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Richard Muller, Former Climate Change Skeptic, Warns Congress That Global Warming Is Real (VIDEO)

Richard Muller

First Posted: 11/15/11 12:11 PM ET Updated: 11/15/11 12:11 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- Richard Muller, a prominent scientist long skeptical of the science behind climate change, declared at a congressional briefing on Monday that the world is getting warmer and he has the evidence to prove it.

The well-known physicist from the University of California, Berkeley, recently spearheaded the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature study, a two-year study underwritten in part by the Charles G. Koch Foundation, whose results confirmed the scientific underpinnings of global warming.

At a briefing organized by ranking member of the House Energy and Commerce Committee Ed Markey (D-Mass.), Muller explained how his team reached the conclusion that in the last half-century the earth's temperature has risen roughly 1 degree Celsius, a number that exceeds the conservative 0.64 degree estimate put forth by the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

Analyzing a tremendous amount of data from temperature monitoring stations around the world, the BEST study examined four criticisms -- in Muller's mind, legitimate ones -- often made of existing climate change research: that so-called "urban heat islands," which retain inordinate amounts of heat, have led to exaggerated greenhouse warming estimates; that researchers have cherry-picked station data; that certain stations offer unreliable data that has been unduly influenced by the proximity of other heat sources; and that researchers have engaged in data adjustment bias, inappropriately altering data when a change in measuring instruments or other local variables were in play.

Muller's team found none of these concerns to be significant. "This means that the list of potential biases had not unduly influenced the results that had been published by prior groups," Muller said in a statement on Monday.

The "human component is somewhat uncertain," Muller cautioned of climate change science, and it is an area "worth some additional scientific addressing."

He encouraged climate skeptics to evaluate his research critically and acknowledge the earth is getting warmer, adding, "I think we need to listen to the skeptics and see when they are raising good issues."

Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), ranking member of the House Natural Resources Committee, suggested he had his doubts about how many climate deniers would cross the aisle on the politically polarized debate, even in the face of the overwhelming scientific evidence. "To be a denier is not a scientific position," Waxman said.

Those who would cast doubt on climate science can be divided into two groups, Muller replied: those who are legitimately skeptical of the science and seek more evidence, and those who start with the conclusion that climate change is a hoax and seek out any data that seems to justify the notion. Muller is one of the former.

"It is ironic if some people treat me as a traitor, since I was never a skeptic -- only a scientific skeptic," he told The Huffington Post's Tom Zeller Jr. in a recent email exchange. "Some people called me a skeptic because in my best-seller 'Physics for Future Presidents' I had drawn attention to the numerous scientific errors in the movie 'An Inconvenient Truth.' But I never felt that pointing out mistakes qualified me to be called a climate skeptic."

But the fact that a foundation created by the conservative billionaire Koch brothers, which famously underwrites climate deniers, contributed $150,000 to help fund his study would seem to suggest otherwise. The foundation has since distanced itself from the findings, saying they're still in need of peer review.

Muller was joined on Monday by Ben Santer, a research scientist with the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, and William Chameides, dean of Duke University's Nicholas School of the Environment and vice-chair of the National Academies' Committee on America's Climate Choices.

Santer argued that scientists frequently examine alternative hypotheses to try to reconcile them with observable data, but climate change, he says, is the only explanation that makes any sense. "I don't think Climategate casts any doubt on climate science," he added, referring to the 2009 controversy in which emails between researchers at the Climatic Research Unit associated with the University of East Anglia appeared to suggest scientists had inappropriately altered data to exaggerate the effects of climate change in at least three sets of oft-cited data. It was later shown there was no evidence of deliberate scientific malpractice.

"It's not rocket science," said Chameides, who discussed findings from the National Academies' America's Climate Choices report that he helped to author. "It's looking at the possible explanations and using rational explanations to eliminate them."

