls in Ohio suggest an overwhelming defeat in the offing for Issue 2, the ballot measure that would ratify Republican Gov. John Kasich's controversial limits on collective bargaining by state public employees. But past misfires in polling on statewide referendums provide good reason for caution until all votes are counted on Tuesday night.

An automated, recorded-voice telephone survey conducted over the weekend by the Democratic firm Public Policy Polling (PPP) found voter sentiment trending against Issue 2, by a margin of 59 to 36 percent.

A live interview poll conducted a week earlier by Quinnipiac University found a similar result: By a 56 to 33 percent margin, Ohio's registered voters said they oppose limiting collective bargaining for public employees, as Kasich's Senate Bill 5 does.

Despite the apparent consistency of these results, the pro-union group Progress Ohio put out a memo in late October bluntly warning that polling on "complicated issues" like Ohio's Issue 2 "is unreliable" and that the "blowout" predicted in the PPP and Quinnipiac polls is based "on flawed public opinion samples."

While unions have an incentive to warn their Ohio supporters against complacency, they are nonetheless right to highlight the unreliability of public polling on ballot measures. History shows it has been frequently wrong or misleading.

Georgetown University political scientist Daniel Hopkins recently examined 438 public surveys that asked about support for state-level referendums between 2003 and 2010. He found that the average error -- the difference between the margin forecast by the poll and the actual vote -- was 7.8 percentage points. More important, roughly a quarter of these polls (26.5 percent) incorrectly forecast the outcome.

Ohio has a particularly checkered recent history in polls on issue referendums, including the spectacular failure of a Columbus Dispatch mail-in poll in October 2005. That survey forecast that two election reform questions would pass with roughly 60 percent of the vote; they lost by margins of better than 2-to-1.

Why is issue referendum polling more error-prone? One reason is that voter turnout in off-year elections is significantly lower than in even-year general elections, so pollsters have a more difficult time identifying the true likely electorate. Just 3.1 million voters turned out for Ohio's special election in 2005, for example, compared to the 5.8 million who voted in the 2008 presidential election.

PPP's automated surveys use a combination of two methods to identify likely voters: They randomly select households from a list of registered voters with some history of past voting and then begin each interview with an instruction that those unlikely to vote should hang up and not complete the survey. It's a somewhat unorthodox technique, but PPP's pollsters believe their record of accuracy owes much to their use of the automated method to simulate the secret ballot.

The poll conducted by Quinnipiac University made no effort to identify likely voters. It simply reported results among all registered voters.

A second big challenge for issue referendum polling is replicating the actual ballot language. Referendum questions are often long and confusing, and some voters will not make up their minds until they read the text on the ballot. Both supporters and opponents of Issue 2 have complained that neither the Quinnipiac nor earlier PPP survey questions used the exact language that will appear on the Ohio ballot.

On its most recent survey, however, PPP reproduced the actual ballot language, asking respondents how they would vote on "Senate Bill 5, which is a new law relative to government union contracts and other government employment contracts and policies." Later in the same interview, PPP repeated a question asked on previous surveys, which describes Issue 2 as "a referendum on whether to approve or reject Senate Bill 5, which was passed earlier this year, and limits collective bargaining rights for public employees." The results on the two questions are virtually identical.

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Despite the past miscues, this latest round of Issue 2 polls may be accurate. As The Huffington Post's Sam Stein reports, the referendum campaign has been "heated and expensive" and even made an entrance into the presidential primary when Mitt Romney first declined to take a position and then later endorsed the anti-collective bargaining measure. By this time, Ohio's voters may have well-formed preferences on Issue 2 that are not easily distorted by the vagaries of poll wording or likely-voter methodology.

Hopkins, the Georgetown professor, noted that while polling on ballot issues can be highly volatile, predictable errors emerge only on issues like same-sex marriage, immigration and marijuana legalization. Pre-election polls on these issues typically overstate one particular side, presumably because respondents don't want "to seem homophobic, anti-immigrant, or pro-marijuana" to a stranger on the phone, he wrote. But issues "like education and tax reduction" -- in other words, questions similar to Issue 2 -- tend to produce random errors in both directions.

So the opponents of Ohio's Senate Bill 5 have good reason to be optimistic about the outcome of this week's election, but the history of polling on ballot issues suggests they should take nothing for granted.

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WASHINGTON -- Two recent polls in Ohio suggest an overwhelming defeat in the offing for Issue 2, the ballot measure that would ratify Republican Gov. John Kasich's controversial limits on collective b...
WASHINGTON -- Two recent polls in Ohio suggest an overwhelming defeat in the offing for Issue 2, the ballot measure that would ratify Republican Gov. John Kasich's controversial limits on collective b...
 
