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Jay Carney On Triggered Cuts To Defense Spending: 'There Is No Wiggle Room'

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First Posted: 11/28/11 02:54 PM ET Updated: 11/29/11 08:14 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- White House Press Secretary Jay Carney categorically dismissed on Monday the idea that the president would change the construction of the cuts triggered by the super committee's failure to make them more lenient on defense spending.

"Congress voted to impose this sequester to hold its own feet to the fire, to get it to act," said Carney. "To suggest that they should undo what they did just a few months ago, to declare to the world as they did when they held this vote on the Budget Control Act -– 'We are going to hold ourselves responsible' -- and then a few months later say 'never mind,' that's not acceptable."

A day earlier, super committee member Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) had argued that the sequester came with wiggle room, despite President Barack Obama's threat to veto efforts to lessen its blow. The White House, Toomey said, may insist that a total of $1.2 trillion in cuts take place as a result of the super committee failing to reach an agreement. But it might be open to decreasing the $600 billion of those cuts set to come from the defense budget in favor of cutting more elsewhere.

This, too, has been the suspicion of Democrats on the Hill who find it difficult to imagine that the president would stand by deep defense budget cuts during an election year and worry that programs like Medicare will end up being gutted further instead. But on Monday, Carney tried to end that chatter.

"Changing it is undoing it," he said. "The whole purpose of the design of the sequester was to make it so onerous for everybody that it would never come to pass. To change it so that it is not so onerous only relieves pressure on Congress. And obviously Congress needs an immense amount of pressure to get positive things done."

"The president made clear that the sequester should remain in place," he added. "Congress passed a law holding itself responsible and accountable and they should do the right thing to get it done. So there is no wiggle room."

There was, notably, no use of the word "veto" in Carney's statement. But his language was fairly adamant and specific. Obama, in the end, is in the driver's seat on this particular issue. For starters, Republicans voted for this specific sequester. Moreover, if Congress does not approve changes to the trigger, Obama's preferred outcome takes place. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has expressed his own concerns with the defense cuts. But on Monday, Carney said he was "sure" that president and Panetta have discussed those reservations.

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WASHINGTON -- White House Press Secretary Jay Carney categorically dismissed on Monday the idea that the president would change the construction of the cuts triggered by the super committee's failure ...
WASHINGTON -- White House Press Secretary Jay Carney categorically dismissed on Monday the idea that the president would change the construction of the cuts triggered by the super committee's failure ...
 
 
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TheHandyman 07:00 PM on 11/28/2011
If Congress and the President weren't such tools of the propaganda of the defense contractors and the conservative ideology what they would do is cut all of it from the military and leave Medicare alone. Medicare benefits a large group of people, the money spent on defense gets us less bang for our buck and gives the idiots who love war and profit more incentive to start more wars. We need more, better, and  Read More...
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MikeDu
Both salubrious and lugubrious concurrently.
01:12 AM on 12/01/2011
I heard on the radio today that when you really crunch the numbers these so-called 'draconian' defense cuts will turn out to be a 13% defense *increase,* instead of the planned 25%(?) increase. This is our 'peace dividend' we get from getting out of Iraq? the Pentagon has gone on an unprecedented spending spree, the likes of which we haven't seen since we were at 'total war' sixty seven year ago. Don't trust a word Leon Panetta says, he's a liar.
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Daniel R Cobb
A Democrat, a Patriot with a Brain
09:03 PM on 11/30/2011
Wiseup! Defense budgets cuts are are only cutting to the rate of growth. In inflation adjusted dollars, we are spending more on "defense" today that any time in history, including WWII, the Viet Nam war, and the Korean War. We have 750 bases world wide with an active duty force of 1.5 million soldiers, (all forces) 350,000 of them deployed overseas, defending against... al qaeda??? Our defense budget is absolutely out of control... but the MOST POWERFUL LOBBY in DC is the Defense Industry. We sell more arms than any other nation by far, our most advanced technology, and WE the Taxpayers subsidize those purchase for foreign governments in the form of "assistance". Please wise up. Like everything else, the corporations and their lobbyists run this show. The rest is simply smoke and mirrors.
Chironomid
To read is human; to comprehend divine
11:03 PM on 11/30/2011
Not only that, we sell that technology to our enemies! Did you hear the BAE story today, selling absolute top-of-the-line sniper scopes to the Pakistanis? I'm sure none of those will end up in the Taliban's hands.