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Publicola
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02:16 PM on 11/21/2011
U.S. National Academy of Sciences (2010)
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There is a strong, credible body of evidence, based on multiple lines of research, documenting that climate is changing and that these changes are in large part caused by human activities­. While much remains to be learned, the core phenomenon­, scientific questions, and hypotheses have been examined thoroughly and have stood firm in the face of serious scientific debate and careful evaluation of alternative explanation­s…

From a philosophical perspective, science never proves anything… because science is fundamentally based on observations. Any scientific theory is thus, in principle, subject to being refined or overturned by new observations.

In practical terms, however, scientific uncertainties are not all the same. Some scientific conclusions or theories have been so thoroughly examined and tested, and supported by so many independent observations and results, that their likelihood of subsequently being found to be wrong is vanishingly small. Such conclusions and theories are then regarded as settled facts. This is the case for the conclusions that the Earth system is warming and that much of this warming is very likely due to human activities.

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=12782
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11:27 PM on 12/02/2011
Muller's BEST study, funded by the Koch brothers (sole owners of America's largest fossil fuels company) is the 14th confirmation of Michael Mann's original hockey stick graph of this generation's temperature spike that deniers keep trying to deny.

Seems the Kochs funded BEST because it was led not just by Muller, but also by Georgia Tech's Judith Curry, who like Muller, was openly skeptical of prior temperature studies.

http://judithcurry.com/2011/02/22/hiding-the-decline/

Result?

Muller to the Congressional House Science and Technology Committee,

“We see a global warming trend that is very similar to that previously reported by the other groups.” “Global warming is real.”

From:

http://www.berkeleyearth.org/Resources/Muller_Testimony_31_March_2011.pdf

Two page BEST summary:

http://www.berkeleyearth.org/Resources/Berkeley_Earth_Summary_20_Oct.pdf

First four papers from BEST:

http://www.berkeleyearth.org/Resources/Berkeley_Earth_Averaging_Process.pdf

http://www.berkeleyearth.org/Resources/Berkeley_Earth_UHI.pdf

http://www.berkeleyearth.org/Resources/Berkeley_Earth_Station_Quality.pdf

http://www.berkeleyearth.org/Resources/Berkeley_Earth_Decadal_Variations.pdf

And what does Curry now say?

"I had a 90 minute meeting with Richard Muller this evening. I have to say that there isn’t much that we disagree on." "So all in all, I am ok with what is going on in the BEST project."

http://judithcurry.com/2011/10/30/discussion-with-rich-muller/
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
12:37 AM on 12/03/2011
Gold.
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10:37 PM on 12/03/2011
And

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http://www.sciencemag.org/content/331/6016/450.short

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http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/oerlemans2005/oerlemans2005.html

3."Extracting a Climate Signal from 169 Glacier Records", Science308, 5722, 675-677,29 Apr2005

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/ipcc2007/ipcc2007.html

4.Ch.6, IPCC4th Assessment Report

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/moberg2005/moberg2005.html

5."Highly variable Northern Hemisphere temperatures reconstructed from low and high-resolution proxy data",Nature,433,7026,613-617,Feb2005

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/wilson2007/wilson2007.html

6."Matter of divergence: Tracking recent warming at hemispheric scales using tree ring data."J.Geophys.Res.–Atmospheres,112, Sept2007

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/jouzel2007/jouzel2007.html

7."Orbital and Millennial Antarctic Climate Variability over the Past 800,000 Years",Science,317,5839,793-797,Aug2007

8."Surface temperature reconstructions for the last 2, 000 years".Nat.Acad. Press.113–115,2006

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=0309102251&page=2

9."On the long-term context for late twentieth century warming".J.Geophys.Res., 111(D3), 2006

10."Spatial Extent of 20th-Century Warmth in the Context of the Past 1200 Years".Science311,5762:841–844,2006

11."Novel Analysis Confirms Climate "Hockey Stick" Graph".Scient.Am.,Oct2009

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11:30 PM on 12/02/2011
Yet, the Oil Companies knew this years ago.

