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First Posted: 11/16/11 03:27 PM ET Updated: 11/16/11 03:27 PM ET

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Johnson County Settles Ten Commandments Suit, Will Allow Church-State Separation Display

MOUNTAIN CITY, Tenn. (AP) - Leaders of a Tennessee county have agreed to show a local man's display promoting church-state separation in the courthouse's "public forum" area.

The agreement is part of a settlement in a case where Ralph Stewart accused Johnson County officials of promoting Christianity, in violation of the First Amendment.

According to the lawsuit, the county allowed a large plaque of the Ten Commandments to hang in the courthouse lobby as part of a display on the history of American law.

Stewart's display, which was not allowed, consists of posters titled "On the Legal History of the Separation of Church and State" and "The Ten Commandments Are Not the Foundation of American Law." The latter contains the statement, "The primary source of American law is the common and statuary law of England, NOT the Bible and NOT Christianity."

Americans United for Separation of Church and State announced the settlement last week. It included a payment of $75,000 to Americans United for legal fees and a token payment of $1 to Stewart.

Stewart said he would have preferred that the county simply remove the Ten Commandments plaque, but he hopes that this case will deter other counties from adopting a public forum as a way to display Christian religious texts.

"The concept that government should not be promoting a religion is such a really cool idea that we came up with, and they just don't seem to grasp that," Stewart said of local political leaders.

County Mayor Larry Potter referred calls to the county attorney who did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

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bryanzth
Honest to Goodness USA Patriot!
05:02 PM on 12/12/2011
Well. It seems that the GOP/TPers and Theocons certainly break every one of the 10  commandment, don't they?

1. They put money before piety.
2. They worship the Bible.
3. They swear by the Corporatocracy.
4. They keep no day holy.
5. They usurp the Founders.
6. They certainly kill.
7. They certainly cheat.
8. They certainly steal.
9. They certainly lie.
10. They are certainly greedy.

What a travesty.

BZ.
09:24 AM on 12/01/2011
God is definately not a girl as the wicca seem to think and do their little pagan worship. Read theBook. 1000 years of writngs that blend in truth can not be fiction, right down to the words of Christs enemies written in the OT. most never read His story but choose in their ignorance. so sad. It is wonderful that the Eternal is a patient and merciful God. Amen
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Avak
02:12 PM on 12/21/2011
"1000 years of [writings] that blend in truth cannot be fiction..." (spelling correction my own).

So I guess you believe in the Illiad and the Odyssey, too. I'm assuming you must be very busy to include worship of Greek gods along with the Hebrew one, since you seem to think that any ancient writing that includes some aspect of truth must be true.

Thousands of years from now, people will also then worship Spiderman, since his comic books take place in New York, a real city...
08:32 PM on 12/21/2011
Guess and assuming will not teach you the truth. Read the Book.
08:37 PM on 12/21/2011
Something as simple as Gods love and mercy can sure be over complicated by the ones who prefer not to know the truth, and yet our Country so depends on God and always has. From the presidents to the workers to the slave....all have the same God.
11:47 AM on 01/11/2012
2 decades of christianity and education could not abolish my pagan heart. There is both goddess and god, female and male aspects - and she will be there to guide you when you come to your senses. Blessed be.
09:52 PM on 11/25/2011
PLEASE! Let me have the Wiccan Rede posted in the courthouse.. I mean, it's not a profession of faith of the nation.. it is just as valid as the 10 Commandments.
02:58 AM on 11/27/2011
Conservative pastors were agry with President Obama for not invoking "God's" name in his Thanksgiving Day message. Conservatives in general have a menacing problem: it is either their way or it is no way all. Why would God care about Thanksgiving Day after all. God is for all nations and not for a particular nation.
11:48 AM on 01/11/2012
You GO! Blessed be.
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kencrn419
The past laughs last...
06:16 AM on 11/25/2011
“If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn’t help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus is just as selfish as we are or we’ve got to acknowledge that he commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition...and then admit that we just don’t want to do it.â€

- Stephen Colbert
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Michael Lee Smyth
a nomadic view
01:28 AM on 11/25/2011
I have such a hard time understanding why so many people have such an issue with why Church and State should be seperated and what it really means. It means government does not promote one religion over another, pretty simple. under god was not added to the pledge until the 50's as a knee jerk reaction to those godless commies.
I really like the complete denial many Christians are in over their God being the only one-Commandement one clearly says "No other Gods Before me"
In Exodus"the God of the Hebrews was stronger than the GODS of the Egyptians
Gehova was stronger than BAAL the God of the Canaanites. There are graven images allover many churches. In many sects they pray to Mary and Jesus (Jesus said to pray to God in his name, not to pray to Jesus) Don't swear to God, any God unless you really plan on holding true to the vow. etcetera.....Oh yeah....Give to Ceaser that which is Ceaser's...follow the laws of man unless they violate-actually violate the laws of your religion...not a twisted view.
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crowepps
03:45 AM on 11/24/2011
These just crack me up. There it is, right at Number 2, "Though Shalt Not Make Unto Thee Any Graven Image", Graven on the Image Made. Judge Roy Bean's was best, it had people down on their knees all around it worshipping it. Doesn't anybody bother to READ it?
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Michael Lee Smyth
a nomadic view
01:30 AM on 11/25/2011
I was going to come up with some witty repartee for this but I think NO will do.
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Ronald B. Robinson
Keeping the Jesuit Tradition Alive
02:05 PM on 11/23/2011
Have you ever noticed that rightwing "Christians" NEVER request or demand that Jesus' "Beatitudes" and "Sermon on the Mount be put up in front of Courthouses or schools?" - You know, that's where Jesus condemns the abuse of power by the rich and proselytizes for the common good - our brothers and sisters who are poor, sick, old, vulnerable, etc.? Jesus had some strong words for such sanctimonious "10 Commandment" Tea Party Pharisees in His day, whom he called "vipers," "snakes" and "hypocrites" who would "go straight to hell."
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Michael Lee Smyth
a nomadic view
01:31 AM on 11/25/2011
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a wealthy man to pass through the gates of heaven.
09:41 AM on 11/23/2011
Why aren't the PUNISHMENTS all listed?

