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Gun-Check System Misses Millions Of Drug Abusers, People With Mental Illness, New Report Finds


Posted: 11/14/11 10:13 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- Millions of reports on people barred by federal law from purchasing guns because of serious mental illness and drug abuse are never added to the federal background check system, according to a study set to be released Tuesday.

The report, by Mayors Against Illegal Guns and entitled "Fatal Gaps: How Missing Records In The Federal Background Check System Put Guns In The Hands Of Killers," was sparked by last January's assassination attempt on Rep. Gabby Giffords (D-Ariz.) that left six people dead and 14 injured.

The study, to be presented in a Senate hearing, finds two huge gaps in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), which is supposed to keep guns out of the hands of serious drug abusers and those with mental illness.

The first, harder to fix problem, is that many states and state agencies do not cooperate with the system. The second is that federal agencies don't comply either. Congress tried to remedy both after the Virginia Tech massacre in 2007 that left 32 people dead and 15 injured, but with only partial success.

"Millions of records identifying seriously mentally ill people and drug abusers as prohibited purchasers are missing from the federal background check database because of lax reporting by state agencies," the report says.

That is the tougher problem because, the report says, the Constitution's 10th Amendment means that the federal government cannot force the states to turn over records.

Congress wrote up a number of financial incentives to get states to comply after the Virginia Tech killings, but so far the inducements have not worked well.

Among the more troubling statistics on state compliance, the report finds that 23 states and the District of Columbia each have submitted fewer than 100 records of people with disqualifying mental illness. And 17 states have handed over fewer than 10 records, while another four states have not turned in any.

The stats are even worse with substance abuse reports. Forty-four states have submitted fewer than 10 records, and 33 of those haven't turned in any.

Still, the report found some signs of progress, in that vastly more mental health records are being added to NCIS. In 2006, before the Virginia Tech outburst, only 405 gun sales were stopped for mental health reasons, while that figure jumped to 6,103 in 2010.

The mayors recommend beefing up incentives to get states to do more.

Perhaps more troubling is a startling lack of compliance by federal agencies, the report found.

"Federal agencies are not reporting records to NICS, even though the NICS Improvement Act requires all federal agencies to provide 'any record of any person' who is prohibited from purchasing firearms to the FBI on at least a quarterly basis," the report says.

Of 61 agencies that the mayors were able to get data on from the FBI, 52 had reported no mental illness records, with nearly all of the 143,579 that were reported coming from the Department of Veterans Affairs.

It's worse with substance abuse -- about 90 percent of 12,000 controlled substance records -- reports of people caught with illegal drugs -- have come from the courts.

"The vast majority of federal agencies, including the Drug Enforcement Administration, the Department of Defense and the Air Force, Army, Navy and Marine Corps, have not submitted a single substance abuse record," the report says. The report recommends that Obama issue an executive order compelling agencies to report more efficiently.

The study will be presented at a hearing of the Senate Subcommittee on Crime and Terrorism, where among the witnesses will be Pat Maisch, a survivor of Loughner's Tucson shooting spree.

Some 50 other survivors of mass shootings will also visit the Capitol to push for better reporting, capping the National Drive to Fix Gun Checks, launched by Omar Samaha, whose sister died at Virginia Tech.

While the Senate will be highlighting the flaws in the gun control system, the House will be acting to loosen gun restrictions Tuesday, taking up a measure that would require states to honor other jurisdictions' concealed-carry permits.

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WASHINGTON -- Millions of reports on people barred by federal law from purchasing guns because of serious mental illness and drug abuse are never added to the federal background check system, accordin...
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realpolitic 11:28 PM on 11/14/2011
Obama must act. The nation is awash in guns. Interestingly, only a few of us own must of the guns. There are an estimated 192 million firearms in civilian hands. Yet, fewer and fewer Americans own more and more guns. About 10 percent of the adult population owns 77 percent of the total stock of firearms. So this 10%, undoubtedly influenced by by the NRA, is responsible for the laxness of our gun laws and  Read More...
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vidian6
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03:34 PM on 03/10/2013
Drug abusers can't be added to the system, because then you would open up a large can of worms. Such as what drug abuse actually is, when someone has too much alcohol before they qualify as a drug abusers. How many prescription medications can you be one and still be allowed to continue to possess weapons. That just will not work!!
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LouGots
06:59 AM on 12/14/2011
Having used a drug in the past does not necessarily place one into a Section 922 (g) Prohibited Person category. One must be a present user, or be addicted, or, of course, have been convicted of some offense considered a felony for such purposes. Merely having used drugs in the past, or even having a misdemeanor dug conviction won't do it. Read the law. http://www.atf.gov/firearms/how-to/identify-prohibited-persons.html
12:30 AM on 11/24/2011
This could be part of the solution at the state level:

"...for years, most states refused to provide the names of mental incompetents, due in part to costs and bureaucratic difficulties and in part to privacy concerns for the mentally ill.

