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Egypt Elections: With Ten Days To Go, Thousands Flood Tahrir Square

First Posted: 11/18/11 06:40 AM ET Updated: 11/19/11 12:00 PM ET

CAIRO -- Tens of thousands of people poured into Cairo's Tahrir Square, the site of the original protest movement that brought down Egypt's dictator in February, to express their disaffection with the military council that has governed the country since.

Friday's protest gathering, nearly as large as any since the uprising forced president Hosni Mubarak from office, comes just ten days before Egypt is set to hold its first truly open, democratic elections.

But despite that milestone, the massive event also served as a reminder of how far the country is from the sort of transparent, populist society that seemed deceptively at hand back in February. After nine months of often arbitrary rule by the military, political and religious divides seemed to yield -- if only for a day -- in order to advocate the return of civilian government.

Even the upcoming elections will only result in a popularly selected parliament; the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF) has put off the vote for a president until early 2013.

"Today, we just want to say to the military council, thanks for what you've done, you've made some mistakes, but now you must deliver power to a civilian authority," said Ashraf Abdullah, a forty-year-old English teacher who had travelled an hour and a half to come to Tahrir.

"It is time for elections, and we want the power delivered to the people, whoever the Egyptian people choose."

If the protests on Friday seemed at first glance a repeat of the revolutionary days in February, so much about that moment, and the toppling of Mubarak, seemed turned on its head.

Back in February, protestors -- largely secular and civic minded, but with a healthy contribution of religious Muslims -- had joined hands with a compliant Army to demand the ouster of an autocratic president.

Now, Tahrir was dominated by bearded Muslims in traditional garb, many of them members of a strict religious community known as Salafists, who had come to protest that very same Army, and call for the restoration of a presidency. (The far better known Muslim Brotherhood, also in Tahrir in force, advocates a more moderate vision of Islam's role in government.)

The decision by the Brotherhood and several Salafist groups to take part in Friday's "day of unity" against the Army's rule had forced the hand of liberals and the young revolutionaries, many of whom have been apprehensive about joining forces with the Salafists, but equally wary of ceding to them any remaining political momentum, or the symbolic power of Tahrir.

"The secularists and the Islamists are one hand," an elderly Islamist in a green full length gown said cheerfully, echoing a common refrain from the days of the revolution, when it was frequently said that the people and the Army were "one hand" -- joined in a common purpose.

"I love the Islamists," said Mohamed Mohey, a young liberal activist who said he refuses to align himself with any of the political parties. "If they want to do something, they get it done -- I wish we were half as organized as them. We want the same things they do, but maybe not always the same way. I don't want an Islamic government, but if the people choose it, I can live with it. This is how democracy works."

But even that bonhomie seemed uncertain, or at least unreliable. Sectarian divisions over the past several months have only further added to the sense that Egypt's problems are intractable, and it was hard not to detect deep suspicion when each side spoke about the other.

"The Islamists use religion to get the attention of their people, and to get their vote," said a young poet who gave his name as Ahmed, as he accused the Muslim Brotherhood of backing the Army's rule. "They've already taken over the revolution from us, and now it's started to turn into a bloody, political conflict."

Indeed, if revolutions are ever straightforward -- and with a simple dichotomy between a dictator and the people, this once appeared to be the case -- those days have long come and gone in Egypt.

When asked the question of how far the revolution has progressed, those in Tahrir Friday answered: "The revolution must continue." "The revolution is merely at the end of the beginning." "The revolution has not yet begun."

"It's been muddied since March," said Michael Wahid Hanna, an expert on Egypt's transition at the Century Foundation, referring to the period almost immediately following the fall of Mubarak.

"That's when you got the big dividing line between Islamists and liberals," Hanna said, "and that was when SCAF was able to start interfering, because of the disintegration in the opposition ranks. But when the opposition takes a unified stance, SCAF can't get in the way."

Inevitably, some of the greatest difficulty facing Egypt's transition comes in the mundane form of the vote itself, which is expected to boost the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamist groups, but so far has much of the public confounded by its complexity.

