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Obama Health Care Law Reaches Supreme Court, With Over Five Hours Of Oral Argument Planned

First Posted: 11/14/11 10:16 AM ET Updated: 11/15/11 11:15 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- In an order released on Monday morning, the Supreme Court announced that it will hear more than five hours of oral argument in the challenges to the Affordable Care Act brought by 26 states and several private parties.

The order indicates the gravity with which the justices view the health care cases, as the Court rarely allots more than an hour to for argument in each case it hears.

Within those five-plus hours, the justices divided the time into four separate arguments to address the various questions raised in petitions from the Department of Justice, the 26 states and the National Federation of Independent Business.

The longest argument, set for two hours, will consider whether Congress had the power under Article 1 of the Constitution to enact the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Article 1 outlines the types of laws Congress may pass, such as those that regulate interstate commerce. The Justice Department has argued in the lower courts and in its petition to the Supreme Court that the health care law's "individual mandate," which requires virtually all Americans to purchase health insurance or pay a penalty on their tax returns, falls within Congress' power under the commerce clause of Article 1.

The cases granted Monday come up from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit, which struck down the individual mandate by a 2-1 vote, holding that the provision exceeds the scope of the commerce clause.

Majorities on the 6th Circuit and the D.C. Circuit have disagreed, siding with the Obama administration that the law falls within the clause's broad boundaries as articulated by the Supreme Court over the past seven decades.

The justices will also hear 90 minutes of oral argument on whether the entire health care law must fall should they find that the individual mandate is unconstitutional. The 11th Circuit found the mandate could be severed from the rest of the law and therefore refused to throw out the whole law. That ruling reversed Judge Roger Vinson's decision at the district court level that the mandate was not severable. The National Federation of Independent Business urged the Court to reinstate Vinson's decision, which remains the only one in the country to strike down the health care law in its entirety.

The justices will hear an hour of oral argument on whether they should avoid ruling on the merits at all because the individual mandate does not go into effect until 2014. Specifically, the justices will be asked to determine if the penalty that must be paid under the mandate constitutes a tax, which would trigger a federal statute called the Anti-Injunction Act. That law requires individuals to have actually paid the taxes required by a law before they can challenge the law's constitutional merits in court. A 2-1 majority on the 4th Circuit, composed of Democrat-appointed judges, tossed a suit against the health care law on these grounds several months ago.

The Justice Department urged the Court to rule on the merits and downplayed the 4th Circuit's decision in its brief. But last week, Judge Brett Kavanaugh, a prominent and influential conservative judge, dissented for that very reason from the D.C. Circuit's decision to uphold the mandate. Kavanaugh wrote that the penalty constituted a tax, which would bar the courts from considering the law's constitutionality until after the first penalties have been paid in 2015. That the justices asked for a full hour of argument on this issue after all parties petitioning the Court urged a ruling on the merits may signal that the Court is open to avoiding a politically charged constitutional decision during the heart of the 2012 campaign season.

The Court will hear one final hour on the constitutionality of Congress' pinning federal funding to the states on their participation in the law's health care reforms. No court has yet accepted the argument, put forward by the 26 states in this suit, that the health care law coerces and commandeers the states to act in violation of basic federalism principles.

Oral arguments will likely be scheduled for the third or fourth week of March, with a decision coming down at the end of June before the Court recesses for the summer.

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  • Round 1: The District Courts Divide

    U.S. District Judge George Caram Steeh, a Clinton appointee sitting in the Eastern District of Michigan, released the first major Affordable Care Act decision in October 2010. In <a href="http://www.mied.uscourts.gov/news/docs/09714485866.pdf" target="_hplink"><em>Thomas More Law Center v. Obama</em></a>, Steeh sided with the government to hold the law constitutional. "The decision whether to purchase insurance or to attempt to pay for health care out of pocket is plainly economic," Steeh wrote. "These decisions, viewed in the aggregate, have clear and direct impacts on health care providers, taxpayers and the insured population, who ultimately pay for the care provided to those without insurance."