CONOCO PHILLIPS:

CEO Jim Mulva, 2008

"The Intergover­nmental Panel on Climate Change has concluded that global warming is unequivoca­l."... "Last year we became the only U.S. integrated energy company to call for a mandatory national framework to address greenhouse gas emissions.­"

http://www­.conocophi­llips.com/­EN/newsroo­m/other_re­sources/pa­ges/cdp_sp­eech_text.­aspx

BP:

"Accepts findings of the Intergover­nmental Panel on Climate Change"

http://www­.bp.com/li­veassets/b­p_internet­/china/bpc­hina_engli­sh/STAGING­/local_ass­ets/downlo­ads_pdfs/p­ress_share­_0427_EN.p­df

SHELL

“CO2 emissions must be reduced to avoid serious climate change."

http://www­.shell.com­/home/cont­ent/enviro­nment_soci­ety/enviro­nment/clim­ate_change­/

EXXON

“The Fourth Assessment Report (AR4) of the Intergover­­nmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC 2007) provides an update of scientific understand­­ing regarding GHG emissions, global warming and the risks of climate change, and the way changes could unfold in the future. Emissions scenarios and results from climate models (see Figure 1) estimate that, without policy interventi­­on, temperatur­­es could increase 1 to 5 º C by 2100.”

http://www­.exxonmobi­l.com/Corp­orate/safe­ty_climate­_mgmt_repo­rt.aspx

CHEVRON

“... we recognize and share the concerns of government­­s and the public about climate change.The use of fossil fuels to meet the world's energy needs is a contributo­­r to an increase in greenhouse gases (GHGs)—mai­­nly carbon dioxide (CO2) and methane—in the Earth's atmosphere­­."

http://www­.chevron.c­om/globali­ssues/clim­atechange/
08:47 AM on 11/21/2011
Just going to throw this out there - I think as a country, we need to stop arguing about the possibility of Global Warming. It's not getting us anywhere closer to the truth, and is actually pulling us away from it. Wouldn't it be great if we could all just stop arguing and wait patiently for the scientists to get more inforamtion together before jumping to bad conclusions? Then we could decided for ourselves if Global Warming is possilbe instead of relying on the biased reports from Politicians and the Media. In my opinion, it exists, but not in the way the Politicians and the Media are implying.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
02:11 PM on 11/21/2011
Angel145's papa a generation ago, in the context of the smoking-causes-cancer "debate"

"Just going to throw this out there - I think as a country, we need to stop arguing about the possibilit­y of Smoking Causing Cancer. It's not getting us anywhere closer to the truth, and is actually pulling us away from it. Wouldn't it be great if we could all just stop arguing and wait patiently for the scientists to get more inforamtio­n together before jumping to bad conclusion­s? Then we could decided for ourselves if Cancer is possilbe instead of relying on the biased reports from Politician­s and the Media. In my opinion, it exists, but not in the way the Politician­s and the Media are implying."

Science denier rhetoric is stupefying.
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Ty2010
06:18 PM on 07/30/2012
It's been done.

www.greenworldtrust.org.uk
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06:04 PM on 11/20/2011
Nothing from IVES-KSA, employee of GEMS-KSA (Saudi Arabian oil services firm) this weekend. And it's about 2AM Riyadh time.

So, if, rather than commenting on his own from home, IVES-KSA of GEMS-KSA is actually a PR troll for fossil fuels, one might guess that he'll start posting again after he returns to his office Monday morning, in about 7 hours.

it's 6PM U.S. East Coast time now. Nothing from IVES-KSA.

So, if IVES-KSA of GEMS-KSA
03:58 AM on 11/21/2011
maxwells,

I went elsewhere to find the needed information. I just didn't feel being called a liar strawman and friend of big oil lent much to the debate.

So now I introduce myself as follows:

Issue 1 IVES Response
Identified as denying being Big Oil.

