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Super Committee Remains Deadlocked Despite Exchange Of Plans

Super Committee Congress Deficit Debt

DAVID ESPO   11/10/11 06:42 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — With Congress' supercommittee stymied, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta warned Thursday of a "paper tiger" Pentagon if the panel fails to agree on a deficit-reduction plan and automatic spending cuts take effect as a result beginning in 2013.

The reductions would lead to a hollow force, he said at a Pentagon news conference, "a ship without sailors. It's a brigade without bullets. It's an air wing without enough trained pilots. ... An Army of barracks, buildings and bombs without enough trained soldiers able to accomplish the mission. It's a force that suffers low morale, poor readiness and is unable to keep up with potential adversaries."

The supercommittee has until Nov. 23 to agree on a deficit-reduction package of at least $1.2 trillion over a decade. Any amount less than that would be made up in across-the-board cuts divided evenly between defense and domestic programs. If the committee failed entirely, according to estimates by the Congressional Budget Office, the Pentagon would have about $450 billion less to spend over the next 10 years than current projections, leaving it with nearly $600 billion at its disposal in 2021.

The legislation that created the 12-member supercommittee earlier this year was crafted to make the threat of across-the-board cuts a powerful incentive for lawmakers to reach a compromise. But in recent days, following an exchange of offers Monday night at a meeting of a rump group of four Republicans and three Democrats, the chances of a deficit-reduction deal appear to have dimmed.

"As we get closer to the end it's harder to be optimistic. But I'm hopeful," Sen. Rob Portman, R-Ohio, told reporters.

The committee's co-chairs met privately, and each said afterward – without evident optimism – that the negotiations were continuing.

"Nobody walked away, nobody," Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., told reporters, disputing statements to the contrary from some Republicans. Asked whether the panel was stalled, she said, "I would absolutely not say we are stalled. I would not use that word at all."

Texas Rep. Jeb Hensarling, Murray's Republican counterpart, went out of his way to compliment Democrats for negotiating in good faith, and also to praise President Barack Obama for identifying escalating health care costs as the principal force behind huge deficits.

"So we remain hopeful. This is not part of a blame game," he said.

Yet there were elements of that too.

After largely watching from the sidelines in recent weeks, senior administration officials unleashed an attack on Republicans, telling reporters that any failure in negotiations would result from a GOP unwillingness to raise taxes on the wealthy.

In particular, they criticized a Republican offer from earlier in the week, which included a first-ever offer to raise government revenues, as a tax cut in disguise for upper-income Americans.

In rebuttal, Republicans said their offer of $300 billion in increased revenue marked a significant concession designed to show Democrats they were serious about reaching a deal. Several added that the vociferous criticism from Democrats indicated the White House and key Democrats in Congress had decided not to permit an agreement in hopes the resulting gridlock would help Obama's re-election bid in a slow-growth and high-unemployment economy.

Given the political maneuvering, it was unclear whether future offers might be designed to complete an agreement or merely to gain political positioning for the eventual collapse of the negotiations.

Compounding the difficulties, according to officials in both parties, were internal divisions.

That was most evident during the day among Democrats, some of whom spoke on the Senate floor against a proposal to slow the growth in future cost-of-living increases under Social Security.

"I am not for having the seniors in America share the brunt of sacrifice with a proposal like this," Sen. Maria Cantwell, D-Wash., said.

She said the proposal – once embraced by Democratic negotiators but since jettisoned – "is a cut that would increase over time and literally the longer you live, the more you're penalized."

The committee hasn't convened as a group for days, but the meetings continued nearly non-stop.

At one point Thursday, the three Senate Republican negotiators met with their party's leader, Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky. At the same time, Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., one of three Senate Democrats on the supercommittee, was conferring with Majority Leader Harry Reid elsewhere on the second floor of the Capitol.

A short while later, a Democratic House member on the committee, Rep. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, walked into the suite of offices occupied by Sen. Jon Kyl, second-ranking GOP leader and also a member of the panel.

"There are a lot of discussions," Baucus told reporters as he walked past.

Kyl had a different take. "We had reached an impasse" earlier in the week, he said.

"Not much has happened since."

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Associated Press writers Donna Cassata, Andrew Taylor and Erica Werner contributed to this report.

