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TheCall Detroit Mixes Anti-Muslim Rhetoric With Message Of Racial Reconciliation

Lou Engle Thecall

First Posted: 11/13/11 11:40 AM ET Updated: 11/17/11 09:22 AM ET

DETROIT -- A neo-Pentecostal minister with a history of preaching intolerance against gays and Muslims brought thousands of people from Michigan together for a 24-hour prayer meeting in this city on Friday and Saturday, despite condemnations from local faith leaders.

The minister, Lou Engle, has organized a series of prayer meetings in arenas and amphitheaters over the past decade. The events, known as TheCall, have often targeted abortion rights and gay rights. He is notorious for speaking in support of legislation in Uganda that would have sentenced gays to death simply for being gay.

The promotional website for TheCall Detroit had warned about "the rising tide of the Islamic movement," but after complaints about that phrase, TheCall dropped it from its website.

Still, inside Ford Field on Friday night and Saturday morning, warnings that Muslims needed to be converted continued. But those warnings didn't reach as many people as Engle expected. Although organizers had predicted more than 50,000 would attend, the mostly empty stadium seemed to have perhaps a tenth of that.

Before the event, Engle said the reason the event lasted 24 hours was that "you got to pray all night long because it's when the Muslims sleep," according to the Christian Post.

"We are going to pray in nightwatch that the love of love of Jesus would break in on Muslims all across this area, dreams of Jesus," Engle told a rapt crowd on Friday night. "Let Dearborn see the face of Jesus," he said, referring to the nearby city, which has a large Muslim population.

Mike Bickle, a close associate of Engle's from the International House of Prayer in Kansas, asked for the Christian God to be "magnified over every other false God" in the Middle East.

Their rhetoric about defeating "every other false God" mixed uneasily with some of Engle's more conciliatory statements during the night about interracial and interdenominational unity. In the weeks leading up to TheCall, Engle made extensive attempts to enlist black Detroit ministers to his cause, and on Friday he said he had "never been received" like he had by his "black American brothers and sisters."

Although the Detroit metro region is highly racially segregated, the crowd for TheCall was racially mixed. An African-American imam and some of the city's leading black ministers, however, charged that Engle was sowing racial divisiveness with his calls to convert Muslims.

"This agenda has nothing to do with Christianity," said Charles E. Williams II, a pastor from the King Solomon Baptist Church who held a press conference against TheCall on Wednesday and then a protest outside it with about 150 others on Friday. "It has all to do with, we're going to come to Detroit, and we're going to put some fear in black Detroiters."

The program for TheCall featured nearly three hours of prayer about the "African American LIFE Movement." By the time that segment began, the crowd was mostly white. Engle, along with a variety of African-American pastors, decried abortion in Detroit and elsewhere. He prayed for the face of Jesus to "break over the black, the inner city" to "end the slavery, the abortion."

Dawud Walid, the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relation's Michigan chapter, said on Saturday that he watched some of the event over a video livestream and said the rhetoric was as fear-mongering as he had expected based on Engle's past comments.

Walid held out particular ire for Kamal Saleem, who claims to be an ex-terrorist who converted to Christianity. In the early morning hours on Saturday, Saleem told his story of working on terrorist missions for the PLO before undergoing a conversion from Sunni Islam to Christianity.

"If he's an ex-terrorist, he should sue me for slander. Because I'm calling him a fake," said Walid, who claims Saleem's real name is Khodor Shami. "He's a charlatan making money off of Islam-bashing."

Despite Engle's hopes, Walid reported on Saturday that the face of Jesus did not break over him in his dreams.

"No, but I sighted Jesus this morning when I picked up the Koran and read it," said Walid. "Jesus is called the messiah in the Koran, and I read about him this morning."

CLARIFICATION: This report has been updated to clarify that Lou Engle is a neo-Pentecostal minister.
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04:45 AM on 11/30/2011
**He is notorious for speaking in support of legislation in Uganda that would have sentenced gays to death simply for being gay**

As a Christian I will pray for him. No one should be killed because they are "gay" in this world and for him to support this is wrong.
12:19 PM on 11/28/2011
"O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 713)
Muhammad died and said that he died by poison that cut his aorta,
but in the Quran it says that if Muhammad was lying Allah would kill him by cutting his aorta.
Translations of the Qur'an,

