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Super Committee Remains Deadlocked Despite Prodding From Obama

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DAVID ESPO   11/14/11 09:29 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — Sidestepping controversy, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., declined to take sides Monday on a proposal for higher tax revenues backed by fellow Republicans on Congress' supercommittee, yet expressed confidence the panel would agree on a deficit-reduction plan of at least $1.2 trillion by a Nov. 23 deadline.

A proposal for $300 billion in higher taxes has stirred grumbling within the ranks of congressional Republicans, for whom opposition to such measures has been political bedrock for more than two decades.

Two of the party's presidential hopefuls said Monday they wouldn't support any committee deficit-reduction plan that includes higher taxes.

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, campaigning in Iowa, said he would "do everything in my power to defeat" any such proposal.

A spokesman for Rick Perry said the Texas governor "wants to look at details but if those details include a tax increase he's not going to be for it. He does not favor higher taxes," added David Miner.

Additionally, officials said that Sen. Pat Toomey, R-Pa., who outlined the plan last week in a closed-door meeting of four Republicans and three Democrats, has encountered criticism from fellow conservatives despite strong credentials as an opponent of higher taxes. "There's been a little bit, but it's been pretty muted," his spokeswoman, Nachama Soloveichik, said of the response.

Cantor's spokeswoman turned aside several emailed requests for the majority leader's views on the proposal. She said he hadn't seen the plan, and she referred to his comments at a news conference earlier in the day when he told reporters, "I'm not going to be opining as to any reports, hypotheticals or anything connected with their work."

Despite that pledge, Cantor was bullish in predicting agreement before the deadline and adding that a fallback requirement to cut $1.2 trillion from domestic and defense programs wouldn't be triggered.

The committee has been at work for two months, hoping to succeed at a task that has defied the best efforts of high-ranking political leaders past and present.

Despite intense talks late last week, there has been little indication of progress as age-old political divisions have re-emerged.

The principal stumbling blocks revolve around taxes on the one hand, and the large federal programs of Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security on the other.

Democrats are unwilling to agree to cuts in benefit programs unless Republicans will accept higher taxes, particularly on the highest-income individuals and families.

Republicans counter that out-of-control spending largely accounts for the government's enormous budget deficits, and they say raising taxes will only complicate efforts to help the economy recover from the worst recession in more than seven decades.

At the same time, each side is grappling with the possible political consequences of the committee's work, with an eye on the 2012 campaign for control of the White House and Congress.

Liberal Democrats are highly reluctant to agree to curbs on programs the party has long been identified with, and last week members on the supercommittee jettisoned an earlier proposal to slow the rise in cost-of-living benefits for Social Security recipients.

The same goes for conservatives, many of whom fear the possible political cost of changing their positions in order to pursue a less-than-certain bipartisan compromise on deficit reduction.

Many GOP office holders have signed a pledge circulated by Americans for Tax Reform not to vote for higher taxes. The organization is led by Grover Norquist, a conservative activist, although in comments to reporters Cantor suggested that influence by an outsider isn't the dominant concern.

"It's not about Grover Norquist. It's about commitments that people made to the electorate they represent, the people that sent them here. That's what it's about," he said.

Republicans on the committee hailed Toomey's proposal last week as a breakthrough and a concession that could open the way to a deal.

But Democrats were dismissive, saying it amounted to a tax cut in disguise for the wealthy – the very taxpayers that they and Obama say should pay more. According to numerous officials, Toomey's proposal envisioned an additional $250 billion in revenue emerging from a sweeping revision of the tax code that would bring the top rate down from 35 percent to 28 percent while reducing or eliminating many commonly used itemized deductions.

In an interview on Sunday, Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas, co-chairman of the supercommittee said that while Republicans believe that higher tax revenues will hurt the economy, "within the context of the bipartisan negotiation with Democrats, clearly they are a reality."

He said that whatever "damage would be done by $250 billion of new taxes we think would be offset by a system that would help create jobs. And as we're dealing with the debt crisis, we don't want to make the jobs crisis even worse. So that's what has been put on the table."

Jordan, R-Ohio, posted his dissent hours later in USA Today, although he refrained from criticizing any Republican directly.

"Balance doesn't mean `half-right, half-wrong,' he wrote, referring to Obama's calls for a deficit-cutting plan that includes higher taxes and spending cuts. "It means you don't fall over." Jordan is chairman of the Republican Study Committee, an organization of conservative GOP members of the House.

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Associated Press writer Andrew Taylor in Washington and Thomas Beaumont in Iowa contributed to this story.

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William Jamison
My micro-bio is empty
08:59 PM on 11/14/2011
I move we rename the republican party the GOD party, for Grand Old Doofuses.
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candcje
Progressive, Liberal Democrat and Proud of it!
08:47 PM on 11/14/2011
Anyone who believes that we can cut our way out of this mess without increasing revenues is living in a bubble. Anyone believing we can spend our way out of this mess without making some really painful cuts to some really beloved programs is also living in a bubble.

