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Herman Cain Backs Collective Bargaining For Public Employees [UPDATED]

Cain Collective Bargaining

First Posted: 11/14/11 05:07 PM ET Updated: 11/15/11 06:02 PM ET

In a move that will undoubtedly puzzle if not enrage conservative voters, Herman Cain said in an interview with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Monday that he supported the rights of public workers to collectively bargain. He also said he believed that Ohio Gov. John Kasich went too far when he tried to strip those rights with Senate Bill 5.

On the issue of collective bargaining, Cain said he supported the right of public employees to bargain collectively.

"But not collective hijacking. What I mean by that, if they have gotten so much for so many years and it's going to bankrupt the state, I don't think that's good. It appears that in some instances, they really don't care."

Asked about last week's vote in Ohio, in which the state's new collective bargaining law was rejected by voters, Cain said that "maybe they tried to get too much and as a result it failed."

Cain also said in the interview that he would support collective bargaining for federal employees. In fact, he seemed to believe they currently enjoy those rights, the Journal Sentinel reported. "Asked if he thought federal employees should have the ability to bargain collectively, Cain said: 'They already have it, don't they?'"

Cain's answer means he is more progressive on the issue than Mitt Romney, who notably endorsed Kasich's SB 5, then declined to comment on a campaign to repeal it before finally coming out against that campaign. And while it may make some political sense for Cain to make this case in the course of a general election campaign -- Kasich's polling numbers have plummeted -- it will do him no favors in the primary.

Also notable is the fact that Cain gave his response to a Milwaukee-based newspaper, as Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, like Kasich, is staunchly anti-union and has advanced legislation that curbs collective bargaining rights.

The timing of the discussion with the Journal Sentinel's editorial board struck some as odd, given that Wisconsin does not play an active role in the early part of the primary season. Ellen Carmichael, Cain's former spokeswoman, tweeted: "Question not meant to disparage Herman or the great state of Wisconsin: why would someone meet with the Journal Sentinel ed board right now?"

UPDATE: 6:15 p.m. -- AFSCME, the union that represents public workers, quickly praised Cain's stance Monday afternoon. Marty Beil, executive director of AFSCME Council 24 in Wisconsin, sent the following statement to The Huffington Post:

Voters from across party lines and the country support collective bargaining. Even Herman Cain can read a poll. We hope that he took advantage of his time in the state to call Governor Walker to urge him to repeal the anti-worker legislation he rammed through this year.

Amanda Terkel contributed reporting.

UPDATE:

On Tuesday, the Cain campaign said the presidential candidate supported Walker's anti-union measure.

"[Cain] has always supported Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's legislation to balance his state budget and give his state's government the tools it needs during the ongoing economic crisis," the campaign said in a statement, according to The Hill.

WATCH CAIN'S INTERVIEW HERE:

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jsarets 08:48 PM on 11/14/2011
It's not fair! How could Cain have possibly inferred from context that collective bargaining has anything to do with labor unions? I'm sure that if Cain had understood that this question was about unions, then he would have been against it.

