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Occupy Wall Street And Democrats Remain Wary Of Each Other

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BETH FOUHY   11/17/11 04:14 PM ET   AP

NEW YORK — The arrests and occasional violence marking Occupy Wall Street's two month anniversary underscore Democrats' strategy of keeping their distance from the protest movement.

Democrats and Occupy Wall Street share similar concerns about economic inequality. But while the Republican Party and the tea party were a natural political pairing, Democrats have been reluctant to cast their lot with Occupy agitators who confront police and squat in public encampments.

Thursday's mass demonstrations in New York, Los Angeles and elsewhere were a stark reminder of why the Occupy movement remains a minefield for Democrats, even as polling continues to show public support for its message.

At least 175 were arrested as protesters attempted to block traders from entering the New York Stock Exchange in lower Manhattan. Police said four officers were injured when demonstrators threw liquid – possibly vinegar – in their faces.

The arrests came two days after hundreds were forcibly evicted from New York's Zuccotti Park, where the Occupy Wall Street movement was launched Sept. 17 when activists pitched tents to protest policies they said benefit only the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans.

Los Angeles police arrested at least 23 people after declaring an unlawful assembly at an Occupy rally in the city's financial district. In Portland, Ore., more than a dozen protesters were led away in handcuffs after attempting to barricade an entrance to the Steel Bridge, an important link for mass transit in the region.

For their part, many Occupy protesters have been openly contemptuous of Democrats including President Barack Obama, arguing that both political parties are equally beholden to corporate interests and responsible for enacting policies that have hurt the middle class.

But even without an explicit alliance between the two groups, many Democrats believe the Occupy movement's focus on income inequality could help the party reinvigorate its base.

"It's injecting energy and life into progressive ideas and values, and it's showing some weak-kneed Democrats they should be more aggressive on those issues," Steve Rosenthal, a Democratic strategist and longtime labor leader, said.

Republicans have largely dismissed Occupy Wall Street as a band of anti-capitalist ruffians, while trying to goad Democrats into embracing the movement or answering for its excesses.

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has called the movement dangerous class warfare, while fellow candidate Michele Bachmann called the protesters "ignorant" and "disrespectful."

So far, Democrats have tried to have it both ways – embracing the movement's economic concerns while steering clear of its rougher edges.

"I think people feel separated from their government," Obama told ABC News. "They feel that their institutions are not looking out for them."

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee has gone a step further, posting a petition, "100,000 Strong Standing With Occupy Wall Street," that blames Republican policies for the nation's economic discontent.

But many Occupy Wall Street activists contend they have no interest in helping Democrats.

"The Occupy movement is rooted in the idea that the political system is broken to such a degree that we can no longer work through the Republican or Democratic parties," Tim Franzen, a spokesman for Occupy Atlanta, said.

"This is not about politics. This is about people," said Marsha Spencer, an Occupy volunteer in New York. "We've lost our government. It's not by the people, for the people anymore. We need to get it back, and we don't need a political party to do that."

Such talk has frustrated some Democratic leaders, who say engaging in electoral politics would make the Occupy movement more effective.

"I want them to get up and start registering voters, start playing towards the 2012 election," former Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell said at a seminar at Harvard University last week. "Not just the presidential, but congressional and Senate elections and state legislative elections. That's where they can make real change."

At least one candidate seems to be channeling the energy of the Occupy Wall Street movement: Democrat Elizabeth Warren, a Harvard Law School professor challenging Republican Sen. Scott Brown in Massachusetts.

Warren's campaign drew national attention after she said the rich should pay more in taxes since they have benefited the most from government policies. Warren later claimed to have laid the "intellectual foundation" for the Occupy movement but stressed that protesters need to obey the law.

Republicans recognized an electoral ally in the tea party movement soon after its inception in early 2009, when activists began protesting government spending and the federal bank bailouts.

While many tea party members claimed to be nonpartisan, they were mostly white, older and conservative and shared the Republican Party's goal of limiting government and cutting spending. Tea party activists helped drive many of the angry congressional town hall meetings protesting Obama's health care overhaul, and the sweeping Republican victories in the 2010 midterm elections were fueled in large party by tea party enthusiasm.