  • Round 1: The District Courts Divide

    At the end of November 2010, another Clinton appointee, Judge Norman Moon of the Western District of Virginia, agreed with Judge Steeh. In <a href="http://www.vawd.uscourts.gov/OPINIONS/MOON/LIBERTYUNIVERSITYVGEITHNER.PDF" target="_hplink"><em>Liberty University v. Geithner</em></a>, Moon wrote that "by choosing to forgo insurance, plaintiffs are making an economic decision to try to pay for health care services later, out of pocket, rather than now, through the purchase of insurance."

  • Round 1: The District Courts Divide

    In December 2010, however, Judge Henry Hudson, a George W. Bush appointee sitting in the Eastern District of Virginia, ruled otherwise. In <a href="http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/docs/Hudson_ruling.pdf?hpid=topnews" target="_hplink"><em>Virginia v. Sebelius</em></a>, Hudson struck down the individual mandate, writing that "an individual's personal decision to purchase -- or decline to purchase -- health insurance from a private provider is beyond the historical reach of the commerce clause." Importantly, Hudson also held that the individual mandate is severable from the rest of the Affordable Care Act, which means a court can strike it down while allowing the law's remaining provisions to stand.

  • Round 1: The District Courts Divide

    Finally in January 2011, Judge Roger Vinson, a Reagan appointee in the Northern District of Florida, evened the score but upped the ante. In <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/47905937/Health-Care-Ruling-by-Judge-Vinson" target="_hplink"><em>Florida v. Department of Health and Human Services</em></a>, not only did he strike down the individual mandate as exceeding Congress' power under the commerce clause, but he also took the whole health care law down with it. "The act," Vinson wrote, "like a defectively designed watch, needs to be redesigned and reconstructed by the watchmaker."

  • Round 2: The Appeals Courts Split

    In June 2011, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit <a href="http://www.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/11a0168p-06.pdf" target="_hplink">upheld, by a 2-1 vote</a>, Judge Steeh's decision in <em>Thomas More Law Center</em>. Circuit Judge Jeffrey Sutton, a George W. Bush appointee, was the first judge chosen by a Republican president to reject the commerce clause challenge, writing that "no one must 'pile inference upon inference' to recognize that the national regulation of a $2.5 trillion industry, much of it financed through" national health insurance companies, "is economic in nature." He joined Judge Boyce Martin, a Jimmy Carter appointee, in the majority, while Judge James L. Graham, a Reagan appointee, wrote a vigorous dissent. In August, the 11th Circuit, reviewing <em>Florida v. HHS</em>, <a href="http://www.uscourts.gov/uscourts/courts/ca11/201111021.pdf" target="_hplink">produced a near mirror-image result</a>. Judge Frank Hull, a Clinton appointee, joined the Reagan-appointed Judge Joel Dubina to affirm District Judge Vinson's decision to strike down the individual mandate. Judge Stanley Marcus, a Clinton appointee, dissented, quoting heavily from Sutton's 6th Circuit concurring opinion. All three 11th Circuit judges found the mandate severable from the rest of the Affordable Care Act, reversing District Judge Hudson's decision to deep-six the entire law. Both appeals courts unanimously rejected the government's taxing power argument, insisting that if Congress had thought the penalty for not buying insurance was a tax, it would have explicitly called it a tax. On this issue, a third appeals court created another circuit split.

  • Round 2: The Appeals Courts Split

    In September 2011, the 4th Circuit dismissed two challenges to the health care law, finding that the plaintiffs did not have standing to bring their lawsuits. The panel did find that <a href="http://pacer.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinion.pdf/102347.P.pdf" target="_hplink">the penalty for not buying insurance was a tax</a> -- a good sign for the government's defense of the law. But rather than hold that the individual mandate was a valid exercise of Congress' taxing power, Judges Diana Gribbon Motz, a Clinton appointee, and James Wynn, an Obama appointee, said that another federal law, the Anti-Injunction Act, prevented the plaintiffs from challenging the mandate until they actually had to pay the tax -- which cannot happen before the provision goes into effect in 2014. The third judge, Obama appointee Andre Davis, said he wouldn't have dismissed the lawsuits and would have upheld the individual mandate based primarily on commerce clause ground. Regardless of the methodology, the Obama administration was now winning 2-1 in the courts of appeals against the Affordable Care Act's challengers.

