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Occupy Philly: Deadline Passes For Protesters To Dismantle

Occupy Philly Deadline Passes

KATHY MATHESON and GEOFF MULVIHILL   11/27/11 11:44 PM ET   AP

PHILADELPHIA — A deadline set by the city for Occupy Philadelphia to leave the site where it has camped for some two months passed without scuffles or arrests Sunday as police watched and protesters sang and spoke of their dreams – while some prepared for the possibility of arrest.

The scene outside City Hall was far different from encampments in other cities where pepper spray, tear gas and police action resulted in the removal of long-situated demonstrators since the movement against economic disparity and perceived corporate greed began with Occupy Wall Street in Manhattan two months ago.

Occupy Philadelphia has managed to avoid aggressive confrontations so far, and on Sunday night there was hope the City of Brotherly Love would continue to be largely violence-free.

"Right now, we have a peaceful demonstration," said Philadelphia Police Chief Inspector Joe Sullivan, nearly 45 minutes after the 5 p.m. deadline. By 11 p.m., the crowd had thinned a bit, but the calm remained.

Along the steps leading into a plaza, about 50 people sat in lines with the promise that they would not leave unless they were carried out by authorities. For a time, they linked arms. But as it seemed that a forceful ouster was not imminent, they relaxed a bit. A police presence was heavier than usual but no orders to leave had been issued.

A few dozen tents remained scattered on the plaza, along with trash, piles of dirty blankets and numerous signs reading, "You can't evict an idea."

Several hundred supporters surrounded those who were prepared to face arrest for one of the Occupy movement meetings known as a general assembly.

The meeting started out with logistics – making sure those sitting in had quarters to make calls from jail and that someone was gathering important medical information – but it soon turned to big ideas.

The protesters described their many hopes for a better world. Among them: reparations for slavery and Native American lands, better and more inspiring schools, recognizing gay marriage, and end to homelessness, fewer TVs and better pay for artists. Some of those who spoke with hope and joined in rendition of "Lean on Me," had goggles with them, just in case pepper spray is used.

There was a sense that the occupation in front of Philadelphia's Gothic-style City Hall would soon be over, but hope that the movement would last.

"This is just baby steps," said R.W. Dennen, who said he felt a bit guilty that he wasn't preparing to be arrested.

Elsewhere on the East Coast, eight people were arrested in Maine after protesters in the Occupy Augusta encampment in Capitol Park took down their tents and packed their camping gear after being told to get a permit or move their shelters.

Protesters pitched tents Oct. 15 as part of the national movement but said Sunday they shouldn't have to get a permit to exercise their right to assemble. Occupy leaders said a large teepee loaned by the Penobscot Indians and a big all-weather tent would stay up.

The Augusta arrests came when police say people jumped a waist-high, wooden fence on the governor's mansion lawn and some climbed a portico to the building and unfurled an Occupy banner. As many as 50 protesters, some holding signs and beating a drum, gathered near the Blaine House gates.

In Los Angeles, another deadline was getting closer, too, for hundreds of demonstrators to abandon their weeks-old Occupy Los Angeles protest.

Although city officials have told protesters they must leave and take their nearly 500 tents with them by 12:01 a.m. Monday, just a handful were seen packing up Sunday.

Instead, some passed out fliers containing the city seal and the words: "By order of Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, this notice terminates your tenancy and requires you to attend the Occupy L.A. Eviction Block Party," which the fliers' said was scheduled for 12:01 a.m.

Others attended teach-ins on resistance tactics, including how to stay safe should police begin firing rubber bullets or breaking out tear gas canisters and pepper spray.

Back in Philadelphia, Steve Venus was fortifying the area around his tent with abandoned wood pallets left over from those who had already packed up. He said the $50 million construction project, including a planned ice skating rink, was not a good enough reason for Occupy Philadelphia to leave the plaza.

Venus, 22, said that by enforcing the deadline, the city was essentially telling Occupy supporters "your issues are not important. The only issue that's important is the ice skating rink."

On Friday, Mayor Michael Nutter expressed support for the movement's ideals but said protesters must make room for the long-planned project, which they were told of when they set up camp Oct. 6.

Nutter was out of town Sunday, but his spokesman reiterated that "people are under orders to move."

The mayor himself had an exchange on Twitter with hip-hop impresario Russell Simmons, who asked Nutter "to remember this is a non-violent movement – please show restraint tonight."

Nutter's response: "I agree."

Members of the governing body of Occupy Philadelphia, the general assembly, previously approved a move to a plaza across the street after union officials stressed the hundreds of jobs being created by the Dilworth reconstruction. But that vote mistakenly assumed protesters would be able to pitch tents there.

