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Mayan 2012 Prophesy: Mexico Finds Second Reference Among Ruins

2012 Mayans

By MARK STEVENSON   11/24/11 07:55 PM ET   AP

MEXICO CITY -- Mexico's archaeology institute downplays theories that the ancient Mayas predicted some sort of apocalypse would occur in 2012, but on Thursday it acknowledged that a second reference to the date exists on a carved fragment found at a southern Mexico ruin site.

Most experts had cited only one surviving reference to the date in Mayan glyphs, a stone tablet from the Tortuguero site in the Gulf coast state of Tabasco.

But the National Institute of Anthropology and History said in a statement that there is in fact another apparent reference to the date at the nearby Comalcalco ruin. The inscription is on the carved or molded face of a brick. Comalcalco is unusual among Mayan temples in that it was constructed of bricks.

Arturo Mendez, a spokesman for the institute, said the fragment of inscription had been discovered years ago and has been subject to thorough study. It is not on display and is being kept in storage at the institute.

The "Comalcalco Brick," as the second fragment is known, has been discussed by experts in some online forums. Many still doubt that it is a definite reference to Dec. 21, 2012 or Dec. 23, 2012, the dates cited by proponents of the theory as the possible end of the world.

"Some have proposed it as another reference to 2012, but I remain rather unconvinced," David Stuart, a specialist in Mayan epigraphy at the University of Texas at Austin, said in a message to The Associated Press.

Stuart said the date inscribed on the brick "'is a Calendar Round,' a combination of a day and month position that will repeat every 52 years."

The brick date does coincide with the end of the 13th Baktun; Baktuns were roughly 394-year periods and 13 was a significant, sacred number for the Mayas. The Mayan Long Count calendar begins in 3114 B.C., and the 13th Baktun ends around Dec. 21, 2012.

But the date on the brick could also correspond to similar dates in the past, Stuart said.

"There's no reason it couldn't be also a date in ancient times, describing some important historical event in the Classic period. In fact, the third glyph on the brick seems to read as the verb huli, "he/she/it arrives."

"There's no future tense marking (unlike the Tortuguero phrase), which in my mind points more to the Comalcalco date being more historical that prophetic," Stuart wrote.

Both inscriptions – the Tortuguero tablet and the Comalcalco brick – were probably carved about 1,300 years ago and both are cryptic in some ways.

The Tortuguero inscription describes something that is supposed to occur in 2012 involving Bolon Yokte, a mysterious Mayan god associated with both war and creation.

However, erosion and a crack in the stone make the end of the passage almost illegible, though some read the last eroded glyphs as perhaps saying, "He will descend from the sky."

The Comalcalco brick is also odd in that the molded or inscribed faces of the bricks were probably laid facing inward or covered with stucco, suggesting they were not meant to be seen.

The Institute of Anthropology and History has long said rumors of a world-ending or world-changing event in late December 2012 are a Westernized misinterpretation of Mayan calendars.

The institute repeated Thursday that "western messianic thought has twisted the cosmovision of ancient civilizations like the Maya."

The institute's experts say the Mayas saw time as a series of cycles that began and ended with regularity, but with nothing apocalyptic at the end of a given cycle.

Given the strength of Internet rumors about impending disaster in 2012, the institute is organizing a special round table of 60 Mayan experts next week at the archaeological site of Palenque, in southern Mexico, to "dispel some of the doubts about the end of one era and the beginning of another, in the Mayan Long Count calendar."

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MaxHeadroom
My Karma ran over my dogma.
10:32 AM on 12/05/2011
Party like it's 1999....
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ChangeNow
Information over indignation
07:00 AM on 12/05/2011
It reallly cheeses me off that December 2012 is the month when I will finally be out of debt. Just my luck.
01:33 AM on 12/05/2011
I wonder why the Mayans couldn't predict their own downfall?!
10:13 PM on 12/20/2011
Who knows ... maybe they did and we just aren't aware of it.
Rexter
Question everything.
09:21 AM on 12/03/2011
January 2013, I'll be sitting down doing my taxes. Some other doomsday prophecy will replace the debunked Mayan 2012 one. A new family will have taken up residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.The airwaves will already be jammed with predictions from pundits on the 2016 presidential race, and we'll all be back to worrying about the economy, the armageddon for some, and ET's invading the earth for others. Life will go on as usual.
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11:59 AM on 12/02/2011
By the way, apocalypse doesn't mean the end of the world, means a revelation, possibly the end of the world as we know it and a new beginning, beside all that is just a christian bull, just to strengthen the apocalypse in the bible, nothing more.
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terry63
treasure hunter.
08:20 PM on 12/04/2011
The bible, Teaches that the apocalypse , is not the end of the world, but is the beginning of a new Millenium. They shall beat their swords into plow shears and their spears into pruning hooks.But before this takes place a great tribulation period will befall the world. Its not hard to see. Look at the world. You have seen this before in your history books.
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MaxHeadroom
My Karma ran over my dogma.
10:44 AM on 12/05/2011
If you are referring to "Revalations", then you also know that it has not always been a real book of the bible throughout history, but recently included and stressed by the religious factions to further promote fear into "the rubes" to keep thim in line by including a fear base myth.