  • Final Round: The Supreme Court Takes The Case

    The Supreme Court is most likely to choose to hear a case for one of three reasons: The constitutionality of a federal law hangs in the balance, the circuit courts disagree on the same issue, or the solicitor general advises the Court to take the case. Cases that fulfill just one of these considerations stand a good chance of reaching the justices. The health care cases had all three. In November 2011, the justices <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/14/obama-health-care-law_n_1092387.html" target="_hplink">agreed to review</a> the 11th Circuit's decision. To signal how seriously it took the challenges, the Court soon thereafter scheduled six hours of oral argument to take place from March 26 to 28, 2012. Normally, even for blockbuster cases, the justices only allot one hour for oral argument.

  • Final Round: The Supreme Court Hears Oral Argument

    All eyes turned to the Supreme Court in late March 2012 when the justices heard oral argument and gave their first public hints of where they stood on the Affordable Care Act's constitutionality. On the first day, March 26, liberal and conservative justices alike <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/26/health-care-law-supreme-court_n_1373455.html" target="_hplink">showed little interest</a> in following the 4th Circuit's decision to throw out the challenge to the health care law on a technicality before ever reaching the constitutional merits of the individual mandate. That display of unity disappeared on Tuesday, March 27, as the Court took on the <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/27/supreme-court-health-care_n_1373469.html" target="_hplink">main event</a>: two hours of argument over the mandate. The Court's four Democratic appointees all appeared to find the mandate well within Congress' powers to regulate interstate commerce, as the 6th Circuit had held; the Court's five Republican appointees, in concert with the 11th Circuit, seemed to think otherwise. Only in the final moments did swing vote Justice Anthony Kennedy soften his tone by musing aloud whether the health insurance market is different enough, after all, to allow a mandate to prevent cost-shifting where it might not be permissible in another market. "[M]ost questions in life are matters of degree," he said. On Wednesday, March 28, the justices <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/28/health-care-case-supreme-court-john-roberts_n_1386692.html" target="_hplink">considered</a> what other parts of the Affordable Care Act would fall if they found the mandate unconstitutional. No majority emerged. Several justices agreed with the challengers that the whole law must fall. Several others agreed with the Obama administration that two key (and popular) provisions could not survive without the mandate. Still others indicated some sympathy for severing the mandate alone and allowing the rest of the law to stand. A decision is expected by the end of June.


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08:45 PM on 12/14/2011
Without health care options, the 26 year olds will still face the same decision options: a choice of individual plans that are all over the map with respect versus the full coverage as when they had coverage uinder the parents' plan. Check the individual options available for individual health coverages and the shortfalls they contain. Someone assumed that kids reaching age 22 (FED) and age 24 (Private Industry) walk into jobs and benefits with employers. This is not the case. I do not know of too many Republicans that addressed this issue. OBAMA DID. The change will help our brain trust stay protected until age 26.What happens thereafter,will likely become another political and insurance industry debate. The fact is that these individuals will need better individual health care options after age 26.
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Amalasan
Be a Progressive, renouce the Regressives
03:50 PM on 12/02/2011
Here is what basically the health care law does, which actually isn't much:
Reduce the deficit by 143 billion in the 1st ten years, 1.2 trillion over 20 years.
Increase amount of jobs in the medical field, more doctors, nurses, radiologists, etc.
Insurance companies can no longer say children have preexisting conditions (now)
Deny coverage to anyone based on 'preexisitng conditions' (2014)
Children can stay on parents plan until age 26.
Fixes the donut hole in medicare prescription coverage (less than 2700 cost =25% out of pocket, more (but less than 6154) is 100% out of pocket while more than 6154 is 5% out of pocket)
2011 seniors get a 50% discount for brand name drugs, and since bush made it so that brand name patents never expire certain prescriptions are up to 4 to 10x more than the generic could have been.
Several small changes to medicare one of them makes it so illegals *cannot* enroll.
As well illegals cannot buy into the program even if they use their own money.
In 2014 public mandate goes into effect putting in a fine of 695 for uninsured (waived if you make less than 400% of poverty level or less or about 30k/yr)
Assistance to gain insurance if within 400% of poverty level. (30k/yr)