QUR'AN CHAPTER 69:
AL-HAAQQA (THE REALITY)
Verse 46
069.044 And if the messenger were to invent any sayings in Our name,
069.046 And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EKv26OUiA8
06:04 PM on 11/19/2011
LOU ENGLE IS A FALSE PROPHET!! WAKE UP PEOPLE!!
08:01 PM on 11/18/2011
A plea to my muslim brothers and sisters, please outpopulate Europe (and take it over) so the United States will FINALLY begin to fear the Lord again. I am counting on you!
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11:48 PM on 11/16/2011
What stands out in this discussion is that the pastor of the King Solomon Baptist Church (KSBC) said that TheCall's agenda has nothing to do with Christianity and the congregation staged a protest against TheCall's prayer event. KSBC has had a history of social justice leanings and hosted Nation of Islam conferences in the 1950s and 1960s where more than once Malcolm X was the speaker.
06:43 PM on 11/16/2011
Mr. Engle founded the International House of Prayer, not be confused with the International House of Pancakes, which prohibits discrimination and maintains much higher educational requirements for its leadership positions.
02:01 PM on 11/15/2011
thank you Lou Engle for preaching love and not tolerance. even if one muslim or one gay person hears and repents it will all be worth it!
02:46 PM on 11/15/2011
Since neither is something to repent about, don't hold your breath. better yet, maybe you should.
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Nabil Muhammad
03:16 PM on 11/15/2011
lol
05:41 PM on 11/15/2011
again, if homosexuality is good or right, what would happen if all of society were homosexual? it would cease to exist. look at the big picture. don't let your emotions deceive you. it's not love, its perversion.

God loves the homosexual community and He is reaching out to them and offering them a better way. i know many homosexuals who have allowed God to heal their broken lives and are now married and have children. it's a long hard road, but there is hope in Jesus
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Ioan Lightoller
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06:42 AM on 11/16/2011
Get over yourself. Muslims and GLBT people have nothing to repent for. Maybe you Christians just need to leave people alone. Look in your own souls...there is more than enough to work on right there.
12:30 PM on 11/16/2011
everyone has to repent, not just homosexuals and muslims. its is the doorway into the kingdom. you can't enter unless you repent. i did, in fact every one who has been born again does. get over yourself. who are you that you don't have to repent. are you perfect?
10:13 AM on 11/15/2011
There is all this talk about hate, but I'm trying to see where Lou Engle preached any hate. Orthodox Christianity believes there is only one God, and only the blood of Jesus Christ can take away your sin for you to go to heaven. We love all people and want all people to be saved, therefore we want them to be "converted". It isn't out of hate but out of love that we convert people. If we hated muslims we would want them to go to hell. But we pray that they would be saved. How is that hate? It's the same thing with the gay community. Please be tolerant of our beliefs.
11:23 AM on 11/15/2011
ONLY ONE GOD? WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DISMISS ALL THE OTHER POSSIBLE GODS YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHY I DISMISS YOURS.
02:48 PM on 11/15/2011
I can say that the holocaust happened, someone else could say it didnt. The bottom line is that it either did or did not happen. There is something true!

This is the same with beliefs. Somebody has to be right! There is a truth whether we know it or not. If I believe Christianity to be true then I am saying that everybody else is wrong. Sucks, but I must accept one truth. you cannot accept them all. You can live in harmony, love, and tolerance with them all. But you dont have to believe what they believe.

Therefore it is irresponsible to say that "everybody is right". Even if that is truly what you believe because in doing so you are implying that anyone who does not believe that "everybody is right", is wrong. Therefore dismiss my God all you want. It is your right. I will dismiss yours, it is my right. But that doesn't mean we cant be tolerant and understand each others Gods (or lack there of).

Welcome to the real world my friend, people believe your beliefs are wrong. I accept that, can you? Now what are you going to do? Attack me, prove me wrong, or live in harmony with me despite what I believe? All three have been tried by every belief that ever existed including atheism.
02:52 PM on 11/15/2011
and i will be the first to admit Christians are guilty of intolerance often. But so does every belief. My comment made applies to everyone, including christians. Dont think I am saying that Christians are not guilty of this terrible disease of intolerance that leads to violence and division. Take the point for what I intended it to be. You can only change your own attitude.
12:09 PM on 11/15/2011
So I have to be tolerant of your beliefs, yet you are not tolerant of other peoples beliefs? You and your kind are definitly not tolerant of our gay and lesbian citizens. So please before you ask for my tolerance why not try some of your own.
01:59 PM on 11/15/2011
i'm not the one preaching tolerance. if you guys want tolerance then you should tolerate my beliefs as well as any others. i think its quite ironic that the tolerance movement is so intolerant of my beliefs.

i don't preach tolerance. i preach love. and if you truly love someone you will let them know when they are headed towards destruction. out of love we are asking muslims and gays to reconsider their ways. repent and turn towards Jesus and be saved.