People who think this is some measure of patriotism are so ignorant..
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MikeCm
Occupy Reality
04:13 PM on 11/30/2011
This entire process is a political shell game called the Gramm-Rudman gambit. Its been around Washington since at least Ronald Reagan's first term.

The sequestrations are intended to kick in. Then, when they do, congress will broker deals behind the scenes until the only cuts remaining are those that the vast majority of people do not want. This is just one more tool government has in its bag of tricks to act against the will of the people.

So, Carney wasn't lying when he said the president won't "..change the construction of the cuts... to make them more lenient on defense spending..." He won't have to because Washington will continue funding the defense-security state as legal battles are waged on the constitutionality of sequestrations. Meanwhile, people-related cuts will move forward with little or no opposition.
Chironomid
To read is human; to comprehend divine
11:05 PM on 11/30/2011
Excellent point.. I knew there was a foul odor around this.
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flaconoire
Anartist
07:43 PM on 11/29/2011
They all work for Defense Dpt one way or the other. Once again the Pentagon will escape.
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checkmoot
We have met the enemy and he is us.
06:49 PM on 11/29/2011
Instead of cutting the military 45 billion a year, we could cut it 400 billion a year and still be spending twice as much on our military as Russia and China combined. The military has the American taxpayer totally conned. Who are we defending against, an invasion from Mars ?
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Tom Buzz
allworkandnoplaymakes
03:15 PM on 11/30/2011
i cant agree with you more, The only thing a large defense budget does is justify more conflicts.
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JMSmithers
Don't tolerate intolerance.
06:48 PM on 11/29/2011
One of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR was that they could not keep up with us when it came to military spending. They could not simply keep spending money on their military. Neither can we. We keep spending money on having a military world-wide military presence and we will collapse under that burden. We cannot afford to have China financing our military. It seems like whatever military cuts we do have are made in the care of the troops themselves and their personal safety. We need to reduce our presence around the world. There is such a thing as home field advantage and every time we go to war elsewhere, we are entering someone else's home.
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englishman545
English Born, Brooklyn Raised
12:19 PM on 11/30/2011
Vodka consumption also added to the collapse.
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Felix99
Born to be mild!!!!
08:13 PM on 11/30/2011
Very well said, JM!

I also agree with checkmoot when he says we should cut the defense budget by $400 billion rather than by the planned $45 billion! We have many times as much weaponry as we need to defend this country!! Which also begs the question, how could we be invaded anyway -- one pathetic terrorist at a time?? So far it's been our citizens who have picked them up, not our vaunted security system!!!

I find it interesting that the GOP/TBaggers knew the penalty for the Supercommittee not succeeding. Now they are treating the entire episode like a kiddies' game -- well we didn't really mean what we said, so let's start over.
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David Jeffers
The Divided States of America...
06:17 PM on 11/29/2011
Toomey; "We did not really mean it when we voted, we were only doing it to retain a single shred of integrity with the American people"...

Earth to Tommey, Earth to Tommey...Come Back...
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June25
05:54 PM on 11/29/2011
Why is he holding his hand in that weird position?
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David Jeffers
The Divided States of America...
06:18 PM on 11/29/2011
It's the universal "I am watching you" sign.
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June25
06:55 PM on 11/29/2011
It's heartwarming to know "Big Brother"cares about us this Christmass season.
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englishman545
English Born, Brooklyn Raised
12:20 PM on 11/30/2011
Comes from Westerns "Pale Face speaks with Forked Tongus".
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David Jeffers
The Divided States of America...
12:39 PM on 11/30/2011
Possibly a jedi mind trick...
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mikelartist
Arts bring light to the dark ages.
05:47 PM on 11/29/2011
Hey GOP congress!!!! "what's sauce for the goose is now sauce for the gander"

Whaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
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sarabono
Oldie but Goody
05:03 PM on 11/29/2011
So this whole thing is just to create a pissing contest for Obama and the Election?