That is pretty much all it does
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01:49 PM on 12/12/2011
Fanned. Yeah, Amalasan, pretty awful, eh?
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jsgaetano
Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus
08:28 PM on 11/17/2011
Will Thomas be recusing himself, since his household receives million$ a year to lobby against health care reform? Or will he "stay the course" on his over 20 years of lying to the Federal Government?
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Giglawyer
Lions are unconcerned with the opinions of sheep.
01:43 PM on 11/18/2011
Will Kagan recuse herself for her previous involvement with and support of the HCA?
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jsgaetano
Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus
02:32 PM on 11/18/2011
Why should she? Are you seriously trying to claim that doing legal work is the exact same thing as accepting bribes and lying to the government about it?
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luvobama
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12:22 PM on 11/16/2011
Everyone I know with adult children under 26 years of age, are thrilled with HCR. Including my husband and I. Further, without it, I would have been dropped from our plan, given that my treatments for stage four breast cancer, would cost way too much for them to keep me. I adore the reform. We pay over 1,500 dollars a month for our premiums, and we have for over 20 years. This past year, (diagnosis) is the first time I personally have used the system, if you will. We have had a very healthy family up until now. You Swamp People need to start caring about the health of your fellow man. I don't appreciate the waste of medical dollars on people, especially those older folks who use their MDs for a social life, but if someone is or gets sick, they shouldn't have to think twice before seeing a doctor. This is America. We are so much better than all this selfishness. Who's peanut butter and jealous of someone who isn't well?
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Giglawyer
Lions are unconcerned with the opinions of sheep.
01:45 PM on 11/18/2011
You need to get out more. I know LOTS of people on both sides of the aisle that hate this bill.

We need Healthc care reform - I agree.. But htis bill ain't it. Its a mess, and it is singularly designed to bring down the curent system to allow an eventual replacement with single payer. It will cost us all more more than you can imagine.

The government should have just had the guts to pass single payer.
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rudyg43
2014 Mid-term is a coming!
10:35 PM on 11/15/2011
If Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas dines with the law firm Clement’s law firm, Bancroft PLLC, one of almost two dozen firms that helped sponsor the annual dinner of the Federalist Society, a longstanding group dedicated to advocating conservative legal principles and were fed at the same table by Pfizer, Inc., a huge pharmaceutical conglomerate, one would hope they abide by rules and ethics associated with their stature in the legal community. If these two do not recuse themselves from this case, then none should recuse themselves. Now, I ask every American citizen in America to consider the implications of any ruling unfavorable to the Health Care Act. Here's where I say again: The concentration of wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people and the concentration of power in stricter, less compassionate hands in all aspects of local, state and the federal government has colored the American dream.
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jsgaetano
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08:30 PM on 11/17/2011
It's not called the Conservative Culture of Corruption for nothing. They won't recuse themselves. They owe corruption and shilling for everything they have.
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Giglawyer
Lions are unconcerned with the opinions of sheep.
01:48 PM on 11/18/2011
"The concentrat­ion of wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people and the concentrat­ion of power in stricter, less compassion­ate hands in all aspects of local, state and the federal government has colored the American dream."

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On this, we can agree.