Graffiti, lack of sanitation and fire hazards, including smoking in tents, were among the city's chief concerns at Dilworth, which had about 350 tents at the height of the movement. The encampment also attracted significant numbers of homeless, although the plaza had long been frequented by that population even before the camp was established.

The city did issue a permit to an Occupy Philadelphia faction called Reasonable Solutions that planned to continue demonstrating across the street beginning Monday. However, activities are limited to between 9 a.m. and 7 p.m., and no overnight camping is allowed.

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Associated Press Writers Andrew Dalton in Los Angeles and Glenn Adams in Augusta, Maine, contributed to this story.

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PHILADELPHIA — A deadline set by the city for Occupy Philadelphia to leave the site where it has camped for some two months passed without scuffles or arrests Sunday as police watched and protes...
PHILADELPHIA — A deadline set by the city for Occupy Philadelphia to leave the site where it has camped for some two months passed without scuffles or arrests Sunday as police watched and protes...
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07:59 PM on 11/30/2011
shared from my disap.org post: https://diasp.org/posts/489737

Occupy Vacation Time!

Philly Police Use Horses, Move Protesters http://huff.to/sumD9n Cowboys use horses to move cattle & sheep That's what they think you are.

#ows #police #horse #protest #occupy @Philly

PS

I've already sent New York City tourism department a letter letting them know we are canceling our trip to New York City which we had planned for 2012.

"We are canceling our trip due to New York City's treatment of our political brothers and sisters in the #ows movement. We're not going to spend money in a city that bashes our heads in, beats us with batons, sprays us with pepper spray and/or tazes us."

Looks like we'll be sending a similar letter to Philly stating it is out of considerations for a tourist visit by my wife and I.
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01:30 PM on 11/29/2011
I refuse to pay this ticket. I wasn't parking illegally -- I was just Occupying East Market Street.
08:04 PM on 11/30/2011
read the US Constitution. There's a difference between assembly for a redress of grievances from the Government and parking your car. Try to keep up with the United States basic Bill of Rights. As a citizen that's the least you could, no wait, remaining ignorant is the least thing you've done.
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09:41 PM on 11/30/2011
There's a big difference between assembly for redress and camping illegally on public property, causing disruption of you fellow citizens' lives and leaving the place a filthy mess. I suggest you read the Constitution, since you obviously have no idea what civic responsibility is all about, no wait, you'd rather remain an ignoramus.
07:39 PM on 11/28/2011
Oh Je sus, I just thought these vagr ants were camping out until the Eagles win a game.... OOOpppsss.........
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03:57 PM on 11/28/2011
Rather than move them out and risk violence, Philly should put a fence around Dilworth to keep the OWS campers in.
07:39 PM on 11/28/2011
Then na pal m it.....
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12:22 PM on 11/28/2011
When I put the news on this morning in Los Angeles where the mayor had giving a deadline of 12:01 as the time the OCCUPY camp would be eligal, by 6: 00 A M the press was out like hungry wolfs asking the police why they have not gone is and removed the campers by force, where they planning to use billy clubs tear gas or what. It made it seem like these so call reporters where upset they could not be in the lime light reporting humans being beaten by police. Repoters are a sick breed looking for human suffering so they can get their five minutes of the screen, never mind the suffering nad chaos that would of happen if the L A police acts like the reporters want them to act (show them blood).
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SteveC 1979
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12:00 PM on 11/28/2011
These guys have some valid points...but they really lose me when they ask for things like slavery reparations and better pay for artists. Oh and of course...fewer TVs.
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wollstonecraft
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08:19 AM on 11/28/2011
The OWS movement has brought attention to the problems of corporate control of our government, the increasing hoarding of wealth by the Wall Street/megacorporation/ultrarich crowd. The protests have been a good point of departure for other kinds of activism. The movement's activists may not have offered specific solutions until now, but they've performed an invaluable service by drawing attention to what's going on. I suggest to them that they study Gandhi very carefully, and adopt some of his tactics. I realize that some specifics of our situation now are different from India's during Gandhi's time, but OWS activists could learn much from Gandhi. They could apply some of his tactics to their activism.
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Miranda Wrietz
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03:31 AM on 11/28/2011
I find it rather ironic that this taking place across the street from the Independence Hall, where the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were signed. The city should does not have the right to require any permit for the freedom to assemble.OWS protestors should be given an alternative site to Dilworth, and there is plenty of room across the street, Shame on you Philadelphia, you are the former capital of the USA and you should respect the rights of our People. Ben Franklin would call you cowards.
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11:32 AM on 11/28/2011
Miranda, I support OWS and my daughter is at Dilworth Plaza right now. But Independence hall is between 5th and 6th streets; City Hall is a Broad (which would be 14th, if numbered.) Just a little geography lesson. Your point is still good.
11:42 AM on 11/28/2011
The law is the law. You can't have anarchy...But they are being provided a place to speak their mind...Where is the problem?
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Serina Cox
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03:12 AM on 11/28/2011
Babysitting all these OWS lazies is occupying the police, who could be doing much more important things. Some city governments don't even want to enforce the law, and arrest the people illegally protesting and distroying public property, and breaking other laws as well.
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06:35 AM on 11/28/2011
How does thinking like your's start?
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Studiorion
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09:54 AM on 11/28/2011
It starts with an "F" then leads to an "O" and finally, an "X"
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Serina Cox
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04:37 PM on 11/28/2011
My thinking starts by opening my ears to listen to the facts of what's going on, instead of the dribble that CNN and other left wing media tell you. What's wrong with law breakers being arrested for breaking the law? If they were teaparty protesters they'd all get jailed, I'm sure.
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11:36 AM on 11/28/2011
I've been to both OWS in Zuccotti and Dilworth in Philly. Plus I worked on the mall in DC where most Washington protests take place, so I have a reference point for civil disobedience, which I doubt most of the posters here have. There are none of the problems you are talking about. No smell - except from the nearby subway - no lawbreaking.... in fact I've been to parades that had much more offensive behavior going on and the police didn't do anything about those people. Trashing and tearing up the city because your sports team won? Oh, but that's totally red-blooded American.
03:03 AM on 11/28/2011
The American people have the right to protest as stated in the first amendment. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." To deny anyone these rights are completely unconstitutional and completely UN-AMERICAN.
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Serina Cox
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03:16 AM on 11/28/2011
Then I guess I'll get on a jet plane and yell bomb, and say it's my freedom of speech. Will you stand by me then Doc Jones? They have a right to free speech, but not to the unsanitary conditions they're creating. Or the distruction of public and private property, or creating a fire hazard. Laws against those things should be enforced
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08:13 AM on 11/28/2011
Has anybody calculated how much these 'protesters' are costing ordinary everyday tax payers?
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Saint Cynicism
01:19 PM on 11/28/2011
Considering the Supreme Court ruled quite a while back that Freedom of Speech doesn't apply to "shouting "fire" in a crowded theater," I'd say only the uneducated and far-right wingnuts would stand by you. The usual company, from the look of that post.
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YakittyGirl
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12:40 AM on 11/28/2011
"Among them: reparations for slavery and Native American lands, better and more inspiring schools, recognizing gay marriage, and end to homelessness, fewer TVs and better pay for artists."