Our company is not identified as big oil, we are in environmental services, this is the professional designation I expected to use. Thus I denied this affiliation initially because our company turnover is certainly not big and our primary customer base is the downstream petrochemical industries that use crude oil as a raw material. I will accept the Big Oil designation openly in the future with the understanding that I stand with a large group of people that provide Services, Logistics, Manufacturing, and Marketing capabilities for raw materials supplied by Crude Oil & Natural Gas and the resulting products which include all types of Plastic, Synthetic Fibers including carpet - fabrics - apparel, Paints thinners and solvents, Liquid soap – household cleaning, Pharmaceuticals, Fertilizer, Fuel, Lubricants, Rubber, Ammonia, Glycol, etc. I am proud to stand with this industry.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
02:08 PM on 11/21/2011
GEMS-KSA (Saudi Arabia) employee IVES-KSA (aka "Bill Smith") sets up another straw man:

"Our company is not identified as big oil"

Again your company - GEMS-KSA, a Saudi Arabian waste management firm - is a Big Oil / Big Energy ***contractor***:

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Welcome to GEMS Global Environmen­tal Management Services..­.

With our key base in Saudi Arabia, we provide technology­, systems, products and services for waste management­...

Our first class operations team of experience­d profession­als have a wide expertise in the following industries­: Oil and Petrochemi­cal... Pow­er Plants & Utilities.­..
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http://www.gems-ksa.com/
http://www.gems-ksa.com/about-us

Which again is to say, you IVES-KSA were being disingenuous in the following exchange downthread:

gallon, in reference IVES-KSA propaganda: "The previous message brought to you by the Friends of Big Energy."

IVES-KSA: "Sorry I'm not from big energy"

HTH.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
02:26 PM on 11/21/2011
To GEMS-KSA (Saudi Arabia) employee IVES-KSA (aka "Bill Smith"):

You also keep evading telling us what sort of work you do at your Saudi Arabian Big Energy contracting firm, IVES-KSA.

What does GEMS-KSA pay you to do - "Public Relations" (or the like) perhaps?
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12:33 PM on 11/21/2011
As expected, IVES-KSA from GEMS-KSA (a Saudi Arabian oil services firm)

failed to respond over the weekend (away from his office?), but starts commenting again around noon Monday, Riyadh (Saudi Arabia) time, seemingly during work hours.

So, IVES-KSA, just what sort of services do you provide for GEMS-KSA? Anything related to public relations?

Also interesting, down thread, is that another man-made global warming denier showed up to post a rare comment in arabic, soon after Publicola had determined that commenter IVES-KSA (who denied being a representative from Big Energy), is an employee of GEMS-KSA. So, to mitigate mounting loss of credibility, IVES-KSA now concedes and confirms that Publicola's assessment is indeed essentially correct.

As Publicola likes to say, "Who'd a thunk it?"

Is this the typical veracity level one encounters among these deniers?

We report; you decide.
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realpolitic
Proud member of the reality-based community!
11:41 PM on 11/19/2011
There are very few honest skeptics. Almost all of the deniers that I and my collegues who believe in science argue with in these threads are "those who start with the conclusion that climate change is a hoax and seek out any data that seems to justify the notion." They will cherry pick any data or use any attack on Al Gore to justify what Rep. Henry Waxman confirms is "not a scientific position." Their position grows more and more anti-intellectual because all the evidence that comes out confirms warming and they must turn to sillier and sillier reasons to try to deny it.
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banana republican
Next in line for crumbs from the King's Table
08:26 AM on 11/20/2011
The skepticism has a scientifice base. My research indicates CO2 levels were 12 times higher in the Ordovician Period than they are now and that was during an ice age. If you can get me past that obstacle without citing 'other factors', you might be able to get me out of the 'denial' stage.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
12:44 PM on 11/20/2011
Dear Banana,

Are you -- like our friend IVES-KSA who deceptively tried to hide it downthread -- employed by a Big Energy contractor?

Either way your post demonstrates that, like Big Energy contractor employee IVES-KSA, you are not a real skeptic.

Banana: "My research indicates CO2 levels were 12 times higher in the Ordovician Period than they are now and that was during an ice age."