Otherwise, I disagree that there is any call for these justices to recuse themselves. If we start with this guilt by association, justices would have to be recluses. Justice Kagan has actually spoken out on the record about her support of the HCRA before she was a justice. If anything, she should be the one to recuse herself.
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brt929
03:34 PM on 11/18/2011
Justice Kagan has actually spoken out on the record about her support of the HCRA before she was a justice. If anything, she should be the one to recuse herself.”

Really?  You mean the fact that she supported this legislation is a bigger conflict of interest then say someone whose bank account has been substantially increased by the people that are challenging the law?  Let's see, how much money was Ginny Thomas paid by Harlan Crow to run Liberty Center, a group committed to destroying health care reform?

BTW, do you think Kagan has accepted money from lobbyists or a think tank which she failed to disclose to the IRS?

Forget recuse, Thomas ought to be impeached.   
baej
They call us "right" for a reason
08:17 PM on 11/15/2011
I swear on all I hold dear, this is a true story:
While Christmas shopping and having lunch with my husband today we went into a gift shop. They had an obama doll about 3 feet tall with lavendar lips for a pretty steep price. If you punch it in the face it farts really loud. I just stood there gawking and then burst out laughing. I haven't been able to stop all day. My sides hurt. The store owner said they got 200 on Monday. They had 3 left. Someone is going to be a millionaire. I LOVE capitalism. If this isn't payback for obamacare and bailouts than I don't know what is. Woo Hoo!
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arianaart
There is no sensible way to do a senseless thing.
10:20 PM on 11/15/2011
HAHA!
Where is the store~~I want one!
baej
They call us "right" for a reason
08:01 AM on 11/16/2011
lol. The Lighter Side of Life. $89.95. But I bet you're going to see them EVERYWHERE!
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luvobama
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12:14 PM on 11/16/2011
Let me guess.  You live in  Swamp state.  One that probably thinks the civil warrrr has yet to be decided?
baej
They call us "right" for a reason
10:38 PM on 11/17/2011
Actually they are being manufactured in New York City, little libby. Just about as blue a state as you can get for those cute obama toys.
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ruleoflaw66
And I'd opt out of 'fans' too if I could.
07:56 PM on 11/15/2011
I am genuinely confused by this discussion and am asking for a little help.

Does the ACA tell folks they must buy insurance?

Some people here say yes, others no. And quite frankly NOT ONE has cited data or published records of the Act to back up either statement.

I want to know which it is and not just more opinion!

Somebody give us the definitive answer.

Second, somebody said you can be fined if you don't have health insurance under this bill.

Is THAT true? Once again, lots of opinion, no facts. Somebody must have some.

And lastly, if this bill tells folks they have to buy something--milk, doughnuts, insurance, whatever--is that legal--AND HOW is it legal or illegal? Again don't post opinion.

This is an absolutely genuine request. All this arguing in the dark is giving me a headache.
05:26 AM on 11/16/2011
ACA requires that everyone with income over poverty level demonstrate to the IRS that they have insurance. This is from sec. 1501 of H.R.3590.ENR

"(a) Requirement To Maintain Minimum Essential Coverage- An applicable individual shall for each month beginning after 2013 ensure that the individual, and any dependent of the individual who is an applicable individual, is covered under minimum essential coverage for such month."

if you don't have insurance and your income is over the poverty level you will be fined.

" (1) IN GENERAL- If an applicable individual fails to meet the requirement of subsection (a) for 1 or more months during any calendar year beginning after 2013, then, except as provided in subsection (d), there is hereby imposed a penalty with respect to the individual in the amount determined under subsection (c)."

" (3) APPLICABLE DOLLAR AMOUNT- For purposes of paragraph (1)--
`(A) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in subparagraphs (B) and (C), the applicable dollar amount is $750.
`(B) PHASE IN- The applicable dollar amount is $95 for 2014 and $350 for 2015."

It's legal under the commerce clause.