While the Occupy movement has not had similar tangible goals, activists say it has already had an impact on the political dialogue.

Labor leaders say the movement's message of economic inequality was a factor in Ohio, where voters overwhelmingly repealed a law curtailing public employees' right to collective bargaining. And some are crediting the movement with successfully pressuring Bank of America to drop its plan to charge customers a $5 monthly fee to use their bank cards.

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Associated Press writers Erika Niedowski in Providence, R.I., and Leonard Pallats in Atlanta contributed to this report.

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Speaking to small crowd at a retirement community in Florida on Oct. 4, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney expressed an unsympathetic view of the Occupy Wall Street movement. "I think it's dangerous, this class warfare," he said. Romney declined to comment further when asked about the protests by ABC. His response? "I'm just trying to get myself to occupy the White House."

During a campaign stop in New Hampshire Oct. 10 Romney was a bit more sympathetic. "I worry about the 99 percent in America," he said, later adding, "I understand how those people feel."
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swift goat pet for truth 07:25 PM on 11/17/2011
I disagree with Conservatives who want to blame our economy on the Dems or on Pres Obama.
I also disagree with much of the analysis I see from the professionals.

My take:
Our economy is consumer driven.
Adam Smith (Wealth of Nations - basis for econ 101) says that economies do better when lots of people have lots of money to purchase goods and services.
Economies do less well when lots of  Read More...
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Holly Smoke
Humor is the best defense for absurdity.
05:10 PM on 11/30/2011
OWS trult goes beyond the DEMs. Both parties are proxies of the 1%. America need more fundamental change than just party change. We need a regime change. I just hope the impact will be felt by November 2, 2012
01:24 AM on 12/01/2011
I agree.
The 2-major political parties are just opposite sides of the same coin.
So there's not much choice with only one coin in the race.
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Dolores de Cabeza
Ante up, 1%. No one plays for free.
05:03 PM on 11/30/2011
I agree with OWS: our system is broken and no help will come from either party. Still, it stands to reason that the Occupy Movement will have to engage itself politically at some point. Hopefully, a committed Chomsky-esque leader or a 3rd party will emerge in the near future.

Until then (sigh) I will vote Democrat.
04:41 PM on 11/30/2011
Why no mention of Ron Paul? He's defended OWS as depicted right here in this very site: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/22/ron-paul-says-occupy-wall_n_1108441.html.
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judge jake
04:41 PM on 11/30/2011
Wow this is fantasy land stuff....polling supports their message? contempt for obama? dems and occupy are two different beings....next tell us how the media didnt hump occupy up......just wow....just wow...
04:31 PM on 11/30/2011
Its going to get cold out soon and the OWS people will be gone
natgirrl
If it doesn't make sense, it doesn't make sense
04:45 PM on 11/30/2011
Not in California.
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Nightmelody
Free Now! (20 yrs a fundy.)
04:50 PM on 11/30/2011
OWS is not about the weather and it is not going away as much as the authoritarians wish it too. It may morph (and I think it is) into something even stronger--conviction in the hearts of middle and working class Americans. And the world can change again.
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markpkessinger
10:11 PM on 11/21/2011
>>" 'This is not about politics. This is about people,' said Marsha Spencer, an Occupy volunteer in New York. 'We've lost our government. It's not by the people, for the people anymore. We need to get it back, and we don't need a political party to do that.'

Such talk has frustrated some Democratic leaders, who say engaging in electoral politics would make the Occupy movement more effective.">>"So far, Democrats have tried to have it both ways – embracing the movement's economic concerns while steering clear of its rougher edges."
hatenomor
DO FOR SELF. BLACK SELF DETERMINATION
03:51 PM on 11/21/2011
1. I'll vote Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene, but the
government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn't.

2. I'll vote Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would.

3. I'll vote Democrat because Freedom of Speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.

4. I'll vote Democrat because I'm way too irresponsible to own a gun, and I know that my local police are all I
need to protect me from murderers and thieves.

5. I'll vote Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday can tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don't start driving a Prius.

6. I'll vote Democrat because I think illegal aliens have a right to free health care, education, and Social Security benefits.

7. I'll vote Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need
to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution as the Democrats see fit.