 
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COMMUNITY PUNDITS
Gin1234 11:20 PM on 11/07/2011
There is a reason why Kasich is in the pits with his approval rating. It is because of this kind of carp he has been pulling on the people of Ohio. There is no way that he will then win on this issue tomorrow. The vote will most likely reflect his approval numbers. If he wins, then there is something very e v i l going on with the election system in Ohio. Won't be the first time the sl ea zy pugs have  Read More...
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Carly freedom
Freedom is never free!
10:38 AM on 11/14/2011
As Ohio goes, so does the nation. Ohio is normally a very red state but so is Wisconsin. This is what happens when you try to take away people's voice's in bargaining.
02:54 AM on 11/14/2011
I agree with the result of this referendum but how did it happen? Ohio is a much more "redder" state than this vote would suggest. Could it be that GOPers did not come out and vote this time (just as Dems did not vote in 2010)?
02:47 PM on 11/09/2011
Enjoy your empty victory.. The rest of the country is looking at Ohio and saying, I'm so gald I'm not there.
02:43 PM on 11/09/2011
This was not a vote for raising taxes to pay for any more salaries and pensions. The people don't even want to pay for Obamacare. Bargain away, but when there's no money there's no money.. And you won't have a Congress to pass any more "stimulus".. So you're done anyway.
02:40 PM on 11/09/2011
Business people moving out.. Union lackeys moving in.,
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Gregory Hinton
pursuit of happiness
10:57 AM on 11/09/2011
looks like the mindless sheep in this country are waking up.
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mek0123
Merle from Michigan
04:23 AM on 11/09/2011
Perhaps.....................finally, people are finally beginning to realize that they are being sold a bill of goods and tired of all the willful lying from the moneyed elite. Let's hope it continues.
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Scheherazade Brown
10:54 PM on 11/08/2011
WE rolling rolling rolling....
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Scheherazade Brown
10:53 PM on 11/08/2011
WE, THE PEOPLE
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WI Patriot
Defending the Constitution.
10:32 PM on 11/08/2011
Ohio just voted in their new Lord - Trumpka!

Wake up early so you can kneel before him. Don't forget to bring your dues! He now owns you, everything you have, and everything you will have. Good luck with that.
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Scheherazade Brown
10:58 PM on 11/08/2011
we woke now...bring it on...anyka, whatever!!!!!
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sheikwil4
10:20 PM on 11/08/2011
bahahaha, the Media is wrong again, aren't they tired of pimping the Republicans and their agenda. Since Ohio voted NO overwhelmingly tonight, I hope the saying is right, that as Ohio goes, so goes the country. In the local races in my state, the Democrats are kicking butt here also, so people all across America are having buyers remorse for the 2010 election.
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Minnehaha
Ohio Buckeye
10:11 PM on 11/08/2011
What was that you said about SB5- shaky? Lmao, ahahahahahahaha!
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Minnehaha
Ohio Buckeye
10:19 PM on 11/08/2011
The AP just posted a win by 67% shaky, ha!
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Sisa
09:33 PM on 11/08/2011
NEO-CHRISTIAN FASCIST INDUSTRIALIZED SERDOM UNDER LORD REPUBLICORP: a socio economic political system that is a pseudo democracy under the guise of christianity in an industrialized nation based on the extreme right ideals of capitalistic anarchy and religious and ethnic intolerance. It is a cast society governed by a select group of elites whereby there is no separation of Church, State and Corporation but a melding of all three. Under this system the income gap between rich and poor is unmeasurably vast, only propertied gentry are permitted to vote,  there is no religious freedom or freedom of speech and social programs are all but nonexistent.  There are no health, safety, or environmental regulations to get in the way of the profit margin, education is beyond the reach of the masses, the media is state run, and the government will be granted full access to ones body and bedroom.  Under this system the workers or (SERFs) labor 10-14 hours a day 7 days a week for pennies an hour with no regard for safety and health or financial safety net should they become ill or injured. They will rent their dwellings and purchase their food and all other necessary items from  the  Church/State/Corporation ruling entity upon which they are completely dependent. The controlling  elites will comprise less than 1% of the population as a whole and will possess 99% of the nations wealth. VOTE DEMOCRAT!
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azxff
rebuildjoplin.org
09:30 PM on 11/08/2011
SB5 DEFEATED by over 65%...Shaky? LOL! Just goes to show you that the media doesn't have a clue....
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sheikwil4
10:17 PM on 11/08/2011
You got that right, just like the media is lying about Obama may be losing the AA voters, when the polls conducted and came out today that said 91% of AA said they would vote for the President in 2012, so you right the media is a joke and don't know what they are talking about and the Koch brothers and their money didn't buy the election in Ohio even with the lies they put out trying to trick the people from not voting.
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mpls mas macho
My God, it's full of stars!
09:26 PM on 11/08/2011
Job Well Done, Ohio! Not even close.