God bless you all =)
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09:17 AM on 11/15/2011
I was raised a Holy Roller Assembly of Gawd evangelical. Make no mistake that religion is based on HATE in my day the hated were Catholics and Jews. In the last few years they have pretended to make nice with those religions at least on the surface because it serves their political ends. The Muslims are a nice target now. In reality they hate anyone who isn't as crazy as they are and the flock comes to be sheared on a regular basis. I found more real fellowship on Sunday morning at the dragstrip.
10:49 PM on 11/15/2011
So you claim to know everything there is to know about a religion thousands of years old because of your few narrow experiences even when hundreds of millions of others claim they experience something totally different (including myself).

That is the definition of ignorance my friend. Sorry your experience sucked, im disappointed they were a bad example. But don't tell me what I believe.
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ttsgw
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05:53 AM on 11/15/2011
Religion is by definition intolerant.
10:09 AM on 11/15/2011
sounds like you are being intolerant of the orthodox christian beliefs?
02:51 PM on 11/15/2011
Nope, as longa s they do not try to force me to follow their beliefs or make laws that prevent me from following mine, they are free to beleive whatever they want.
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Doug Sandlin
We see the world not as it is, but as we are.
10:00 PM on 11/15/2011
Hinduism?
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Michael Hallmark
10:51 PM on 11/14/2011
These pastors are just shameless narcissists, they crave attention and have no useful talents that would earn them attention honorably, so they they put these hate rallies together.
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crowepps
09:12 PM on 11/14/2011
Racial reconciliation? Where's the 'reconciliation' in 'us White haters will welcome among us those Blacks who are willing to hate with us -- hate their Black brothers who are gay, their Black sisters and brothers who are Muslim'. Who knew getting rid of racism would be so easy? All both Blacks and Whites had to do was switch to hating on the basis of religion and sexual orientation instead.
08:24 PM on 11/14/2011
I urge people to think, to listen, and to seek the truth. After reading these comments it is clear there is destructive hate from every side. Listen to yourselves, do not claim to understand the world in its complexity enough to judge one another, and yes I am referring to athiests judging christians as well as christians judging everyone else.

To Christians. If you hate or judge anyone who does not believe then i urge you to seriously re-examine your faith. Jesus teaches "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone". Did God appoint you judge? No he did not, God forgave us an enormous debt so we must forgive all others, act in love, and constantly seek the truth. Remember Jesus had not sinned and could have cast the stone but he did not so what gives you the right to?

To the "God Haters". Does it ever hurt to listen? Is not truth important? Is truth something you can google search? NO. Look for it with humility and a heart desiring answers. Never stop looking because you cannot afford to be wrong in this life. If you plug your ears in retort you will never hear the truth of Christ even if it was shown in miraculous signs before you.
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bokhattak
Novelist, Muslim, Nerd.
05:43 PM on 11/15/2011
Well said. As a Muslim, I find it far more valuable to listen to my fellow believers (Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc) objectively and with love and understanding. When we start to "cast the first stone" as Jesus said, we only hurt ourselves and the potentially outstanding inter-faith relationships we could have.
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StevenevetS
12:58 PM on 11/17/2011
Who exactly is a "God Hater"?

You have persuaded yourself that your hyperbole is true.
As you preach non-judgment, you apply disparaging labels to those that you are judging.
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LintLass
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07:16 PM on 11/14/2011
Honest question from a simple Pagan: Is anyone arguing about this stuff still actually feeling like the good guys?
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bokhattak
Novelist, Muslim, Nerd.
05:45 PM on 11/15/2011
Good question. :)

I would love to sit down with a Christian, Pagan, Buddhist, etc and learn about their culture and beliefs as a person who is curious about the variety of ways the divine created and interacts in our world. There's more beauty in our differentness than a forced sameness.
10:54 PM on 11/15/2011
I wish more people saw as you do! Hate only destroys and never builds up. I with more of my Christian brothers thought like you too, I know many that do but sadly, for both of us, the media focuses on the uglies.
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Atwill
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05:48 PM on 11/14/2011
another wack a doodle minister.
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crowepps
09:13 PM on 11/14/2011
Another OBSCENELY RICH wackadoodle minister.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
06:52 AM on 11/16/2011
A big Blessed be to THAT!