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Egypt Elections: Tahrir Square Clashes Raise Fears About Future

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First Posted: 11/19/11 05:06 PM ET Updated: 11/19/11 06:02 PM ET

CAIRO -- Protesters retook control of Tahrir Square late on Saturday after a protracted series of clashes with security officers armed with tear gas and rubber bullets. But as it approached 11:15 p.m. local time, police had begun to move back into the area in force. And rumors ran rampant that police officers from the much detested Ministry of Interior were gathering at various entrances to the square.

Up a side street to the west, in the direction of the Interior Ministry, bouts of rock throwing and tear gas firing continued. There were numerous reports of badly wounded protesters, including at least two who had lost eyes after being hit in the face with rubber bullets.

Late reports put the casualty count at one dead and nearly 700 wounded over the course of the day.

"It's like January 25th all over again," people in Tahrir said repeatedly, hearkening back to the very first clashes of the revolution that unseated Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak -- but not, as it turned out, his system of governance.

Others, noting the swift return of informal security measures and self-protection that took shape in early February, and again this week, called it a repeat of "January 25th, January 28th, and the first few days of February all in one."

For many who came to Tahrir on Saturday, it was another sign of how far the government and security forces are willing to go to sustain the status quo, even with democratic elections in sight.

"I don't care about fake elections," said Ahmed Attar, a 30-year-old activist and telecommunications employee who had rushed down to join the melee after reading about it on Twitter.

"We have to keep fighting for the revolution," Attar said. "We have to take the risks and accept what comes back. This revolution is not just happening online; it is in line."

Hossam el-Hamalawy, a prominent labor organizer who found himself caught up in the tear gas and rock throwing on Saturday, described the scene as one that had taken place occasionally since February and a sign that the revolution had not yet taken hold.

"These clashes aren't going to overthrow the system," he said, "but they're mobilizing the people again, and they're an important deterrence against the police. The security forces are the main threat the regime has against us, and we always need to send a message to them that we are not afraid."

For the past several months, ever since the fall of Mubarak, Egypt has been ruled by a military council, which has repeatedly stumbled over its own promises to restore civilian power and has engaged in abuses reminiscent of those during the Mubarak era. The vote that is due to begin on Nov. 28 would only select a parliament. The election of a new president, with true constitutional powers, has been delayed until early 2013.

Still, as it became increasingly clear that conservative religious groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood and parties from the extremist Salafist Muslim movement were likely to fare well in the vote, the Egyptian army used public fears about the interruption of civic society to justify those abuses -- while simultaneously playing a double game, crushing dissent from leftist and Christian movements.

Any accord with the military council began to break down on Friday, when Islamists and secular liberals joined forces in one of the largest protests since Mubarak's ouster to demand the end of martial law.

By Saturday night, after the army stood by while police forces attacked civilians, the army's reputation was in tatters, and the impending elections, like the revolution itself, seemed increasingly at risk.

"I can't describe my feelings about this," said Raied Salama, a senior official in the liberal Social Democratic party, who had put his campaigning on hold to come down to Tahrir. "As one of my colleagues said, the January 25th feelings are all back. I cannot say if that is a good thing or not. You recall the memories of the 25th, and you feel happy for what we accomplished, but given everything Egypt has passed through since then, I am very worried."

How far the message of Tahrir carries among the general public, which has grown exceedingly worn down from the months of unrest, is difficult to say.

On television, the Egyptian government responded to today's clashes with a flurry of propagandistic messages, characterizing the protesters as "baltagiyas" (pro-regime thugs) and destroyers of the reputation of the original movement.

At one point, according to several Twitter users monitoring state TV, broadcasters compared the actions of the police and military council to American police confronting Occupy Wall Street and suggested that the West had justified its use of force.

As midnight approached in Cairo, with several thousand people in the square and more arriving in droves, there seemed to be little indication that anyone was going home soon.

Follow Joshua Hersh on Twitter at @joshuahersh for updates and the latest on the upcoming elections in Egypt.

Read earlier dispatches from Cairo on HuffPost World.

