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Debbie Franklin, Member Of The Conrad Murray Trial Jury, Describes Deliberation Process(VIDEO)

LINDA DEUTSCH   11/ 9/11 09:34 PM ET   AP

LOS ANGELES — The doctor convicted of killing Michael Jackson never testified at his trial, but he is now defending himself in multiple NBC interviews taped just days before a jury returned his guilty verdict.

NBC's "Today" show planned to broadcast interviews with Dr. Conrad Murray in which he defends his use of the surgical anesthetic propofol to put Jackson to sleep. Although multiple experts testified at his trial that propofol should not have been administered in Jackson's home, the doctor disagreed.

"I think propofol is not recommended to be given in the home setting," Murray said, "but it is not contraindicated."

He also said Jackson had been using the substance long before the pop star met Murray.

The interview with the Houston cardiologist, who was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter Monday, is set to air Thursday and Friday. NBC released excerpts of the interview Wednesday.

Under questioning by the "Today" show's Savannah Guthrie, Murray said it was not necessary for him to monitor Jackson because he had given him only a small dose of propofol, and he said that was the reason he didn't mention it to paramedics when they arrived at Jackson's mansion.

"That's a very sad reason," he said, "because it was inconsequential – 25 milligrams and the effect's gone. Means nothing."

Guthrie asked, "Well, you told them about the other drugs, but you didn't tell them about propofol?"

"Because it had no effect," Murray said. "It was not an issue."

The coroner would subsequently find that Jackson, 50, died of "acute propofol intoxication" after a huge dose of the drug complicated by other sedatives.

Murray's defense tried to show that Jackson gave himself an extra dose of propofol while Murray was out of the room, but prosecution experts said there was no evidence of that and it was a crazy theory.

Asked by Guthrie if he became distracted by phone calls, emailing and text messages, Murray said, "No I was not."

"When I looked at a man who was all night deprived of sleep, who was desperate for sleep and finally is getting some sleep, am I gonna sit over him, sit around him, tug on his feet, do anything unusual to wake him up? No," Murray said.

"You walked out of the room to talk on the phone?" Guthrie asked.

"Absolutely, I wanted him to rest."

He insisted Jackson was not on an infusion that would stop his breathing and, "I was not supposed to be monitoring him at that time because there was no need for monitoring."

Other doctors testified at Murray's trial that leaving a patient alone after giving him an anesthetic was an egregious deviation from the standard of care expected of a physician.

In one exchange, Murray suggested that had he known that Jackson had a problem with addiction to medications he might have acted differently. Experts testified that he should have researched Jackson's medical history before he undertook his treatment for insomnia.

On the day Jackson died, June 25, 2009, Murray said he believed he had weaned the singer off of propofol, the drug Jackson called his "milk."

But when Jackson could not sleep, Murray told "Today," he gave the entertainer a very small dose of propofol.

In retrospect, he said he probably should have walked away when Jackson asked for propofol. But he said he would have been abandoning a friend.

Meanwhile, the disclosure that MSNBC will air a documentary about Murray brought outrage Wednesday from the executors of Jackson's estate, who said Murray is getting a prime-time platform to smear Jackson's reputation without fear of cross-examination.

The executors, John Branca and John McClain, demanded the program entitled "Michael Jackson and the Doctor: A Fatal Friendship" be cancelled. The network said it had no comment.

Murray, 58, was hired by Jackson at a promised salary of $150,000 a month to accompany the singer on his "This Is It" concert tour to London.

A jury that heard six weeks of testimony convicted Murray of involuntary manslaughter. He is now being held in Los Angeles County Jail awaiting sentencing Nov. 29 and could face up to four years in prison.

In a separate interview broadcast Wednesday, one of the jurors said there were contentious moments, including yelling and cajoling, during the two days of deliberations.

Debbie Franklin, 48, told ABC-TV's "Good Morning America" in the first juror interview so far that most of the jurors had decided on guilt Friday, the first day of deliberations.

But, she said "not everyone was convinced that Dr. Murray was solely responsible for Michael Jackson's death."