Where did you conduct your "research", Banana? Please provide a direct link to your source; thanks.

In any event your "research" is misleadingly muddled and confused:

1. Back in the Ordovician Period - roughly half a billion years ago, back in the days when the continents were bunched into two "supercontinents" and our ancestors were fish - the Sun was much cooler than it is today.

2. We are also in an ice age *now*.

3. With respect to the Earth being no warmer than today we are talking about the Late Ordovician Period, not the entire Ordovician Period, most of which was far, far warmer.

4. Not incidentally, CO2 levels fell sharply in the Late Ordovician.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
12:47 PM on 11/20/2011
Banana: "If you can get me past that obstacle without citing 'other factors', you might be able to get me out of the 'denial' stage."

Your conditional statement here -- where you set up a both a straw man and an impossible condition -- is a classic example of science denial.

Of course were "other factors" in addition to atmospheric CO2 levels influencing global temperatures during the Late Ordovician (see above re- the Sun), and AGW theory in no way, shape or form stipulates or suggests otherwise.

HTH.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
04:37 PM on 11/19/2011
Another GEMS-KSA (Saudi Arabia) employee?

That you, Abdel wahab El haddad, posted your very first and only HuffPo post below soon after IVES-KSA (aka "Bill Smith") was outed as an employee of GEMS-KSA* is an interestin­g developmen­t.

Abdel are you, like IVES-KSA, a GEMS-KSA employee?

For that matter, are you IVES-KSA?

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* GEMS-KSA is a Saudi Arabia-based Big Energy contracting firm. IVES-KSA was outed as a GEMS-KSA employee soon after he made the deceptively misleading claim that he is "not from Big Energy".
02:26 PM on 11/19/2011
التغير المناخى اصبح ما بين الاكذوبة و الحقيقة و اليقين ان حرارة الارض ترتفع و لكن لصالح الارض او ضدها ؟ اعتقد ان هذه دورة حرايرة طبيعة تؤثر فى الماء و البيئة لتف
حفظ التوازن المائى
الذين يدعون ان التغير المناخى سوف يأخذ الارض الى الجحيم لم يقرأوا قول الله تعالى بعد ان خلق الارض (و قدر فيها اقواتها ) صدق الله العظيم
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
04:16 PM on 11/19/2011
Translation via Google:

"Climate change has become between the lie and the truth and the certainty that the Earth's temperature rises, but for the benefit of the ground or against it? I think this cycle Hraarh affect the nature of the water and the environment Ltf
Save the water balance
Who claim that climate change will take the earth to hell did not read the words of God after the creation of the earth (and thinking that) the great truth of God"

You have a lot in common with these Christian Fundamentalist science deniers, which include some of the most prominent "skeptics" out there, Abdel:

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The world is in the grip of an idea: that burning fossil fuels... is causing global warming that will be so dangerous that we must stop it by reducing our use...

We believe that idea... fails the tests of theology..­. with a worldview of the Earth and its climate system contrary to that taught in the Bible...

God’s wisdom, power, and faithfulness justify confidence that Earth’s ecosystems are robust and will, by God’s providence­, accomplish the purposes He set for them.
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http://www.cornwallalliance.org/docs/a-renewed-call-to-truth-prudence-and-protection-of-the-poor.pdf

Science denialism is eternal.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
03:17 PM on 11/20/2011
Friend of Bill's?
03:28 PM on 11/22/2011
sorry for delay, goggle translation is not correct, I mean that the climate change is uncertainty but all the talking are theories
We have in our Holley Quran that the Change in climate can take place for few years and every thing could re-back again like what happened with profit Joseph
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
02:28 PM on 11/21/2011
Abdel are you, like IVES-KSA, a GEMS-KSA (Saudi Arabia) employee?

For that matter, are you IVES-KSA?