The gotcha media has to be accommodating to the fact that Herman Cain doesn't know anything about politics that isn't routinely covered on Fox News. He's a big  Read More...
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Ronnie Avatar Dixon
Legislation is the art of compromise.
10:44 PM on 11/19/2011
How can someone be for the right for public-sector employees to unionize and yet still support the measures performed against the right to collectively bargain by Governor Scott Walker? Is Herman Cain trying to appeal to the more moderate conservatives early, or he is just plain ignorant?
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Amin Khad
05:04 PM on 11/16/2011
I don't know how any sensible person could support collective bargaining.
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sarahfigueroa207
Of all the animals, man is the only one that lies.
11:13 AM on 11/15/2011
I wonder, was he saying the same thing a few months ago, before the union busting legislation was defeated in Ohio???
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Christopher Beech
God,Family and Country
08:47 AM on 11/15/2011
Sooner or later Cain will say 1) I did not understand the question 2) Come on, be fair you know what I said was not what I wanted to say 3) No, no I never said that ( what was it that I said again?) 4) there you goys go comparing apples to oranges 5 It was a joke( yall don't know how to take a joke ) 6) It is all Obama's fault 7) I did have enough facts on the subject to decide one way or another ( I'll wait untill the issue is important then my advisors will tell me what I think) 8) use all 7 excuses It has not failed Cain so far.
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rbenjamin
Rule 5 rules
08:22 AM on 11/15/2011
Thank you! Next..... Wait a minute, didn't we already cut you Mr. Gingrich? Are there any NEW applicants that aren't Mitt Romney?
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Jon Whittaker
Knock y'self a pro, slick
08:03 AM on 11/16/2011
Jon Huntsman. I don't agree with him on most things, but he's refreshingly sane compared to these other clowns
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hawkeye58
Open to the truth...
02:12 PM on 11/16/2011
...and therefore has no chance whatsoever of getting the nomination.
tenglish61
from the planet zirgon
08:16 AM on 11/15/2011
don't worry you teabaggers,,, he'll flip flop in a couple of hours.
Beachside1
Are you the police?No, ma'am. We're musicians
08:04 AM on 11/15/2011
You just know that Herman is going to say that this was a gotcha question form the main stream media and thats not what he meant lol.. Why do I think Palin when I see him answer a question that he knows nothing about. lol
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hawkeye58
Open to the truth...
02:13 PM on 11/16/2011
...and Palin thinks his name is Herb.
08:01 AM on 11/15/2011
Down goes Herman, up comes Newt... Who's next?
HarkaDahl
rude impatient judgemental and filled with love
06:43 AM on 11/15/2011
"Look guys i only had 2 hours sleep and no pancakes....anyone could make mistakes, right? guys? hello...?"
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ThankGodhesgone
Always Progressive
04:45 AM on 11/15/2011
Cain - 'I'm all for collective bargaining, but unions shouldn't exist, though'.
07:35 AM on 11/15/2011
LOL !
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shirley thomas
justice for all, not the few
10:26 AM on 11/15/2011
f&f lol, he's being tut
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03:56 AM on 11/15/2011
Be fair, Cain didn't know what he was saying. Which is undoubtedly the stance he'll take tomorrow after whoever is pulling his strings gets ahold of him. Sadly, his followers won't notice.
07:35 AM on 11/15/2011
Yeah like Perry didn't know what he was thinking of or trying to !
05:35 PM on 11/15/2011
Worse, his followers will admire him for it.
03:45 AM on 11/15/2011
Oh, big freakin' deal. So he can read a vote that's already been held. Somebody go dig up what he was saying about collective bargaining six months ago, or at some point in his CEO career.
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Seymourhiney
03:31 AM on 11/15/2011
Herman is an idiot, just like the base of the GOP.
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tehixe
Anything can change the nature of a man.
03:20 AM on 11/15/2011
Everything this guy does is surprising! His very existence is surprising! He should just change his name to "!" It will be pronounced "The politician formerly known as Herman Cain."
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Lawyer13
retired Lawyer, General and Psychiatric Nurse, wit
03:17 AM on 11/15/2011
A view from across the pond by an Englishman : Your employment laws are light years behind those that we have in the UK, everybody both public and in private employment should be treated equally in the labour market, only the police and military are not allowed to take Industrial Action in the UK.
Herman Cain is trying to gain support from where ever and whom ever he can, do not be fooled by these GOP hopefuls
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Hontas Farmer
Stargazer
05:45 AM on 11/15/2011
A view from our side of the pond. Overthrow your anachronistic monarchy then talk to us. Before it's too late and you somehow end up with Harry as king.
HarkaDahl
rude impatient judgemental and filled with love
06:36 AM on 11/15/2011
You failed to respond to the point and delivered a non-sequitor instead.
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ShinjiIkari
Do you understand how stupid it is to be afraid?
09:31 AM on 11/15/2011
I guess your parents never taught you to be polite when company comes calling. This is why the rest of the world dislikes us--because we act like we think we know everything, and why they like President Obama, whose momma raised him right.
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Lawyer13
retired Lawyer, General and Psychiatric Nurse, wit
07:33 AM on 11/15/2011
I have just heard Herman Cain interview about the Presidents Policy on Libya with a local paper, he was totally unable to give a coherent answer, and may I suggest totally unsuitable to be the next President of your great Country.
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shirley thomas
justice for all, not the few
10:37 AM on 11/15/2011
how can he give a coherent answer on anything, when he is up all night being sweated by his wife re all of these alleged sexual harassment allegations. lack of sleep sure can make one's mind fuzzy