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Protesters and Egyptian riot police face off in Tahrir Square in Cairo, Egypt, Saturday, Nov. 19, 2011. Egyptian riot police beat protesters and dismantled a small tent city set up to commemorate revolutionary martyrs in Cairo's Tahrir Square on Saturday. The clashes occurred after activists camped in the central square overnight following a massive Friday rally. The military tolerates daytime demonstrations in the central square, a symbol of the country's Jan. 25-Feb. 11 uprising, but claims that long-term occupation paralyzes the city. (AP)
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CAIRO -- Protesters retook control of Tahrir Square late on Saturday after a protracted series of clashes with security officers armed with tear gas and rubber bullets. But as it approached 11:15 p.m.
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10:50 AM on 11/21/2011
Why be fearful? The hardliner Muslims will soon be in control like so many of the other domino's.
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12:35 AM on 11/21/2011
Im sure this will be hapening soon in the USA ,The plan of those who say a few will b*t*h but the masses will roll over and take it will see this in the future.
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knightoftheroundtable
Old Knight without porfolio or armor
07:19 PM on 11/20/2011
The more things change the more they stay the same. Sadly.
cdterm47
I am poor because I am a River to my People
01:18 PM on 11/20/2011
Apparently, the OWS crowd, Media Matter apologists, and the usual fanatics, are avoiding this HP article like a vampire avoids a cross. I can only imagine that they have none of their usual "one liners" to address the facts and perspectives posted for this article. We know they never let the absence of facts stop them from bizarre comments. I assume that they recognize anything said would be futile.
cdterm47
I am poor because I am a River to my People
12:38 PM on 11/20/2011
Not much to go on regarding this article. Apparently, an alliance has been made between the seculars & fanatic Muslims to denounce military control. Apparently, the seculars are very worried about Muslim Brotherhood's influence with the military-- i.e Egypt regresses into an Iranian fanatic Muslim/Sharia dominated theocracy. The Muslim theocracy specter portends genocide of minorities and an Egypt aligned with Iran not the United States. SO MUCH FOR ARAB SPRING!!! We promoted a movement for which we had /have no idea of the outcome though it appears to be going fanatic Muslim. Should this happen, Obama & Hillary have consummated another foreign policy defeat for the United States.
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Tony Moschetti
12:22 PM on 11/20/2011
"Cairo Clashes Raise Fears About Egypt's Future"

Aren't many now raising these fears, the same ones who mocked Glenn Beck for doing it 12-18 months ago! And mocked him when he warned about the "secular" Muslim Brotherhood! And mocked him when he warned about the phony "Arab Spring" from the very beginning! And mocked him when he said the Communists (American Unions) would join the radical Islamists there to overthrow Mubarak.
cdterm47
I am poor because I am a River to my People
12:43 PM on 11/20/2011
Tony Moschetti

Thanks for bringing up Beck when he was hitting on all cylinders and doing so such prescient comments by him were attacked m, berated, and ignored by the liberal media outlets. Worse are the Beck detractors who really did not have the brains to recognize some very wise and insightful perspectives on the issue.
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Tony Moschetti
01:56 PM on 11/20/2011
Absolutely my friend. I learned more history from Beck than in 16 years of school!
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ZaneDavid
12:45 PM on 11/20/2011
The harshness of reality is a bitter pill for lib/progressives. As for "Mocking" Beck,
they had no choose - the truth had too be silenced. So far, everything he has said
is coming true.....and they don't like it.
cdterm47
I am poor because I am a River to my People
12:52 PM on 11/20/2011
Zane David

Beck said a whole lot more on a whole lot of other issues. When he was rolling he was right. To bad he was marginalized by Soros and the radical left. Even now, you try to support Beck on HP you get obstacles. Beck, Coulter, and Arpaio appear to be HP's "special" people for assigning "special" moderators.
Muse1876
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01:14 PM on 11/20/2011
The left will continue to attack anyone who doesn't agree with them verbatim. BE#k has been right on so many fronts. F&F
11:34 AM on 11/20/2011
Looks like the Military may have been in charge even before Mubarak left and were just looking for an excuse to take total control. Probably the same in Syria where Assad may not be in actual control.
11:28 AM on 11/20/2011
Islamic brotherhood and radical Muslims are behind this demonstrations.They want to create unrest and anarchy to scare every one and give a warning for the military transitional rulers what will happen in the country if they don't win the next election. Islamic state like Iran will be created in Egypt once this Islamic militants win the assembly and the presidency where Islam will be the rule of law and the minorities like Christians and women will be treated as a second grade citizens that have no rights. This demonstrations is not about liberty or democracy but about a show of force by this Islamic militants and groups.
12:06 PM on 11/20/2011
Thanks to Obama setting the stage for it - when he demanded the Muslim Brotherhood to be in attendance for his speech in Cairo, Egypt - addressing the Arab and Muslim world - in April 2009 -