Please answer, thanks.
12:58 AM on 11/19/2011
We are never going to solve anything! Even the fact that I am writting this on my laptop means clearing vasts amounts of forest just to get to the precious minerals needed to make computers. I don't know whether to laugh, or cry
11:56 PM on 11/18/2011
How much more evidence do we need to wake up??? Are you watching the weather??
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
01:14 AM on 11/19/2011
The evidence is right there. Everyone sees it. There is a huge financial reason for the Big Energy interests not to see it, and so they fund a vast disinformation campaign to keep the issue confused. Witness the numerous deniers that disrupt these climate threads.
06:43 PM on 11/18/2011
One at a time might take us to the end sustainable and Eco-friendly life style and may be we will save the potential disasters or minimize the impacts. I also that we are reacting lay back and slow to the alarming evidences of climate change....

www.millionsustainablesolutions.com
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
12:31 PM on 11/18/2011
National Academy of Sciences, 2010:
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There is a strong, credible body of evidence, based on multiple lines of research, documenting that climate is changing and that these changes are in large part caused by human activities. While much remains to be learned, the core phenomenon, scientific questions, and hypotheses have been examined thoroughly and have stood firm in the face of serious scientific debate and careful evaluation of alternative explanations...

Some scientific conclusions or theories have been so thoroughly examined and tested, and supported by so many independent observations and results, that their likelihood of subsequently being found to be wrong is vanishingly small. Such conclusions and theories are then regarded as settled facts. This is the case for the conclusions that the Earth system is warming and that much of this warming is very likely due to human activities.

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=12782 
11:36 AM on 11/18/2011
Brooke,

I am desparetly searching for the fundamental IPCC models produced in the last report. I was told that they were updated and given a link, but the update is a GW CC AGW advocacy site.

I came to HP expecting to find the best information supporting GW CC AGW but there does not seem to be a centrally accepted data source for any information.

My abilities in business modelling are pretty good, not so much in statistical modelling. But the accuracy of the input is vital. Some pretty credible sources say CC is too complex for modelling. This is strongly supported by the Holocen Glaciation Retreat (wikipedia) temperature records for 12000 years which show CC in 8 different regions with no correlation on start point rate of change or timing. During the Holocen interglacial which we are still in, CC was radical and different in various regions at the same time. Temperature variations were +-1.5 degrees c in individual regions with the average less dramatic because CC was going in the opposit direction at the same time neutralizing the magnitude.

This sure seems to confirm CC is regional. And regional conditions which affect CC complicate any model not to mention linking regional interfaces, our computers are not big enough even if we had the input data.

The recent warming period started several hundered years ago from the lowest Holocene average temperature change for the 10000 years.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
12:30 PM on 11/18/2011
Dear IVES-KSA (KSA = Saudi Arabia, which is where the fossil fuel service corporation you work for is located):

The chart you are citing is comprised of various different temperature proxies, which explains much of the variation that you are using to deceptively assert that said variation "confirms" that "CC [Climate Change] is regional".

Of course *climate change* is regional - got any more straw men? Of course you do.

Global warming that is attributed to anthropogenic causes, however, is not regional - it is global, as the instrumental temperature record conclusively demonstrates.

Nice attempt at trying to cast unwarranted doubt on and obscure that scientific fact, however.

Also, and as I ask you below and you evaded:

What is your job at your Saudi Arabian company that caters to the fossil fuel industry?

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
-- Upton Sinclair
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
01:06 PM on 11/18/2011
IVES-SaudiArabia: "Temperatur­e variations were +-1.5 degrees c in individual regions with the average less dramatic because CC was going in the opposit direction at the same time neutralizi­ng the magnitude."

Funny how you neglected to mention that per that graph the overall trend for several thousand of years since the Holocene Climactic Optimum has been a cooling trend.

Sort of like how you neglected to mention that your Saudi Arabian waste management company caters to Big Energy when you stated that you are not "from Big Energy".

IVES-SaudiArabia: "The recent warming period started several hundered years ago from the lowest Holocene average temperatur­e change for the 10000 years."

Still more misleading science denier rhetoric from IVES-SaudiArabia.

Look up and research "Little Ice Age", IVES-SA - HTH.