Gosh, what a sick way to run our Government.
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Ulalume s Ague
Fighting for the Poe People
05:26 PM on 11/29/2011
Read, then re-read until you get it. The sequester is the republican plan-- they wanted to pretend that they are great stewards fo the economy and so they created this sequester that they now want Obama to relieve them from. In short, Obama, in the spirit of bi-partisanship, is acquiescing to the republican sequester-- Republicans surely wouldn't want the president to go back on a promise to them, would they? This is a pickle that republicans in all their ineptness created for themselves and unfortunately for the country. At some point principles matter.
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David Jeffers
The Divided States of America...
06:21 PM on 11/29/2011
Some things never change...how about the best 2 out of three...then 3 out of 5, then 4 out of seven...but we can stop when we get what we want..)

Good to see you Ula...
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Egallini
I am the 53% AND the 99%. Go OWS!
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INVet
Truth has a liberal bias
02:54 PM on 11/29/2011
Gover Norquest wins
The GOP might win (we shall see)

And America looses - once again.
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Kyle10
those who sharpen perception tend to be antisocial
04:21 PM on 11/29/2011
Au contraire, INVet.

This puts the GOP and their martinet Norquist in a precarious position, indeed. They demanded it, now they've got it - square in their laps.

Score another one for the President; strategy over tactics.
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hburns1351
I'm too old to be diplomatic
04:45 PM on 11/29/2011
Pretty Machiavellian...kind of hope it's true.
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Ulalume s Ague
Fighting for the Poe People
05:28 PM on 11/29/2011
FF'd-- you are correct. They will still try to spin it. I can see it--"Republicans charge hat Obama is holding them to their own stated legislative position-- how socialist!"
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Morgan Stubblefield
02:44 PM on 11/29/2011
My husband is in the Army, and they've already been hit by cuts. They're all supposed to have equipment on their weapons at night so they can see what they're shooting at. Now only one man per platoon will have it, the once-a-week practice ranges have gone down to once a month and half the ammo, and last deployment men were spending their own money to have night vision equipment fixed and sent to them. Yet billions have gone missing in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Our men will come home in body bags while corrupt governments and contractors get richer.
03:00 PM on 11/29/2011
That situation is deplorable and only happens because the military is spending billions designing new airplanes we don't need, instead of millions on equipment our troops do need.
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ZaneDavid
Retired Sailors Have More Fun.
03:22 PM on 11/29/2011
How wrong you are......the military has stated repeatedly that they don't
want or need the aircraft you mention....it is Congress that is forcing
this issue, saying thousands of jobs will be lost in their districts if the
projects are cancelled. This happens when know nothing civilians meddle
in military affairs.
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englishman545
English Born, Brooklyn Raised
07:19 PM on 11/29/2011
$500.00 dollar hammer????
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Felix99
Born to be mild!!!!
08:25 PM on 11/30/2011
No, Morgan, they haven't been hit by cuts! If you check, Iraq was exactly the same way, with troopers having to buy better armor for themselves and their vehicles. You would think that DoD would transfer the knowledge from Iraq to the war in Afghanistan - that was obviously a foolish assumption!!! Good luck to your husband and his buddies!!!!
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englishman545
English Born, Brooklyn Raised
01:08 PM on 11/29/2011
Awww C'mon

President Obama is starting the Cold War up again with Russia and upsetting China.......

Let's make cuts in the salaries, benefits, and retirement benefits for Congress, the Senate , and the President.
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treehugger5
don't blame the hoodie
03:20 PM on 11/29/2011
If we don't pay our elected officials then only wealthy can serve and may only represent themselves instead of THE PEOPLE.
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englishman545
English Born, Brooklyn Raised
04:07 PM on 11/29/2011
They could live very comfortably on the monies the lobbyists pay them.

The Congress and Senate are all millionares anyway
06:04 PM on 11/29/2011
Because its not the wealthy (for the most part) that get elected now?
01:00 PM on 11/29/2011
Good to hear consistency. What's the point in unavoidable cuts if they're totally preventable and avoidable? The super committee failed. Now we have to face the consequences and solve the problem as best we can.