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At Occupy Seattle, 84-Year-Old Activist, Pregnant Teen, Priest Among Those Pepper Sprayed

Occupy Seattle

11/16/11 06:30 AM ET   AP

SEATTLE -- A downtown march and rally in support of the Occupy Wall Street movement turned briefly chaotic as police scattered a crowd of rowdy protesters – including a pregnant 19-year-old and an 84-year-old activist – with blasts of pepper spray.

Protest organizers denounced the use of force, saying that police indiscriminately sprayed the chemical irritant at peaceful protesters.

The Occupy Seattle movement released a written statement late Tuesday expressing support for "a 4-foot 10-inch, 84-year-old woman, a priest and a pregnant woman who as of this writing is still in the hospital."

Dorli Rainey is an activist who has supported liberal causes in the Seattle area for decades. A photo showing Rainey being cared for by fellow activists in the immediate aftermath of the police incident appeared on news websites around the world.

Seattle police spokesman Jeff Kappel said he didn't have specifics on the Rainey incident, but he said pepper spray is "is not age specific. No more dangerous to someone who is 10 or someone who is 80."

He added, that if it were harmful, "we probably wouldn't be using pepper spray if that was the case."

Kappel said police had not yet established whether a pregnant woman was involved.

Paramedics examined a handful of people, including a 19-year-old woman who was three-months pregnant, Seattle fire department spokesman Kyle Moore said. The Seattle Times reported on its website that the woman was taken by ambulance to Harborview Medical Center.

Her identity and status were not immediately available.

Moore added that the protester's own medical response team had taken care of others.

"These protesters are well organized, they're using homemade remedies to counter pepper spray," he said.

Seattle police said plenty of verbal warnings were given to demonstrators attempting to block intersections and streets during rush hour.

"Pepper spray was deployed only against subjects who were either refusing a lawful order to disperse or engaging in assaultive behavior toward officers," Kappel wrote on the department's blog.

Kappel also noted that one man threw an "unknown liquid" at an officer's face and was arrested. The officer was not injured.

In another incident, Kappel said a 17-year-old woman swung a stick at an officer, and as police moved to arrest her, others tried to intervene on her behalf, prompting a blast of pepper spray.

Authorities arrested at least six people before quickly restoring order.

Occupy Seattle organizers said the downtown march was in solidarity with other Occupy Wall Street protests around the nation.

The skirmish Tuesday was the first clash in weeks.

Occupy Seattle moved its encampment to Seattle Central Community College late October. Before that, the group had been camping at Westlake Park, leading to tense standoffs with police and dozens of arrests.

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06:11 PM on 11/21/2011
Why has everyone all of a sudden become mathematicians and saying things about percentages, 99's and 1's. If people were this good with arithmetic before the 2008 credit crunch, all this trouble wouldn't have happened.

Instead of using all your energy to protest, why not channel your energy into useful stuff, like keeping an eye on your mortgage, creditcard or looking for a solution. Now the USA has to dominate my news every weekend again and I probably end up paying for people's stupid actions one way or another.
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John Woodhouse
08:47 PM on 11/19/2011
sad days we live in what happened to the country, these storm troopers remind me of the nazis
06:14 PM on 11/21/2011
Sure the "99 %" are a bunch of jews right? And USA all of a sudden became a 3rd world country. My reply will soon be censored. The world is ruled by the Bilderberg group. And finally UFO's exist.
07:31 PM on 11/18/2011
18 November 2011

First of all, every one of these criminals who are pepper-spraying, shooting projectiles, bashing, dragging, and detaining, and their chiefs, and every one of their associated officials needs to be indicted and convicted.

To all of us, pepper spray, “is not age-specific,” says Detective Jeff Campbell of the Seattle Police Department.

Only an uneducated, maladjusted, and hateful individual would make such a statement, and there are many of them in our government. Otherwise, why is the Congress and the White House allowing these abuses to continue? If there was ever a need to call the FBI to arrest police officers, we have seen it day after day, but our public servants do not care. Instead, they methodically, and with purposeful direction, support these criminals with their silence.