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Climate Science Denial: it's easier when your job caters to the fossil fuel industry.
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StephenBP
What's he building in there?
07:18 AM on 11/18/2011
An exercise in free market economics and climate change.

Why do oil billionaires hate it when their “subjects” start getting organized?

Well, suppose people all around the world got organized and finally figure out that if they conserved fossil fuel, the demand for it would go down, as would the price of it? Shouldn’t people be able to decide value either individually or as a group? Isn’t that what human cultures are about? For a start, I would say that most people could easily trim 10% off their energy usage with no discernible change in their comfort levels. We could drop oil and gas prices almost instantly if we wanted to, couldn’t we?

That is why it is absolutely essential that oil billionaires pollute our air waves with anti-free market propaganda in the form of louts like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and Mark Morano. We don’t really have a free market because demands are constantly skewed by skilled, divisive, and deceptive marketers glorifying primitive cultural values like horsepower, acquisition, and status, values from the age of barbarity, values which are more destructive than constructive to a strong modern scientific society. Values that are great, though for oil barons bank accounts.
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doriath22
Born-again Jacobin. Robespierre had the right idea
07:00 AM on 11/18/2011
I'm not hopeful. The deniers show all the classic hallmarks of religious fanaticism, and no amount of facts will alter their desperately clinging to the "hoax" story
RealistBC
Micro-bios must pass muster.
11:52 PM on 11/17/2011
How long before the Kochs demand a refund on their investment?
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
04:20 PM on 11/17/2011
gallon, in reference to science denier propaganda by IVES-KSA: "The previous message brought to you by the Friends of Big Energy."

You hit the nail on the head, gallon.

IVES-KSA: "Sorry I'm not from big energy"

Nice deceptive deflection attempt, IVES, but no gold medal. As gallon correctly surmised you are indeed from a *Friend* of Big Energy.

Your email address as you presented it downthread is:
bill.smith@gems-ksa.­com

Who is GEMS-KSA?

GEMS-KSA is a Saudi Arabia-based waste management firm whose primary clients include Big Energy:

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Welcome to GEMS Global Environmental Management Services...

With our key base in Saudi Arabia, we provide technology, systems, products and services for waste management...

Our first class operations team of experienced professionals have a wide expertise in the following industries: Oil and Petrochemical... Power Plants & Utilities...
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http://www.gems-ksa.com/
http://www.gems-ksa.com/about-us

You work for a company whose primary clients include Big Energy.

Who woulda thunk it.

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.
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04:59 PM on 11/17/2011
Kudos to Publicola!
05:23 PM on 11/17/2011
All those oh-so-reasonable sounding arguments -- we know they're all bunk, but now we know why.
10:49 AM on 11/18/2011
The positions are honest opinions. Sorry you can't debate on that basis.

I came to HP expecting to find the best sources of GW CC AGW specialists who could lead me to the "settled science". All I get is the above.

GEMS has
a water treatment facility in Dammam to collect industrial effluent and return it to grey water using biological treatment.
a small refinery in Rabigh that returns used engine oil to base oil for the production of new engine oil
cleanup and maintenance capabilities as requied by customers to be sure they comply with environmental standards.
Our services are environmentally driven and they cost the fossil fuel industry
I'm here because the construction materials industry, my chosen professon has been devastated
Get green technology up and running and offer me a job so I can come home

Jobs Jobs Jobs

are you the right guys to help me get a job???
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Reality has a scientific bias
02:29 PM on 11/18/2011
IVES-SaudiArabia: "The positions are honest opinions."

Much of your rhetoric - for example your response "Sorry I'm not from big energy" after Gallon correctly characterized you as a Friend of Big Energy - is not.

Also and as the saying goes: you are entitled to your own opinions but not to your own facts.

IVES-SaudiArabia: "...help me get a job???"

You have a job, IVES - at a Saudi Arabian company that caters to Big Energy.

If you would like a job at an American company instead: what is your current education, job responsibility, and skill set, and what sort of job are you looking for?