Death for all!!!

Wow. That was easy. I didn't even need to go to law school to become a judge.

(See how id.iotic it is to think of law as being derived from a religious text?)
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speedy evans
08:07 AM on 11/23/2011
the courthouse is the last place to post the 10 comandments.not 1 judge will use it .cause justice is blind.an stop useing the bible to scare ppl thinking there gonna tell the truth .when 1 lawyer must lie to save his client.
08:09 PM on 11/22/2011
As a follower of Jesus, I also object to the placement of the Ten Commandments in public places. The Ten Commandments are a misrepresentation of the precepts taught by Christ.

When talking about law regulations, including the Sabbath Day, Paul wrote, "Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, ... but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence," Colossians 2:23. Jesus taught that we must remain in him to bring forth good fruit.

Peter agreed that godliness does not come from laws. He wrote, "God's divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. Through these He has given us His very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires," 2 Peter 1:3-4. Through PROMISES we participate in God's nature and through PROMISES we escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires!

I cannot fathom why any Christian would want to display the Ten Commandments even in their own church.
09:37 AM on 11/23/2011
Imagine that. Christians can't figure out their own beliefs. Perhaps that's because it's all completely made up?
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PollyTics
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06:17 AM on 11/24/2011
There's no reason to be snotty when "Ever a student" presented his/her own views in a polite and cogent manner.
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Michael Lee Smyth
a nomadic view
01:34 AM on 11/25/2011
Fathom-six feet-grave depth
As a former preacher I would say because many have never read the Bible on their own and reflected on the lessons contained within. They are spoonfed a viewpoint very far away from the one I received.
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Vernie Taylor
12:44 AM on 11/22/2011
The separation of church and state was he most progressive and unique accomplishment of our founding fathers. It was a remarkable advance in the recognition of natural rights, individualism, and an ethics founded on human reason not tribal superstitions.
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Joel Mendez
producer of The Raptor Jesus Show, and REV.
02:26 PM on 11/23/2011
exactly why evangelicals hate it.
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Michael Lee Smyth
a nomadic view
01:35 AM on 11/25/2011
HUZZAH!!!
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PollyTics
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06:18 AM on 11/24/2011
...and that is exactly why it is under attack.
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Warren Harrison
Defending All The Good America Stands For
01:33 PM on 11/21/2011
This is a great country and no one is denying any American citizen the right to worship the God they believe in. Now this right is not the right of any religious group to decide upon. It is personal. I am a christian and I am flabbergasted at the faithlessness of Christians to believe all will turn out well without intruding into the rights of all Americans. Is this not Love thy Nieghbor? The continual use of the oil of meddling destroys freedom and puts restrictions upon the good will of men.
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Marc NL
47,3% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
01:03 PM on 11/21/2011
There is no separation of church and state in the U.S. Ask your self how likely it would be for a non-believer to become president and it becomes obvious.
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Michael Lee Smyth
a nomadic view
01:36 AM on 11/25/2011
Christains have a hard time voting for a non Christian...I know I have a hard time voting for one.
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Marc NL
47,3% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
11:54 AM on 11/25/2011
Why is that? I would be very interested to know?
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05:09 PM on 11/26/2011
You have not allowed for the difference between political preference and law—apples and oranges.

Separation only refers to law. We could elect only Jewish Presidents from now on and still maintain separation of religion and state.
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Marc NL
47,3% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
11:07 AM on 11/27/2011
Yes, but it illustrates a point doesn't it? if the people are not willing to vote for an atheist the rest does not matter much.
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curiousdwk
Global Citizen. Not Democratic, not Republican, n
12:48 PM on 11/21/2011
There are two approaches for religion and governance. Governance can try to include all relgions or it can be secular and not include any religions. To try to include all is totally unworkable and a huge mistake. Secularism is the only approach which works which does not prohibit religion, but only prohibts religions from playing a part in society's governance.
12:35 AM on 11/26/2011
I agree with that philosophy. A secular government is the only workable, practical way for our country to abide by the First Amendment's religion clauses.
www.thelordisnotontrial.com
05:01 AM on 11/21/2011
I have been the recipient of too many answered prayers to deny the substance of my faith in Christ Jesus. I rejoice in my belief.
07:14 AM on 11/21/2011
Coincidence and nothing more.
12:20 PM on 11/21/2011
I've met statistical genuises in my day but your a walking TI-84. Actually, those of you whose father is the devil hold little countenance with my Father in heaven.
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pdferguson
Micro-bios? We don't need no stinkin' micro-bios!
12:32 PM on 11/21/2011
Confirmational bias in all its ignorant glory...
02:28 PM on 11/21/2011
Yeah..you showed me. We'll see who is ignorant on judgement day.