8. I'll vote Democrat because I believe liberal judges need to rewrite the Constitution every few days
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yoursotruly
Youth is Wasted on the Young.
09:38 PM on 11/21/2011
I'm with about 99% of what you say, we can fight over the rest in paradise.
07:46 PM on 11/22/2011
you mean 99% of liberals, right???
fothockey
I love humanity. It's the liberals I don't like.
06:53 PM on 11/22/2011
I hope you can get your tongue out of your cheek after those statements. Pretty funny.
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l78lancer
Wisdom is the principal thing
03:24 PM on 11/19/2011
Occupy Wall Street and the Democrats should remain wary of each other and for good reason. While mutual benefits from an association can be derived, the right shows what happens when a movement joins with a party and coopts it, mestastasizing from the inside out. Likewise it shows what occurs when a party panders to a movement and allows itself to become subjugated to the point that it loses it's direction and control.
07:49 PM on 11/22/2011
i also think, cutting spending, and paying off the debt, sounds so extreme!!! lets spend, and borrow!!!
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05:28 AM on 11/19/2011
P.S. Obama said, "Make me."

We're making him.
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05:25 AM on 11/19/2011
"Obey the law" says Warren. That's nice. And how do you do that when the laws are misused to keep the 99% from even daring so much as to voice an opinion in public... when our so-called representatives are alternately hiding from us or having us dragged out of our own town hall meetings by police the minute we open our mouths to question the wisdom of their votes?

"Obey the law." What law? When corporations and Wall Street can get away with murder, theft and the willful destruction of our property? When the media can broadcast sedition on behalf of the 1% or libel and slander anyone who isn't in the club? When our government can itself ignore the law or rewrite it without the consent of the governed?

When the haves can buy their way out of legal responsibility for their crimes, there is no longer such a thing as law - which is the point the protesters of #OWS are desperately trying to make.

Once our government restores the rule of law and holds those accountable for crimes committed against the people, then you can lecture us about obeying the law.
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04:51 AM on 11/19/2011
Maybe democrats should be asking themselves why supposedly "free" people protesting peacefully in the streets are being brutally attacked by police. I note that there was little concern for the trampling of grassy knolls, jay walking, noise violations, sitting down, blocking streets or sidewalks, occupying city squares when people of foreign countries were demonstrating for economic and social justice. They too were confronted by police and beaten in the streets... and we rushed to their aid.

Why is it so difficult for these same politicians to recognize the rights of its own citizens who are in a similar position as those protesters abroad?

Seems stupid to me that democrats would use unprovoked mass arrests as a justification for maintaining distance from the very Americans they purport to represent.
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RespectMyAuthoritah
Clinton/Warren 2016
09:16 PM on 11/18/2011
Neither party should be trusted.

While the majority of the problems come from the Republicans, the Democrats are equally as morally reprehensible as their GOP counterparts. Both are corrupt and only care about filling their pockets more and more.

It's like Lewis Black once said: "The Republican party is a party of bad ideas. And the Democratic Party is a party of no ideas. The Republicans say 'we're gonna make devise a sh!tty plan' and the Democrats say 'we're gonna take your sh!tty plan and make it even sh!ttier."
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Robert SF
06:09 PM on 11/18/2011
OWS should indeed be wary of the Democrats. The Democrats are no friend of working, middle-class America. For more than 30 years now, they've watched and even joined in and helped Republicans shovel money at the wealthiest through tax cuts, perverse incentives, deregulation, and unquestioned faith in free-marketism. The Democrats are part of the problem.

What the country really needs is a constitutional rewrite in a non-partisan process that excludes all current and former members of Congress.
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05:31 PM on 11/18/2011
"Democrats and Occupy Wall Street share similar concerns about economic inequality."

Democratic rhettoric about income inequality = sweet talk by criminals to trick people into voting for them.

The Democrat executive branch is coordinating the paramilitary attack on OWS protestors, just as they have been going after other snitches. http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2058340,00.html
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corte33
Educator, Musician
03:37 PM on 11/18/2011
Democrats get bought off like everyone else. Why do you think Obama stalled?
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l78lancer
Wisdom is the principal thing
03:30 PM on 11/19/2011
Bought off or scared off.

No guts.