"Toward the end of the day, we finally took a vote," Franklin said. "It was not unanimous and we talked a little more about it."

The panel decided to think it over during a weekend break.

"It was stressful," said the mother of two, who is a paralegal. She said there was "yelling and we had to keep saying, `Nobody talk while this person is talking. Raise your hand if you have something to say."

The majority managed on Monday to convince all jurors that Murray was negligent and his mistakes led to Jackson death, Franklin said.

"He had addictions. He asked other doctors to do it (give him the operating room anesthetic propofol). They said no. He was looking for somebody to say yes. And Conrad Murray said yes," she said.

An Associated Press reporter approached Franklin for an interview Wednesday but she refused. She said all jurors had agreed not to speak to the media, but she did not explain why they made that agreement or why she spoke to ABC.

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08:14 PM on 11/11/2011
I wondered who would be the first juror drawn irresistibly by media's sickly sweet perfume. While Ms. Franklin certainly has every right to speak, engaging the media can be very tricky business for the uninitiated. Innocent-appearing interviews can be fraught with verbal pitfalls camouflaged by an interviewer's friendly demeanor and a seemingly relaxed atmosphere. Even experienced persons are caught off guard by gentle probing. Should Ms. Franklin continue these media encounters, I hope she will obtain some basic training on how to avoid being manipulated or misinterpreted.
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wilson0004
08:01 PM on 11/10/2011
He got what the jury felt he should. However his attorney seemed to be incompetent in his defense.
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jmoser1973
It is what it is.
03:06 AM on 11/10/2011
I think Michael is absolutely at fault for becoming an addict. Murray is absolutely at fault for keeping it going. Murray made some bad choices, but it's a tough call on what to do with him. I think he should lose his license and be forced to be productive, like maybe work in a drug treatment program and whatever other community service they can find for him to do. Maybe jail is what he needs, but I don't think it will solve anything here. It's not like he will be hired too many places anytime soon. I really don't want to hear his side of the story now though. All the interviews with him will make me turn my tv off.
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Gavin Saunders
we only have each other
02:46 AM on 11/10/2011
"because it was inconsequential – 25 milligrams and the effect's gone. Means nothing."

If Murray was only giving Jackson "a small dose" of propofol, or as it is more commonly known as, milk of amnesia, why did he order more than 4 gallons of it?
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nanz1115
07:26 PM on 11/09/2011
I agree with the verdict. Michael Jackson was a addict. Doctor Murray was his legal drug dealer.
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philhellene
Far Left and Proud of It!
07:06 PM on 11/09/2011
She just said that some jurors had decided on Murray's guilt after the first day of testimony - grounds for an appeal?
08:10 PM on 11/09/2011
That's not what she said. She said after the first day of deliberations.
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philhellene
Far Left and Proud of It!
08:23 PM on 11/09/2011
My bad.
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vernsmaria
knickfan212
06:45 PM on 11/09/2011
I think this trial was a joke and is heading right to an appeals court. I heard on a show one juror could barely understand english and another had to translate about the case while in the jury room.
If true, there is no way that verdict should stand.
08:13 PM on 11/09/2011
I don't know where you "heard" that, but it's all garbage.
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jmoser1973
It is what it is.
03:00 AM on 11/10/2011
all jurors have to understand english.
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zombywulf
Pirate Captain Church of Saint Jerry
03:55 PM on 11/09/2011
Sounds like the pro pedophile jurors pulled a RepubliCON tactic and shouted down the sane ones.
08:17 PM on 11/09/2011
Sounds like you're ridiculous. What does that have to do with medical negligence resulting in the death of a patient? The facts are the facts. He was not a sleep specialist, addiction specialist or anesthesiologist. He had no business treating MJ for anything or using anesthesia - period.
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Gavin Saunders
we only have each other
02:48 AM on 11/10/2011
What is your problem?
03:02 PM on 11/09/2011
All young physicians­, let this be a lesson to you. You will have patients what will say they are unable to get any rest, or that they have pain beyond endurance. Be careful with your zeal to accommodate­e especially late night in the ER. As you can see from this criminal trial, your future, your family, your reputation might be lying in the balance. The patients family might see your ardor to help as criminal & will do all in their power to punish you. Perhaps you think your satisfied patients & their support will aid you ? Think again ... think about Dr Murray who had never did a criminal act in his life led away in handcuff the same as Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer
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Kat Ingalls
Don't believe everything you read
03:05 PM on 11/09/2011
I like what you said right up until the reference to Jeffrey Dahmer. Not the same at all.
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kiksadi50
02:13 PM on 11/09/2011
I don't understand why jurors can talk about this stuff after the trial has ended.their job was to determine if Murray was negligent;not determine if his behavior was the sole cause(as in long term pill addiction obtained illegally.that's another case & trial.the guy was administering an anesthetic for a sleep disorder for god's sake. he deserves to be convicted.if he doesn't lose his medical license forever I hope the Jackson's bring a civil suit that makes O.J. Simpson's civil suit brought by one of the families, look like a slap on the wrist.
11:28 AM on 11/10/2011
The Civil Suits are already in motion kiksadi50. Joe Jackson is suing Conrad Murray in Civil Court and Katherine is suing AEG in Civil Court, but I am not sure if she is suing C. Murray or not. Murray's Civil Court attorney has already come forward to say the trial will not start for many months...well into 2012 if not later. Conrad Murray will be dealing with lawsuits for many years to come.
01:50 PM on 11/09/2011
But, she said in the interview videotaped earlier, "not everyone was convinced that Dr. Murray was solely responsible for Michael Jackson's death."