We need to begin by closing the loopholes and eliminating the deductions commonly used by the richest among us - so that they finally pay the 35% they're supposed to. We also need to tighten the belt on the major money programs. Don't start with cutting direct benefits to citizens. Start with eliminating truly wasteful spending like retiling floors in buildings that are less than 30 years old... Cut the waste and fraud and see how much we save off the top. Cut the loopholes and deductions and see how much we're able to increase revenues. Agree that that all happens (end of discussion), then start negotiating about other things like slower COL increases or actually raising taxes.

Compromise is where we find balance. Refusal to negotiate in good faith only hurts the nation and the people living in it. Get to work, Supercommittee. Get off your collective asses and get the job done already!
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chancho24
Any emotion, if it is sincere, is involuntary.
08:46 PM on 11/14/2011
A balanced approach is needed. To do otherwise, would only expose the GOP as not sincere in reducing the deficit.
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William Jamison
My micro-bio is empty
09:00 PM on 11/14/2011
Excuse me, they've already been revealed as not being sincere about reducing the deficit.
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chancho24
Any emotion, if it is sincere, is involuntary.
09:04 PM on 11/14/2011
True.
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wayne the pain
06:03 PM on 11/14/2011
I bet they come up with many cuts but no tax increases and old Casper milk toast Obama will approve it! If Obama were any weaker he couldn't walk!
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chancho24
Any emotion, if it is sincere, is involuntary.
08:46 PM on 11/14/2011
I'll take that bet.
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drbob601
Soylent Green is People
05:12 PM on 11/14/2011
""There's no magic formula. There are no magic beans that you can toss on the ground and suddenly a bunch of money grows on trees," Obama added. "We got to just go ahead and do the responsible thing."

Funny, when the financial industry's reckless and inept bets all went bad, our "leaders" managed to find quite a large number of "magic beans" for THEM.
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muffeegirl
women of America unite
03:40 PM on 11/14/2011
Many of the people commenting on this story need to read the story about Tom Colburn a Republican from OKlahoma who said that he found that the rich have become obscenely rich by taking billions from the Federal Government by various means and programs including unemployment and tax deductions on mansions, vacation homes and yachts.
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candcje
Progressive, Liberal Democrat and Proud of it!
08:50 PM on 11/14/2011
Exactly. I did read that article and was pleasantly surprised and even had to double-check that it was a Republican saying that out loud where people could hear him. I'm so proud of him. It gives me hope that there might be a few over there that have a brain and a basic concept of civics and economics.

OK, everybody in the GOTP... class is in session. Mr. Colburn will be your instructor....
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William Jamison
My micro-bio is empty
09:01 PM on 11/14/2011
His name is Coburn.
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rory talbot
Former Dem but they r now wing of Corp. party
03:32 PM on 11/14/2011
There is no magic formula. No matter who you got for...you end up with a corporatist president.
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wayne the pain
06:04 PM on 11/14/2011
Truer words were never written. I am just sick he has no viable opposition!
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Group 8807
No Masters, No Slaves
02:54 PM on 11/14/2011
Sorry Mr. President, but many Americans think the "responsible thing" to do is to cut spending and NOT raise taxes.
08:54 PM on 11/14/2011
True. Many Americans think that's the "responsible thing." But the overwhelming majority of Americans know the "right thing" is to close loopholes and restore tax rates to those of the 90's.
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candcje
Progressive, Liberal Democrat and Proud of it!
09:00 PM on 11/14/2011
Sorry, Group, but roughly 64% of Americans believe that the responsible thing is to raise taxes on the millionaires and billionaires of this nation (including a full 40% of republicans)....
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20114988-503544.html

68% of MILLIONAIRES support raising taxes on millionaires...
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/10/27/355074/millionaires-support-tax-increase/

They're even asking the supercommittee to please raise their taxes and support Obama vetoing any measure that doesn't raise their taxes
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/markets/millionaires-lobbying-congress-debt-supercommittee-this-week-to-raise-taxes-on-wealthy/2011/11/14/gIQA5lflLN_story.html

Remember, this is still a country that is majority rule and is not required to be 2/3 majority for most things, though at 64% we actually have a filibuster proof majority (if the nation were the Senate).

Watch a channel other than Faux and you might get some real facts.
02:30 PM on 11/14/2011
let the automatc cuts take effect it's a win for the democrats
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Group 8807
No Masters, No Slaves
02:55 PM on 11/14/2011
Yes, but as is often the case, a win for Democrats is a hard loss for the United States.
02:03 PM on 11/14/2011
Is this President accountable for anything?
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wayne the pain
06:05 PM on 11/14/2011
He suffers from terminal sensitivity and no guts!
NYC619
Tri-corn hats cannot fit block heads
01:52 PM on 11/14/2011
"There's no magic formula. There are no magic beans." Prez may not believe in magic but TeaGOPers, Bag Bots and Fixed and their ilk like to think they can pull "facts" out of their behinds.
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12:30 PM on 11/14/2011
Portland Police Arrest Over 50 Occupy Demonstrators