" (1) IN GENERAL- The individual responsibility requirement provided for in this section (in this subsection referred to as the `requirement') is commercial and economic in nature, and substantially affects interstate commerce, as a result of the effects described in paragraph (2)."

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:7:./temp/~c111O0U4io:e406299:
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Giglawyer
Lions are unconcerned with the opinions of sheep.
01:53 PM on 11/18/2011
Wait one minute. The Supreme Court of the United States will determine whether or not the ACA is "legal under the commerce clause." You can't just declare that the requirement substantially affects interstate commerce, and thus declare constitutionality. It doesn't work that way.
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AkaFidelis
Liberated from tyranny
02:13 PM on 11/15/2011
America is the only developed, Western country with an employer-based, for-profit insurance system that leaves 50 million (and counting) out in the cold. If this free-market model is so wonderful, as you Republicans claim, why aren't all the countries with socialized medicine clamoring to change to our model?? And don't think that just because America has the best medical science we must also have the best care--we do not. America has poor access to the best care, and those of us who are insured pay heavily to cover those who are uninsured and under-insured and cannot pay their medical bills. And, those who are on the outside of care access develop chronic illnesses that become very, very expensive later in life--and guess who pays? Everyone who can be billed via increases in premiums and cutbacks in benefits, that's who. I work in hospital care and I know these facts first hand. In America, for-profit insurance corporations control health care, not the individual. If you are a member of an HMO and still have reasonably low premium payments taken from your paycheck, consider yourself fortunate--unless you are also on the hook for thousands in annual deductibles and an additional 20% of hospital costs on top of your premiums and deductibles--then you are underinsured and overcharged and are at risk for medical bankruptcy. Better take a look at your policy--it's time for benefits enrollment!!
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11:50 AM on 11/15/2011
Never has the country been so divided. When is the last time you saw 26 States suing the Federal Government? I really don't think we can heal and prosper until Obama is gone. Then you'll see money start flowing again and business stop being so untrusting. It's too much, too fast while neglecting the real problems at hand.
01:11 PM on 11/15/2011
Brilliant! Allow the corporations to dictate how we live.... and die. They own the politicians and you just want to roll over, get rid of President Obama or anyone else that is defending the middle class, and let them have their way.

I have an idea. Why don't you grow a pair and fight for what is right? Or are you just another republican hack?
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ruleoflaw66
And I'd opt out of 'fans' too if I could.
07:13 PM on 11/15/2011
I agree with you, the Corporations and the Banks are the enemy. BUT I'd like to see Obama grow some too and actually investigate and imprison some of those wall street 1%ers that drove us off a cliff rather than continuing his "looking forward, not back" policy of doing nothing.
02:42 AM on 11/16/2011
Obama defending the middle class? HAHAHAHA Obama has done NOTHING for the middle class. His only mission is to provide for the poor and the illegals. Was he looking out for the middle class when he hid the home sales tax in Obamacare? What happened to 95% of the people not seeing their taxes go up? Same circus, different clown.
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Terry DR
Republicans are destroying America!
01:46 PM on 11/15/2011
Seems I remember "If you are not with us, you are with the te rr o ri sts." Being called an ti american, and c o w a r ds and t r a i tors. How short your memory is.
03:09 AM on 11/16/2011
Seems I remember GWB with a 90% approval rating after 9/11. I also remember the STANDING OVATION he received from Republicans and Democrats alike after his "terrorist" speech. How's that memory working out for you? Funny, I remember very clearly EVERYONE wanting payback after 9/11 happened. It's easy to sit back and judge now. Perhaps if Clinton had done something about the bombing of the US Embassy in Tanzania, the bombing of the US Embassy in Kenya, the bombing of the Khobar Towers, the first bombing of the WTC and the bombing of the USS Cole....we may not have HAD a 9/11 and subsequently no "terrorist" speech. It's also comical that liberals hold Bush responsible for 9/11 which happened a mere 7 months into his first term yet Obama has been in office for 3 years and they hold him accountable for nothing. Just one of the many reasons he'll be voted out next year.
04:33 PM on 11/16/2011
Yeah right. Kind of like how Clinton blew getting Bin Laden. Can you imagine if we actually had a President with stones instead of Clinton? Bin Laden would have been snatched and history would have been changed forever. Unfortunately we didn't and we had to deal with Clinton.
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celtcalgal
alba gubrath
11:35 AM on 11/15/2011
my Mother coming from a Universal Healthcare country was surprised when my husband bought her health insurance to cover her stay at the airport ( Chicago's O'Hare ) she said ' You mean You have to Pay to be sick in America ' .
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Texan POd
12:23 PM on 11/15/2011
AMAZING, the rest of the world provides FREE healthcare to anyone traveling to their country. I found the insurance provided by purchasing my ticket through American Express was sufficient when traveling around the world.