By Detective Campbell's standards, elderly people are no more susceptible to strokes, heart attacks, or life-threatening seizures. Furthermore, falling and breaking a hip, from the shock, and consequently dying from infection would be unrelated. This mouthpiece of the corporation’s ignorant statement is no different than the assertion: there is no evident difference between the extreme physical abuses put upon the body of an 80-year-old compared to an 18-year-old.

Sincerely,
Joseph C. Carbone III
08:09 PM on 11/17/2011
Seattle police spokesman Jeff Kappel said "if it were harmful, we probably wouldn't be using pepper spray if that was the case." If that is so, why was the 19-year-old woman who was three-months pregnant taken by ambulance to Harborview Medical Center? Something I have always speculated on is..If a peaceful protest is happening, why have the police come unless there is a problem? These protests started with permits but immediately the police were sent in force. They created animosity, for instance where NY police herded thousands onto the bridge literaly trapping them there w/ no facilities. Does seem a political ploy by the NY Police Chief, If the crowds respond then the movement is blamed for the violence, I am not saying the individual NY police were to blame for their actions, they were following orders. I do commend the thousands who managed to keep it peaceful despite all this. It is a shame that there are those who are causing disruption, but considering how many all over the country are protesting, along with even more who back them, please look at these people's message.
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wrenmark
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04:41 PM on 11/17/2011
If you lie down with dogs you get fleas......if they were peaceful protesters they put themselves in harms way by being there among the lunatics, too bad for them!! We all need to take responsibility for our actions, good or bad!
06:54 PM on 11/17/2011
I pray to Jesus you're being satirical, but I know you're not.
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wrenmark
Proud American
07:04 PM on 11/17/2011
You are correct, I am serious!
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12:48 PM on 11/17/2011
Well, their aim is lousy. Only 1 of 3 deserved it.
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TheCycad
Shape The Future, Don't Be Swept Away By It
12:45 PM on 11/17/2011
FTP
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carburetor
Because money isn't everything!
11:27 PM on 11/16/2011
It's comforting to know that Seattle poilce spokesman Jeff Kappell said that pepper spray is not "age specific". In other words, he has no concerns about spraying an eight month old or an eighty year old. In fact, there have been deaths attributed to the use of pepper spray. It does elevate blood pressure, is very dangerous to asthma sufferers and can be deadly when used in combination with certain arrest and detainment methods. There are no studies to support a greater danger to the elderly, however common sense would indicate that such a person probably has health problems that might be exacerbated by pepper spray. The mayor of Seattle has gone public and apologized for the incident. The indiscriminate use of pepper spray for crowd control applications needs to be reevaluated. When randomly targeting groups of protesters, peaceful individuals who are cooperative with authorities can be seriously injured in these circumstances. it should be obvious to anyone that an 84 year old woman isn't an anarchist or a rioter. The police need to consider that a persons rights are not age specific, either.
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bdunlap52
06:53 PM on 11/17/2011
The 84 year old woman was obviously right in the middle of the anarchists and rioters, she chose her place. Now is time to deal with the consequences of her own actions.
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carburetor
Because money isn't everything!
03:31 AM on 11/18/2011
She has... she's a pretty tough old bird!
10:49 PM on 11/16/2011
I am inspired every day by these brave souls. They have the strenght and determination to SCREAM for change. It is the only way to be heard over the money of the 1%. Power To The People!!
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sviolette
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05:43 PM on 11/16/2011
Sounds like Seattle police are working determinedly to pepper spray the entire demographic spectrum. Have they maced a wheelchair-bound grandmother yet?
05:49 PM on 11/16/2011
grandma should be home watching the price is right
07:09 PM on 11/16/2011
Everyone's grandma isn't as idle as your own.
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sviolette
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12:01 AM on 11/17/2011
Who the F--- are you to tell ANYONE what they should be doing?
05:06 PM on 11/16/2011
From a strictly Worried Dad perspective, why is a young pregnant woman marching with a giant crowd of protesters at night? Having seen what happened in Oakland and elsewhere, you can't expect every one of these protests and marches to go smoothly.