With about ten thousand candidates from dozens of parties, many of which only formed in the past few months, even the most politically engaged Egyptian has struggled to navigate a list-based election process that will take place over several weeks.

On Thursday evening, a walk with a liberal candidate for parliament around the poor Christian neighborhood of Shoubra seemed to confirm this.

As Basem Kamel, a young, cheerful candidate with the Social Democratic party, canvassed the area with his small team of aides handing out flyers, many of his exchanges focused on how, exactly, the voting works.

"We have to do this," Kamel said with a shrug, as he hurried between a mini market and a shoe store. His modest pitch: "I don't care who you vote for, but please get involved in the elections."

After one such conversation, in which several young men complained to Kamel that they were finding the process incomprehensible, one of the men stayed behind to elaborate.

"There are all these people putting themselves up for election, putting banners up over the streets or introducing themselves," said the man, who identified himself as Ehab. "But we don't know anything about them. I am from this area, and one of these people will be my representative in Parliament, but who are they, what do they stand for? For me, this is not what the revolution was about."

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12:49 AM on 11/21/2011
looks like they are having a gay gang bang
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08:33 AM on 11/20/2011
The only way to keep peace is to put a lot of Western money in it, so we on the hook again.
01:07 PM on 11/19/2011
Almost 100 injured in clashes. So it begins.

Islam. The religion of peace eh?
02:09 PM on 11/19/2011
What does this have anything to do with religion? Clashes is between protesters(Muslims AND Christians) and the security forces. Spread your hate somewhere else.
02:42 PM on 11/19/2011
Are u seriously saying religion is not all pervasive in Egypt.

If not why the daily JEWHATE. why the killing of Christians

They hate is all on the Arab side Pally
03:01 PM on 11/19/2011
Ps salafists and the brotherhood will,ruin it for everyone
01:06 PM on 11/19/2011
If the muslum brotherhood did not like how the previous goverment treated them, the are going to like it even less, with the military in charge.

Be carefull what you with for.
12:51 AM on 11/21/2011
payback is sweet
10:25 AM on 11/19/2011
I'm sure that whatever happens liberals will blame the Jews/America/Walmart/Banks
frank1946
Tell the Truth
10:07 AM on 11/19/2011
Is Cable TV available in Cairo now ?

Credit Cards ?

Drive In Food ?

Wal Mart ?
10:20 AM on 11/19/2011
There are many options for satellite tv, there are credit cards, we have drive-ins but even better, all fast food restaurants home deliver, we have Crare Four (French Walmart)...what is your point? Please don't tell me you think we all libe in huts or pyramids and ride camels to work.

Cairo is a huge, metropolitan area. Yes, there is poverty here but also great wealth.
lqw
Justmyopinion
09:35 AM on 11/19/2011
I thought that once Mubarak was gone the Egyptians were going to live happily ever after. What happened ? Reality must have set in.
09:43 AM on 11/19/2011
Reality is that there will be growing pains for the Egyptians as they set up a new government. Just as our government has been evolving over time, so will theirs. Did you really believe Egypt would become a Utopia overnight?
12:26 PM on 11/19/2011
he was being sarcastic jim
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10:15 AM on 11/21/2011
For a old country like Egypt a little change can come over night, problem is they need Western money
Epilef2000
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10:08 AM on 11/19/2011
isn't that what happens every four years in a democracy
celticfireusa
I Am A Limousine Liberal
08:20 AM on 11/19/2011
We know were this is heading....Muslin Brotherhood....
09:41 AM on 11/19/2011
That will be up to the Egyptians, it's their country. It's not up to us to decide for them.
12:27 PM on 11/19/2011
you are one naive little puppy
06:55 AM on 11/19/2011
The shape of things: in Saudi Arabia women are now being forced to cover their EYES.

Islam the religion of tolerance my azzzzzzzzzzz
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A war veteran. Finally retired
06:15 AM on 11/19/2011
The root cause is Israel and its Intelligence organization Mossad. This tit of a tinny terrorist country's criminal rulers is playing their criminal inhalation game even in US what to say of Egypt keeping the entire world as hostage by these assassins.