If there is any doubt at all, the jury must find innocent. This is the failure of the American justice system.

Also, the evidence said there were two drugs in Jackson's system which when mixed together would cause death. The doctor would have known this and would not have given Jackson this deadly combination. Jackson, not knowing this, medicated himself when the doctor stepped out of thr room to go to the bathroom and caused his own death.
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Rascal7
Don't mistake my kindness for weakness
02:07 PM on 11/09/2011
Listen deeper to what she said.
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kiksadi50
02:19 PM on 11/09/2011
administering an anesthetic used for surgery as a treatment for insomnia?murray knew jackson was using other central nervous system depressants.he chose to risk jackson's life by refusing to give him anything while abusing other medication, let alone an anesthetic.what is the matter with people?this isn't ethical medical practice!!!!! murray didn't want to jeapordize the gravy train so he never said 'no' to jackson.M.J. had a boat load of enablers.
i the ys
eternity takes no time at all
01:36 PM on 11/09/2011
Just say NO to drugs. Better to burn a fatty than to take drugs.
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Kat Ingalls
Don't believe everything you read
01:50 PM on 11/09/2011
But a fatty is a drug.
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Pod-gers
Jeremy Lin = Game Change
01:55 PM on 11/09/2011
Even brocoli is a drug under your definition!
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camanokat
Outta this world
02:25 PM on 11/09/2011
It's a plant.
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01:34 PM on 11/09/2011
It's interesting to speculate as to what would have happened once MJ had gone to London, would CM still have been able to medicate him?

Was CM authorized to practice medicine in the UK? And would he really have been able to obtain large quantities of an anesthetic drug? It seems unlikely.

And judging by his death-bed appearance, would MJ really have had the stamina to complete 50 shows at the O2?
01:34 PM on 11/09/2011
I don't blame the dealer when the addict kills himself.
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Rascal7
Don't mistake my kindness for weakness
02:06 PM on 11/09/2011
Unless the dealer is the one shootin' you up while you are asleep and he is a doctor at that.
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Tom Servo
what a snob.
01:32 PM on 11/09/2011
I thought the judge ordered jurors to be silent for 90 days?
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Jeffrey Bryson
Truth is a messy thing.
01:40 PM on 11/09/2011
No, he released them from their gag order immediately upon Murray's conviction.
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Red45
We can turn the tide
04:37 PM on 11/09/2011
That was the Casey Anthony trial, I think.