Florida officials said that before 2007 it was all but impossible to obtain the data from the clerks of court in the individual counties, who were often loath to provide the information.

"There was so much surrounding that data that we weren't able to proceed," said Martha Wright, chief of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement's user services bureau. "We didn't have legal authority (to demand it) and no one was interested in providing it."

NRA: 'No problem with the law'

The 2007 law, put together by state officials with input from National Rifle Association attorneys, changed that. Now the clerk of courts in each Florida county is responsible for cataloging the identities of anyone recently declared mentally incompetent and sending them to the FDLE, which then enters the information into the FBI's database.

"It was a necessary tool for enforcing the existing (federal) law," said Marion Hammer, the NRA's Florida lobbyist and the organization's former national president. "If you don't have a mechanism in place the law is meaningless. We had no problem with the law." "

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime/despite-his-mental-history-thanksgiving-murder-suspect-armed-951352.html?page=2&viewAsSinglePage=true
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LouGots
02:54 PM on 11/19/2011
This is an important report. It definitely tells us something about the very idea of so-called "gun control."

It doesn't work. It's a fiasco.

Read the piece closely. The laws get passed; nobody, or almost nobody inputs the data the way they are supposed to, and the Instant Record Check System is a clown show.

Don't worry, Grabbers. We're going to fix the gun laws after the 2012 election. RTC reciprocity is only the beginning. We are going after a new FOPA---Firearms Owners Protection Act--to fix all the "loopholes" in protecting and advanced the RKBA.

We'll be looking for statutory restoration of rights, with automatic restoration after passage of time, and clearer definittions of disqualifying factors. Another "to-do" is elimination of "sporting purpose" as a criterion for imports--the Second Amendment is not about fun and games.

You'll see--we've got a little list.
07:03 PM on 11/17/2011
Okay, after reading the report.. I'm a bit disappointed. Well, actually quite disappointed with the author of this piece. First off, Millions of Records does NOT equal millions of people. No where in the report does it substantiate that claim. You assumed that one report equals one person. You assumed very poorly, as anyone can tell you that even amoung the very, VERY generalized categories listed in the report per state, a single person would generate many of those reports multiple times. Since each state has different laws relating to the NICS, which means what determines a "report" varies greatly in numbers.

The study also was not intended to be used in the way that you chose either. The report was to highlight a need to improve overall reporting. It does not have the data to use in the manner in which you did, in fact, the only statement about the "millions of reports" appears to have been made as a general comment and had no data attached to back it up. It also did not go into duplication issues, inaccuracies, or seriousness of illness or drug use, which would have been necessary if highlighting actual danger.

Btw, remember this figure: 0.0012%. That is the percentage of gun owners who killed someone last year, and ranges from Police to Rampaging Attackers, killers to those using them in self-defense. In point of fact, medical errors kill more people.. by a factor of almost 20 to 1.
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JimInHouston
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11:10 AM on 11/18/2011
Your first fan. Fine analysis.
06:40 PM on 03/08/2013
F&F
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RDWidner
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08:09 AM on 11/17/2011
Unfunded mandates frequently fail. Gun control in genera fails. The answer is not to pass more laws but to fund and enforce the ones already on the books.
02:40 PM on 11/16/2011
Before it's over Handguns will be handed out during Halloween inlieu of Snicker Bars.

I don't get it but guns are loved more than Snickers and that don't even come with Peanuts or Caramel?
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tall coolone
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03:19 PM on 11/16/2011
Snickers rock, but I'll take security and peace of mind in my home at night over peanuts and caramel.
03:38 PM on 11/16/2011
Guns is right up there with Base, make that football, Apple Pie, and Ford F150s, or Chevy Silverado, ok or GMC Sierra's, ok and Dodge Ram (which are pretty nice now).