forcing President Mubarak to allow The Muslim Brotherhood into Egypt - when they had been banned for DECADES because of their vicious Acts of Terrorism.
Muse1876
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01:18 PM on 11/20/2011
I guess O's percieved "charisma" doesn't work on terrorists. What makes him think he can change a culture?
Muse1876
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01:33 PM on 11/20/2011
I wonder how O will feel when Shria law goes into effect? Many times what you had, even though not perfect, is better than what you end up with. I wonder who councils him? Rev. Wright, Saul Alynski or Bill Ayers.
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Joe L Cascio
Rastus
11:23 AM on 11/20/2011
Egypt will fall due to the Muslim Brotherhood along with the other muslim terrorists that are trying to create a terrorist state.
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DAE
11:21 AM on 11/20/2011
Hmmm. We've spent decades trying to isolate the military government of Myanmar (aka Burma) imposing sanctions and a diplomatic embargo but have been giving the equally repressive Egyptian government billions and billions of dollars and have feted their rulers over the same period of time.
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jimfurl179
Figures don't lie, but liars can figure
11:18 AM on 11/20/2011
This violence will not only play out in Egypt, but will soon spread to at least Libya and Syria and other ME Countries. Islamic Fundamentalists must be laughing at us for our "help" in allowing them to take over these Countries. Thanks President Obama.
Muse1876
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01:21 PM on 11/20/2011
He sure did earn his Nobel Peace prize! NOT
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11:03 AM on 11/20/2011
Upon leaving the office of the Presidency of the United States of America, the decorated Army General and former President, Dwight D Eisenhower's FAREWELL ADDRESS as President in 1961 to incoming President, John F. Kennedy.

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquistion of UNWARRANTED INFLUENCE, whether southt of unsought, by the MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. The potential for the disastrous rise of MISPLACE POWER EXISTS AND WILL PERSIST. We must NEVER let the weight of this combination ENDANGER OUR LIBERTIES OR THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESSES. We should take nothing for granted."

An honored decorated and respected Army General and President warning the nation and JFK of
the dangers of outside interest...military industrial complex.......50 years ago!!!

War is a racket!
10:55 AM on 11/20/2011
This Occupy Wall Street crowd, that Obama endorsed at the outset, appears to be very similar to the scenes from the Middle East. For a guy who was always critical of President Bush's so called "Nation Building," Obama has injected himself into 4 more civil wars in the last year...Is this what he hopes for America, in order to draw attention away from his abject and total failure as President??? Hmmmmm...
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Joe L Cascio
Rastus
11:25 AM on 11/20/2011
Why isn't obama, biden , pelosi and reid at the OWS rallies???? Afraid they'll get shot or head lice.
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ZaneDavid
12:48 PM on 11/20/2011
it would be "head lice".
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Conuly
11:54 AM on 11/20/2011
Wait, I'm sorry. The US has had hundreds of wounded in one day because of OWS? When did THIS happen?
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wom122
Primum non nocere
10:44 AM on 11/20/2011
700 wounded in one day! Where is the Arab League? Well, perhaps they are too busy celebrating "their" victory in Libya and sanctioning Syria in order to "protect" its civilians.
10:37 AM on 11/20/2011
Leave it to Obama to mess up another Country...Mubarik was a friend of the U.S. and Israel, and the only Arab Country to have a peace agreement with Israel. Enter Obama, who publicly calls for Mubarik to step down, which gave the Muslim Brotherhood the opening to start the riots and eventual overthrow of Mubarik. Now the Military is in charge and friendly toward the Muslim Brotherhood, which will probably win in the elections and create another "friend" for Iran....What a stupid move by the Obama Regime...