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Charles Queen
I am a disabled nam vet
07:36 PM on 11/14/2011
Ya, it might be wise of them to hold off on raising tax's right now
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Charles Queen
I am a disabled nam vet
10:49 PM on 11/12/2011
This supercommittee is a waste of time and money,plain and simple.They have yet to acomplish anything usefull whatsoever.Meanwhile the demos want to blow another 2. some trillion in deficit.None of this is anygood.Niehter side is doing anything to help us,their to busy fighting with each other.Makes absolutely no sense.They could easily wipe out the national deficit with one single bill but nope,they still won't fo it even though it's harmless enough and would help in many ways besides erasing the deficit within 3-4 years if not sooner.I'm sure you all know what I'm talking about by now.Seems to me they don't want to fix anything at all
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JohnnyAce Okeke
GRAND MASTER SEN$Ei {{-_-}}™
05:20 PM on 11/11/2011
This smells rather unconstitutional. {{-_-}}
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Charles Queen
I am a disabled nam vet
03:45 PM on 11/11/2011
Super commitee is more like supe joke.As fopr the demos idea,thats definitely not going to work.The repubs haven't come up with anything good yet.What I see is a whole bunch of totaly inept people.One wants to raise tax's,that's not gonna float at all.One wants to spend more,thats not gonna float.Seems like none of them know what their doing.If they would quit acting like children and work together,I'm certain they could come up with a plan that would male everyone happy,until they do though,nothing good is going to come out of any of this
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BeatlesPrudence
Beware of Liberals posing as Americans
01:21 PM on 11/11/2011
Whatever made them believe that this unautrhoruzed Supre Committee was going to accomplish anything more than the House or Congress?! Its clear by this article that this is nothing more than smoke and mirrors attempt "in hopes the resulting gridlock would help Obama's re-election bid in a slow-growth and high-unemployment economy." Fired every single one of them, including the president!
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mudshark12
Now who are you jiving with that cosmik debris?
12:36 AM on 11/11/2011
The only thing super about this committee is it's name. What a bunch of losers, are they going for 5% approval or what!
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treadway123
treadway123
11:39 PM on 11/10/2011
I say: "Put it on T.V, every conversation, every deal they make, who's making it"! Let the American people in on the conversations that effect each/every one of us!! Transparent, remember?
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bookreader451
"You can't ever have my books," she said.
08:09 PM on 11/10/2011
the abundance of tr 0lls just tells me this is another topic targeted for diversion.
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pakaal
Pigs, in cages, on antibiotics
08:06 PM on 11/10/2011
Wow, from the looks of things, the $$ paid to create this congressional "Super-committee" is already paying dividends! No partisan struggles in public, both sides working together, budget proposals announced.

That's all happening in a parallel universe of course, back here in this dimension it's just another waste of time and money.
02:18 PM on 11/10/2011
Congress want to cut deficits. Then they should pay for their Benefits just like the American People. Take a pay cut and stop all the earmark to pass a bill to help themselvse. Pass law not only for the American People but One that hold them accountable for what they do. They make law to keep themselvse out of jail. Law that would put anyone in jail but them. Cut up their credit card and make them Pay for ever day thing just like the American People do. Not make the American People pay for it for them. They vote for their Benefits and their pay and the bills that Benefits them. We need new People in Congress for the People not the Wealthy and Rich to take all from the American People. That all Congress have done for the last thirty years take from the American People. If this was to do with their Benefits and their pay. Congress would vote in less then one min on it to pass. Only to Benefit them they don't care about the American People. That why they don't want to cut spending because they only want to spend other People money.
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treadway123
treadway123
11:45 PM on 11/10/2011
Well said! Pretty much they should have to pay for everything out of their pay checks except their security! Cut in their pay checks would be nice, as they cut elders SS checks on them!
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tbot48
common sense is no longer common
01:46 PM on 11/10/2011
Put the super committee in a big glass ball and hang a time released cyanide pill over it... If they can't do what's right in time, clear the bodies and put 12 more politicians in there...
Either way it goes, it works for me...
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RosieRetro
Military Retiree/Veteran non-aligned Independent
01:38 PM on 11/10/2011
The best thing about liberals is that at least they have an enough of a open mind to cooperate each other.

When it comes time to vote - think of liberals as extroverts with an open mind when it comes to options, and conservatives as introverts with phobias.

Who would you rather have serve this nation -

LIBERAL EXTROVERTS with open minds and no fear

OR

CONSERVATIVE PSYCHOTIC PARANOID INTROVERTS who have a Debbie Downer attitude that finds something wrong with everything, including: unions, women having rights, various types of sex, letting other nations run their governments how they want, alternatives to fossil fuels, having the wealthy make financial sacrifices, and not letting religious beliefs drive government agendas

Voters have a choice in 2012.
01:10 PM on 11/10/2011
WAKE UP VOTER'S" Because all those A..Holes know how to do is screw the poor and make their buddies rich. first thing on the agenda is always cut medicade medicare SS cut vet's benifits shaft our servicemen and women who sometimes lay down their lives so those A..Holes in Washington can live the life they are liveing. SO" WAKE UP VOTERS KICK THEM OUT"
01:07 PM on 11/10/2011
I think everyone on that committee should resign if they can get their jobs done. I think most people agree that there needs to be cuts to social programs as well as additional revenue in the form of tax reform.

I see it as a getting your job done thing, not a republican or democrat thing.

real change begins with opening a bank account with your local community credit union, and not voting for a democrat or republican.
likes2kayak
Freedom to the USA!
01:32 PM on 11/10/2011
Why don't we cut aid to foreign countries first? Why did we send billions to Brazil to drill for oil? Why did we send billions to Columbia to build oil refineries? Why are we arming our enemies in the mideast with tons of weapons and money?? The people in this country are already hurting with the economy as bad as it is! And, even as I admit there are too many social programs in this country we cannot just cut instantly because it would cause chaos and deaths. The price of groceries is going to spike sky high pretty soon. Inflation is inevitable when the Feds print money. It takes 3-4 years for inflation to hit... We are now seeing the effects of the 2008 printing. And they haven't stopped printing since! So were do you think it will leave everyone?
And yes I lost my job and I am one they don't count anymore. But also I am NOT on any assistance from anyone so cutting any social programs will not hurt me.
01:03 PM on 11/10/2011
Super Committee=Stupidest idea Congress has ever come up with.
02:27 PM on 11/10/2011
Just away to pass the dollar as you say. They don't want to take the fall for the cut to the Benefits the American People pay for. But they will take the dollars.