When I've had classes (did a paper once or twice) on the subject, I don't like it but the main conclusion they're too inbreded in the culture to do anything signifcant, even if you could. When you have no real #s, who has them, the criminal element, hunting (very legit), the sport of it, collecting/hobby, protection,...

We'll just have to live with them?

They are too easy to obtain but what can you really do?

Though they're illegal, I have the same conclusion on drugs; which is why I'd legalize them, to at least get a tax revenue from them?
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Rooster Coburn
Less Gov't + More Responsibility = A Better World
07:11 PM on 11/16/2011
This is for you politicians out there: When should you make an impassioned plea for more gun control? A. When you need to raise campaign contributions from wealthy liberal elitists who live in gated communities with private security guards. B. When a high visibility firearm related incident has television's talking heads in a tizzy. C. When you absolutely, positively have to get a laugh from your audience. D. None of the above, never ever mention gun control ever again, it's a losing issue.
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07:29 PM on 11/16/2011
By "talking heads", do you mean news reporters unfortunate enough to be assigned to cover the tragic, bloody aftermath of yet another mass shooting?
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07:49 PM on 11/16/2011
Blood is an inevitable by-product of mass shootings, I'm afraid, otherwise I would surely avoid its mention.
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bryanzth
Honest to Goodness USA Patriot!
11:39 AM on 11/16/2011
Hah. And the rabid mob is all concerned with Fast and Furious... Shows you the absurd ability of the rightwing media to misdirect the masses. BZ.
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Jerry Bourbon
11:46 AM on 11/16/2011
AT LEAST 150 Mexicans died because of Fast and Furious, as well as two US federal agents.

Are you not concerned about this?
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bryanzth
Honest to Goodness USA Patriot!
03:13 PM on 11/16/2011
I knew I would draw tro[[ites out like you. Listen. If the availability is as bad as they say, going across the border is a symptom, not a major cause.

You're kinda funny, too.

BZ.
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Berettasskeeter
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11:48 AM on 11/16/2011
You don't have a problem with the government deliberately allowing firearms to be taken across the border of a sovereign nation, with no controls?? Why is that?
Semper fi
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enlightened45
12:12 PM on 11/16/2011
Yes, and the impetus of my problem lies with the Bush administration who began the practice.
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bryanzth
Honest to Goodness USA Patriot!
03:14 PM on 11/16/2011
The fluidity of the availability of arms makes Fast and Furious a symptom, not a cause.

Breathe. And don't quote Semper fi to ME.

BZ.
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JWebberPhoto
Ain't skeered
11:38 AM on 11/16/2011
ATF say medical-marijuana patients are prohibited from owning guns
http://www.denverpost.com/news/marijuana/ci_19026921
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12:38 PM on 11/16/2011
Do you feel that those who are habitually intoxicated by medical-grade marijuana should not be prohibited from owning guns?
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Ain't skeered
01:16 PM on 11/16/2011
I believe the ATF is following the letter of the law and find the policy consistent with the goal of keeping guns out of the hands of people who are "habitually intoxicated."

That said, I don't believe medical marijuana users are any more impaired than habitual alcohol consumers, and are likely more responsible than the average alcoholic, who, due to the nature of their addiction and the legality of his drug of choice, is de facto exempt from such restrictions.

I do see it as a way to carve off yet another bloc of citizens from exercising a Constitutional right by identifying another class of prohibited individuals.
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rikilii
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03:43 PM on 11/16/2011
No more or less than I think those who are habitually intoxicated by painkillers or other medications should be prohibited from owning cars or parenting children.
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Jerry Bourbon
11:36 AM on 11/16/2011
Funny. None of the hoplophobes want to talk about Fast & Furious.