And YES, every time I needed to visit a doctor for non-emergency care I was BILLED for it.
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celtcalgal
alba gubrath
12:31 PM on 11/15/2011
You must have requested to be billed.
12:37 PM on 11/15/2011
Great so when the new taxation for this program kicks in come 2013 just remeber what you asked for and you are going to get it! Not care but taxation like most American have not know!
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celtcalgal
alba gubrath
12:41 PM on 11/15/2011
well then, I guess that means less money for illegal and/or immoral wars ?
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11:29 AM on 11/15/2011
The real hidden threat is a negative ruling on National Health Care Reform based on "States Rights," would jeopardize all Federal healthcare programs including Medicare.

Losing Medicare would be a very bad thing.
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brt929
12:07 PM on 11/15/2011
Scalia and Roberts are going to have to twist themselves into a pretzel to find a way to make a cogent argument to strike down this legislation.

I just don't see how they can do it.
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Giglawyer
Lions are unconcerned with the opinions of sheep.
01:59 PM on 11/18/2011
Ummm...no. The cogent arguments are there, plain and simple. Read the briefs in the appellate cases. You can disagree on legal gounds, but cogency will not be a problem.
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Terry DR
Republicans are destroying America!
01:50 PM on 11/15/2011
But some of the republicans on here say " They would never get rid of medicare and ss because they would never get elected again."
luvdatbobcat
4 more years of no jobs, no change, and no hope.
02:07 PM on 11/15/2011
What makes you think that I am a Republican?
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06:51 PM on 11/15/2011
Terry - the GOTP wants to "privatize" Medicare and Social Security and then whittle them away bit by bit, not outright eliminate them.

All part of the plan.
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Jim Valko
11:13 AM on 11/15/2011
Initially, the economy appeared on track for a steady recovery. The economy went from losing 841,000 jobs in January 2009–the recession’s low point–to gaining 229,000 jobs in April 2010…

Within two months of Obamacare’s passing, the recovery stalled… In May 2010, the job situation stopped improving. Job creation dropped to just 48,000 net private sector jobs, and private-sector hiring took a new course. From May 2010 onward, private job growth improved by only 6,500 jobs per month–less than one-tenth the previous rate.
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brt929
12:40 PM on 11/15/2011
Right wing spin.  There is no link between job creation and the health care legislation.  Both small and large businesses have stated that the biggest influence on job creation is the economic climate: whether or not there is a market for their product.

Your claims are completely specious.  The businesses that want to expand, are unable to do so because there is no capital in the marketplace.  

You can't even prove the so-called data you posted, let alone a nexus between health care legislation and the recovery.

Pure propaganda.
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boogie albert 56
But I wa promised a Water Buffalo
01:44 PM on 11/15/2011
Lost in la - la land you are.
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Terry DR
Republicans are destroying America!
01:51 PM on 11/15/2011
Fox propaganda.
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10:53 AM on 11/15/2011
I see that all the little Liberals are still using the strawman argument about the car insurance to attempt to prop up their side of the Obamacare issue. Tsk, tsk~
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07:27 PM on 11/15/2011
Your talking point is a strawman.

Tsk, tsk ~
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