I personally prefer Edith Hamilton's book on "Mythology" myself: It doesn't scare the heck out of young children, and gullible adults as well.
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04:15 PM on 12/11/2011
Is an scary view, don't you think? I would like better the movie Peter Pan.
01:18 PM on 12/01/2011
Time to get out our chisels to start making the 14th Baktun calendar. Wonder if this interest in the Mayan calendar will make it to 2406? I bet our "civilization" won't be here then either.
05:47 PM on 11/30/2011
Is it an Alien Invaion????????????
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MaxHeadroom
My Karma ran over my dogma.
10:35 AM on 12/05/2011
No. The distinct possibilty of a Newt Gingrich Presidency and a Tea Bag/Republican majority in the House and Senate running this country if the American people don't wake up.

G0d help us all.....
09:47 AM on 12/07/2011
It really drives me nuts that people make pithy partisan references to the failed US political system, when this article has nothing to do with that American political trash.
But then again... government is the God of the Atheist.
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jhnnxn
Won't say it face to face? Don't post it online!
03:12 PM on 11/30/2011
It makes perfect sense that a bunch of stone age people would know more about today than we do.
02:58 PM on 11/30/2011
People never tire of predicting the end of the earth. Some need that constant drama when the Kardassians aren't on. So do you think it will stop happening after 2013? Of course not since some people never learn.. Much like religion, bigfoot, ufo's, etc.... Belief is not enough...
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ProudToBeVeryLiberal
Science is the antidote to the poison of religion
10:44 PM on 11/29/2011
Prophesy?

Really?

OMG, do Tea_Party members volunteer as HP editors?
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vidian6
Consultant with hard advice
03:02 AM on 11/30/2011
I'm begining to wonder.
09:36 AM on 12/07/2011
partisan hack
08:56 PM on 11/29/2011
20 million Mayans mysteriously disappeared in southern mexico. they left unfinished temples behind. no mass graves were ever found !
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maxom
Just flew over the coo coo's nest
09:18 PM on 11/29/2011
You don't suppose they "flew" away in a space craft?
02:59 PM on 11/30/2011
There couldn't be any other plausible explanation unless bigfoot ate them...
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jhnnxn
Won't say it face to face? Don't post it online!
03:12 PM on 11/30/2011
I bet Mexico smelled really bad for a while.....
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maxom
Just flew over the coo coo's nest
08:09 PM on 11/29/2011
No new comments???...This must be an exciting subject.
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ramman
04:09 PM on 11/29/2011
When the earth is still here on 22nd, 23rd, 24 ... and so on and so forth of Dec 2012 it will destroy more myths like this. Look at the end result of the preacher man who claimed the end of the world was to be on a certain date in which we are now months past that date. The sad part is this wasn't his first time to pull one over on gullible people with this same claim. One thing certainly happened once he announced this claim and that is he got lots of money to flow in for his cause. What about the sad people who sold and left everything behind, closed their bank accounts out and are left with no home for their children to grow up in. There will no doubt be a similar blown out of proportion hype to follow as the time gets closer and closer to this Mayan date. Many will try and manipulate and gain from the hysteria to come and I bet you my pay check that it will even be used in the political arena to make people afraid also, I don't even need to say by whom because it goes without saying.
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Epilef2000
Cafe Con Leche Party
09:39 PM on 11/29/2011
Bolan Yokte, the god of war and creation, is reference to the 2012 end of world myth, its seems most people forget the "creation" part. Cataclysmic events occur and from what little I've read, the Maya's believed in cyclical times, and this is just another end to one cycle, and another one will begin--but something may happen like a freak snowstorm, earthquake, hurricane or any other natural phenomena that happen every year, which they same conspiracy theorist will just to justify the "earth ending" predictions...and say its was only a mis-interpreted and wash their hands--meanwhile many are cashing in.
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grassisland100
life is serious but you can't take it seriously.
02:46 PM on 11/29/2011
Mayans believed in a cosmic shift or realignment I would prefer to call it a time to make preparations for the fall of man due to greed, etc. Man will never conquer these vices within himself. I think the Mayans and many people of faith today wait for a cosmic reckoning that will put the scare into them to behave more justly. If we are alone then we are done.
03:06 PM on 11/30/2011
Then we are alone but I disagree about being done. Humanity will ultimately spread like a plague across the universe unless the intergalactic pest exterminators get to us first to protect the higher consciousness beings.
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omobob
left coast, usa
02:20 PM on 11/29/2011
There is only one continuous culture on the Planet who can still read and interpret cave drawings and symbols fromr 30,000 years ago. They are the Aborigines of Australia. Current historians and archeologists are giving us their best guess. But they are countless other conclusions to be reached form the data presented. Unfortunately other conclusions will not wind up on "Ancient Astronauts" nor "Aliens’ helped the stupid humans to build the pyramids". 

Historical anti human revisionism at worst, poor speculation based on suppositions and guess work at best.