I wonder why...
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11:46 AM on 11/16/2011
Um, because it has nothing whatsoever to do with the article under discussion? Just guessing.
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David Carson
03:04 PM on 11/17/2011
and when they do--it is an attempt to blame Bush
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Jerry Bourbon
11:33 AM on 11/16/2011
If gun control is so great, why do Bloomberg, Fenistein and Daley have Concealed Carry permits?
12:17 PM on 11/16/2011
Because in their minds they are better than you or I.
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rikilii
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11:28 AM on 11/16/2011
All of this discussion about prohibiting the "mentally ill" (whatever that means) and "drug abusers" (whatever that means) from obtaining firearms presupposes that such people are statistically more likely to commit violent crimes than members of the general population. I have yet to see any evidence, however, to support that premise.
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11:37 AM on 11/16/2011
Would you support empirical research on those issues?
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rikilii
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03:48 PM on 11/16/2011
That depends on what you mean by "support".  If by that you mean "agree that we should give large sums of money to the Brady Campaign to hire partisan research organizations to "prove" it whether it is true or not", then my answer would be no.
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Ain't skeered
11:37 AM on 11/16/2011
Rights organizations for persons with mental illnesses say that the opposite is true: people with mental illness diagnoses tend to be less violent than the gen pop. I'll try to find some sources.
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05:55 PM on 11/16/2011
In the early 1960's this was pushed, not withstanding contrary evidence, to support the establisment of the Communty Mental Heath Act, a much needed program. Subsequently, with deinstitutionalized of the emotional disabled they were able to get help in their community. Psychotics that are stabilized on various treatments with adequate follow ups are differant than the brooding delusional, threating people, with prior history. That said, a large percent of people with significant emotional problems are take psychoactive drugs for serious problems, of theis group many abuse other substances and alcohol. Seventy percent of the general population is noncompliant with medical regimes. Labels frequently read "Do not use and handle dangerous equipment". This is probably ignored to the degree that people text, listen to the radio, and drive in the general population. However, CDL licenses are yanked regularly, from truckdrivers, commercial pilots, or physicians who test positive for drugs in random screens in traffic stops or hospitals, and many outpatient practices. Guns possession seems to be a sacred cow, then that may be pure marketing main effect, like the fore mentioned frequency of criminal behavior amount the mentally impaired. An aside, note, during the 1960's when the mental health programs were spouling up, one third of commercial airline accidents were because the pilot was drunk. That has changed as well as selling lawn darts.
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11:07 AM on 11/16/2011
Not demanding other exclusionary criteria such as being mentally defective, or being committed to overthrowing the US goverment are telling. This Monday, the NYT, had a two and one half page on the long history of the apparant drive and support of the NRA for states reduce and recind felony exclusions for owning guns. If that is so, it seems the "walking guns" issue with the ATF in the Ashcroft/Holder era was a fog cover for their own "running guns" lobby. I have not heard of denials or other opins on the Times piece yet, but we surely will.
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WSAY
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10:24 AM on 11/16/2011
Facts that are not propaganda from the NRA.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00046149.htm
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rikilii
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11:16 AM on 11/16/2011
That's a very interesting selection of countries.  I wonder why they didn't include any Eastern European counties.  I also wonder why there is such a huge difference in firearm related deaths between countries like Spain and Belgium.
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11:43 AM on 11/16/2011
For those able to accept America's homicide rate (which is, after all, a mere 300% greater than that of the runner-up) and, having done so, move on to the more pertinent aspects of that article, those are, indeed, questions well worth pondering.
10:23 AM on 11/16/2011
Just one example of how a gun has helped in a bad situation. My father offered someone who said he was stranded a ride. During the trip the guy pulls out a can of mace and asks my father if he knows what it is and says he should take him where he wants to go.
My father had a bb gun pistol that looked like a 45 he raised it up and asked him if he knew what it was. The guy said yes he knew what it was and decided it was time to exit the car.
If guns were banned then that bb gun would not have been mistaken for the real thing and it could have ended badly.
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10:40 AM on 11/16/2011
A friend of mine once hooked a bass that was at least 30 pounds. He fought the darned thing for an hour and a half, and just when he was about to haul it into the boat, it broke the line and swam away, never to be seen again. My friend's biggest regret is that there was nobody else there to take a photo of that magnificent creature.
11:01 AM on 11/17/2011
Well if he would have had a gun he could have shot it when it was close. But the unbelievable part of your story is that a good fisherment always has a net for the big ones and it would have been used on a 30 lb bass for sure.
Unless your friend was the same intelligence as you then I would assume your story is true and it got away.
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regulargal
Protect children, not guns.
11:03 AM on 11/16/2011
Better to call a cop to aid a stranded person.
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11:10 AM on 11/16/2011
Yeah, but, how do you manufacture a heroic yarn out of calling a cop?
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schotts
This We'll Defend
11:56 AM on 11/16/2011
Why? Aren't we supposed to be a Country that helps our out fellow citizens? I have stopped a number of times to help people. Why should I stop? I'm there, I'm capable (maybe - not too mechanically inclined). But just in case it's a trap, I am prepared.

Shame that some bad people, like in the example above, have led many people to not want to help out of fear.