Police in Portland, Oregon, encountered an estimated 1,000 Occupy protesters Sunday afternoon in an attempt to shut down their weeks-old encampment. Nearly a dozen law enforcement agencies dispatched more than 300 officers for the eviction after Mayor Sam Adams ordered the camp shut down. More than 50 arrests were made.
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Group 8807
No Masters, No Slaves
02:56 PM on 11/14/2011
Have you noticed that it is liberal Democrat mayors sending in the police in all these situations?
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kidcat24
Capital is only the fruit of labor. Lincoln
05:15 PM on 11/14/2011
Have you noticed that Occupy is protesting against both parties?
12:20 PM on 11/14/2011
Has the Super Committe considered putting all their perks and benefits on the table along with the billions in pork barrel spending? Beside 245 of our Representative are multi-millionaires, so we know taxing the wealthy is off the table.
12:20 PM on 11/14/2011
FACT: Btwn 1970 -- 2000 Federal Tax Revenues Averaged 18.3% of GDP

FACT: After the Bush Tax Cuts, Revenues fell in '06 to 16.5% of GDP. By 2010 Revenues = 14.7%

FACT: At the same time that Revenues declined sharply: (a) 2 wars raged, (b) Bush passed Medicare Part D, (c) UE costs went thru the roof , and (d) our Nat'l Debt shot thru the roof.

FACT: Despite the Facts above, the GOP pretends we have no Revenue problem, that the Bush Tax Cuts were not a mistake, & that we should make them permanent -- and allow America to fall further and further into debt.

DO NO CENSOR ME.
NYC619
Tri-corn hats cannot fit block heads
01:53 PM on 11/14/2011
Fan #100 for facts Bag Bots don't like.
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Group 8807
No Masters, No Slaves
02:58 PM on 11/14/2011
The percentage of debt to GDP:

Under Reagan 40%
Under Bush 43%
Under Obama 109%
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TedCollins
An Englishman living in France who loves America
03:09 PM on 11/14/2011
Hello Tourist.

Your numbers bear literally no relation to what is on the CBO historical Budget page.

Debt to GDP under Clinton plummeted from 66% down to 56%

Under Bush skyrocketed from 56% to 85%.

It has risen 14% more under Obama, but the rate of increase has rapidly declined and will soon turn negative.

Please do not come back to France...
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candcje
Progressive, Liberal Democrat and Proud of it!
09:07 PM on 11/14/2011
Not only does TedCollins 'splain it pretty darn well, but he left out one important thing. The main reason that it rose another 14% under Obama in the first year is because Obama put on the books (for legitimacy sake) the two wars that Bush had conveniently not included in his budgets or expenditures....
cdterm47
I am poor because I am a River to my People
12:16 PM on 11/14/2011
Possible suggestions for the "SUPER'S"

(1). Means test SSN while raising contribution by employer and employee by 0.75%. Repeal present moratorium. Place a 1% tariff on ALL China imports-- unless they devalue the yuan-- and put the money into SSN. Raise cap on SSN to $250,000.
(2). Give the Dems support in taxing those greedy wealthy people with a 5%-6% surcharge on all AGI above $2.0 million.
(3). Cut by 20% or terminate EPA, ENERGY, HUD, EDUC., DEPTS.
(4). Bring our soldiers home from Europe, and stop policing the world.
(5). Fire 15 of the 23 servants of Mrs. Obama. Most of them are actually 2012 election planners.
(6). Treat the southern border as a SHOVEL READY project worthy of infra structure funds
(7) Merge DEA and ATF while cutting by 20% their size.
(8). Cut Dept. of State by 20%.
(9). Cut defense by $20 billion a year for 10 years.
(10). Stop credit swaps to bolster the Euro..
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surfinnonreality
Face reality as it is, not as you wish it to be.
01:14 PM on 11/14/2011
I really like #3. The states can do those functions.
I like #6. Build the fence.
I like #8.
I like #7. No sense having 2 depts doing the same functions. Merge the functions.
I like #5. Add in the czars and you really have my support.

The rest of the suggestions I will have to research. Although #4 I would reword Stop regime change. The world needs a policeman and the most powerful nation is usually it. I don't want the Chinese or Russians policing the world. We need to stop trying to change the way countries govern themselves. Democracy is not the answer for all countries.
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candcje
Progressive, Liberal Democrat and Proud of it!
09:14 PM on 11/14/2011
I mostly like #1 - with a couple changes. Eliminate the cap on what people pay in to SS, and put a cap on what people can draw - based on their income (that means test you were talking about).

#3 wouldn't work. States can't govern those things themselves because there's too much cross-talk between states. Example: The entire north east (and part of Canada) were in blackout for 2 or 3 days just a couple years ago because their energy grids are all interconnected and when one went down, the rest went with it. Also, right now, KY and TN are having an issue cuz KY wants to do some energy stuff that creates serious pollution and TN is downwind and doesn't want KY's pollution polluting their TN air. We need fed agencies to manage things that effect multiple states. (similar examples can be found for each of those agencies)
cdterm47
I am poor because I am a River to my People
10:25 PM on 11/14/2011
candcje

I favorited your comments not because I agree with all of them but simply that you could articulate reasons to defend your position. That is courage and an Independent spirit. Few people , man/woman(?) up like that.