Some of these ideas are great and some not so much but I still haven't seen any ideas on HOW. Who doesn't want more inspiring schools and an end to homelessness but I've got to ask where the money would come from. I do have a simple solution to the TV issue. If TVs bother you, don't buy one. There, that's one item taken care of. I'd like to hear something specific on how to solve the others and where the money would come from.
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gerimd
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03:07 AM on 11/28/2011
"I've got to ask where the money would come from."

Same place it's coming from for tear gas, pepper spray and $millions for police overtime.
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Saint Cynicism
01:21 PM on 11/28/2011
God forbid we give military spending a little trim-down. Hell, we don't even have to cut out the massive graft. Just deciding NOT to buy just one F-22 Raptor interceptor is a savings of $150 million right on the spot.
12:13 AM on 11/28/2011
I wish Frank Rizzo was still mayor of Philly, that OWS nonsense would be over day one in that city!
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Spiggy
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12:20 AM on 11/28/2011
Yeah okay. And if Unicorns crapped rainbow Sherbert we would all be living in peace....but guess what....It is not going to happen.
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catgale1123
Loves Philly cheestesteaks,guns and Obama
11:59 AM on 11/28/2011
Rizzo? why not pray for the crack epidemic to return in full affect while your at it
10:18 PM on 11/27/2011
These people should go home and donate money to the 2012 campaign of Barack Obama, the current bankster puppet for whom 99% of them voted in 2008.
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11:05 PM on 11/27/2011
thats an awful idea
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catgale1123
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12:00 PM on 11/28/2011
Right, if you voted for Obama you apparently deserve to die, I get it, I get what your trying to say, just endorse your candidate and leave at that.
08:21 PM on 11/27/2011
This is a diversionary tactic by the city. "Oh you can move right across the street" READ THE FINE PRINT: only during the day.