The world has to think of taking drastic action against it to free the world to breathe fresh air to survive.
06:56 AM on 11/19/2011
Lies are lies and ur one sad little man. Away I go and play with ur Lego and lets the big boys debate
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10:52 PM on 11/20/2011
scottishnpoud, then prove the truth.
09:45 AM on 11/19/2011
You've amply demonstrated through your post that you wouldn't know a fact if it stood right in front of you.
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10:15 AM on 11/19/2011
Jimsoutside, you also wait I too will wait to see who comes out correct.
06:13 AM on 11/19/2011
Maybe we can send OWS there for the winter.
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metmedvid
What you know isn't always what you should know
11:30 AM on 11/19/2011
I'd rather send traitors to democracy, like you, over there.
12:29 PM on 11/19/2011
tsk tsk look at you t he great liberal not being ableto accept dissenting views...the great deomocratic person you are ..lol...hypocrite
02:49 AM on 11/19/2011
This is the beginning of a very long road to democracy for Egyptians. I do wish them well.
09:45 AM on 11/19/2011
Amen.
12:59 AM on 11/21/2011
i dont,,,, they are intolerant nasty racist sexist people
02:03 AM on 11/19/2011
The obama regime stabbed Egypt in the back and now the innocent will suffer while the region goes up in flames. Thanks obama.
09:22 AM on 11/19/2011
While your at it, blame him for global warming. Oh wait, you already blamed Clinton. Too bad your political bias clouds your judgement.
09:34 AM on 11/19/2011
He'll blame Obama for everything, while the guys who own the US government eat his lunch. Another sad little man.
01:02 AM on 11/21/2011
hmmm seems obama is the expert at blaming everyone for everything and taking no responsibility at all....why did this man want to be president again??????
Epilef2000
Cafe Con Leche Party
10:10 AM on 11/19/2011
innocent? I hope you're talking about Americans... you think the "innocent" had prosperity, freedom and liberty in Mubarak's Egypt?
12:30 PM on 11/19/2011
no but he protected the christian minority from these muslim criminal thugs
lqw
Justmyopinion
09:39 PM on 11/18/2011
Why are they protesting ? Mubarack is gone and they are still not happy !..What did they expect for thing to actually get better?
02:04 AM on 11/19/2011
Some people actually believe the lies obama tellls them.
09:36 AM on 11/19/2011
Maybe if you checked for yourself you'd find that it isn't Obama who's doing all the lying. Try it sometime, you just might learn something.
09:28 PM on 11/18/2011
LOL. I find this all funny. They wanted democracy with having CLUE on how it works. They can't even feed themselves much less run ANY kind of government. Just leave them alone and let them do what they do. OH, wait, I know, let the US meddle again in something they know nothing about. STOP all US aid to all the muslim countries and let them rock and roll. When the time comes, they will move to what's left of the EU, which is another LOL bunch of retire at 50, want it all nothings. People starving all over the world an I am supposed to feel sorry for this....We are born, live the best we can, and die. End of story....
12:21 AM on 11/19/2011
Seems they understand democracy well enough to know that the law the military is trying to push will allow the military to UNDERMINE democracy and thus in a sense MAINTAIN the military dictatorship of the country.
06:47 AM on 11/19/2011
the army only demand to have veto power over constitutional change , I think its very reasonable.
the Islamist glee at the possibility of turning sharia into constitution of the state .

instead of improving education ( real , rational education , not religious education) the Islamist want to impose religious education ...

I don't understand progressives who support the "right" of such Islamist to do so ,it goes contrary to what real progressiveness is all about !

I mean , you can read countless posts of alleged "progressives" crying against teaching creationalism instead of evolution but on this thread and others they support much harsher ignorance that the Islamist want to impose as their alleged "right" if the they are "Democraticly" elected to do so ...

democracy is not a one time vote to turn into theocracy ...the same "progressives" hale the "democratic" elections of Hamas into power and this is exactly the same thing that will happen in Egypt as Hamas is a branch of the Muslim brotherhood .
12:32 PM on 11/19/2011
you describing the occupy wall streeters?