Why would you risk your health and your baby's health to be out in that kind of situation? There are plenty of ways to help the cause without taking those risks.
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RubyMontana
When did money become a four-letter-word?
05:22 PM on 11/16/2011
She thought it was a party?
05:24 PM on 11/16/2011
ruby get it right, she thought it was the line for welfare
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camanokat
Outta this world
07:22 AM on 11/17/2011
Blame the victim. The Occupy Seattle camp was moved to a local community college and there have been several peaceful marches from there to the original protest site at Westlake plaza. I attended one. It was peaceful and respectful...there were families with children there.

The cops were out of line and failed to notify Occupy that they would be attacked.
09:59 AM on 11/17/2011
I'm not saying the cops didn't overreact. The indiscriminate spraying of pepper spray is proof of that.

All I'm saying is I would strongly urge my daughter, if she were pregnant, to not be out at night protesting in a huge crowd, knowing that these things can get out of control. The fact that there have been peaceful protests doesn't change the fact that there have been problems at protests, too.
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bdunlap52
06:54 PM on 11/17/2011
Ah yes, so peaceful and respectful. Besides the ones that swung sticks at police, threw stuff on police, threatened police, etc.
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fatuglynerd
Be careful ... You are what you pretend to be.
04:21 PM on 11/16/2011
The 1% is a REAL threat.

This is an obvious FACT.

If you choose not to acknowledge this, it's fine, but you will not be able to suppress THE 99 any longer.

You can repeat the lies as much as you'd like, but you'll never be able to convince the global population of the facts that we've finally woken up to.

If you want to be a slave, then carry on, and do so, but there's no reason you should ATTACK other civilians who are fighting for a change that will benefit ALL OF US.
05:12 PM on 11/16/2011
why dont they move to protest at the white house?or congress? isnt that where everything is approved?
09:06 AM on 11/17/2011
I find myself wondering the same. At the end of the day the malfeasance perpetuated on the American people was both tacitly and actively approved by the hucksters in DC. However, the OWS protesters may regard the federal government as so totally corrupt at this point that efforts to rehab the Feds are a waste of resources and predestined to fail (analogous to convincing Newt to stop cheating on his wives or Rush to lay off the narcotics). But influencing currently entrenched pols is probably not the goal anyway. More likely the effort is geared towards American voters with an ultimate goal of voting current swine out of office. It's difficult to pin down common threads with grass-roots uprisings just by their very nature. However from a media exposure standpoint there's nothing quite as gripping as viewing thousands of American dissenters exercising their First Amendment rights across the street from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
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f0rTyLeGz
Everything is falling.
07:09 PM on 11/16/2011
While I agree that the 1% is a threat, the war was lost long ago. They got our houses, jobs, and savings, during the Bush years. But pitching tents in the city parks doesn't constitute a valid protest. It is a public nuisance. They are winning NO votes.
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sviolette
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12:03 AM on 11/17/2011
They aren't looking for votes.
03:23 PM on 11/16/2011
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
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oldgrizzledvet
Let your words heal, not wound
03:20 PM on 11/16/2011
MEMO TO: Jeff Kappel, Seattle PD Spokesman. Just how do you sleep at night? Hope your relatives are proud of you.
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FanaticRealist
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03:20 PM on 11/16/2011
He added, that if it were harmful, "we probably wouldn't be using pepper spray if that was the case."

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Bullets are harmful. You use those.

You hit someone around the head with a nightstick. That's probably harmful. You use those.

A taser used incorrectly can cause a cardiac arrest. Police use those and people have died.
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bdunlap52
06:55 PM on 11/17/2011
Bullets are only used in lethal force situations. You don't hit someone in the head with the nightstick, you are trained to hit specific areas on the body that are nerve centers. And the bottom line in this is that police are a REACTIONARY force. They do not create the situations. They react to the people involved in them.
11:24 AM on 11/20/2011
So I gather you are not including the thugs who are worse the the mob. That wears a badge and swore to protect us. Who doesn't bother waiting for a reaction from anyone. Who just acts on their own. Oh say let's use the U.C. Davis 11-18-11 (Occupy Wall Street protest) as an example.