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The Other Student Loan Problem: Too Little Debt

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JUSTIN POPE   11/27/11 05:23 PM ET  AP

LONG BEACH, Calif. — Jesse Yeh uses the University of California-Berkeley library instead of buying textbooks. He scrounges for free food at campus events and occasionally skips meals. He's stopped exercising and sleeps five to six hours per night so he can take 21 credits – a course load so heavy he had to get special permission from a dean.

The only thing he won't do: take out a student loan.

"I see a lot of my friends who took out student loans, then they graduated and because of the economy right now they still couldn't find a job," said the third-year student, whose parents both lost their jobs in 2009 and who grew up in the boom-and-bust town of Victorville, Calif., on a block with several houses in foreclosure. "The debt burden is really heavy on them."

Even as college prices and average student loan debt rise, educators in some sectors of higher education report they're also seeing plenty of students like Yeh. After watching debt cause widespread damage in their families and communities, they're determined to avoid loans no matter what.

What's surprising is this: Educators aren't sure that's always such a good thing.

Students who take extreme steps to avoid debt at all costs, they say, may get stuck with something much more financially damaging than moderate student loan debt. They may not wind up with a college degree.

To pay for college and minimize borrowing, students are working longer hours at jobs and taking fewer credits. They're less likely to enroll full-time. They're living at home. They're "trading down" to less selective institutions with lower prices, and heading first to cheaper community colleges with plans to transfer later to four-year schools.

Those may sound like money-savers, but in fact each is a well-documented risk factor that makes students less likely to graduate.

"There's been such attention on student debt being unmanageable that current students have internalized that," said Deborah Santiago, co-founder and vice president for policy research at the group Excelencia in Education, a nonprofit advocacy group. In fact, "If you can take out a little bit of loan you're more likely to complete. If you can go to a more selective institution that gives you more resources and support, you're more likely to complete."

To be sure, educators can't help but admire the determination of students like Yeh; if that kind of responsibility was more common, the financial crisis might never have happened. And nobody blames students for being afraid amid a flurry of news about debt, like a recent analysis estimating the average debt burden for 2010 college graduates who borrowed was over $25,000, up 5 percent from the year before.

But getting almost no notice in recent reports was another stat: New borrowing nearly flattened out last year, according to the College Board, and actually declined on a per-student basis after accounting for inflation. Private borrowing (generally more dangerous to students) has dropped from about $24 billion in 2007-2008 to about $8 billion last year. A major factor is likely increased federal grant aid. But another may be students making more sacrifices to avoid loans.

What's the upside of borrowing? Federal data analyzed by Santiago's group and The Institute for Higher Education Policy (IHEP) in 2008 shows roughly 86 percent of students who borrow for college are able to attend full-time, compared to 70 percent of students who don't borrow. That matters because roughly 60 percent of full-time students receive a bachelor's degree within eight years, compared to 25 percent of part-time students.

Other research, meanwhile, shows just 26 percent of students who enroll in a community college hoping eventually to earn a four-year bachelor's degree succeed within nine years. That compares to 50 percent starting at non-selective four-year colleges and 73 percent at selective schools.

The more selective school may have a higher price tag, and you may expect it will be harder. But in fact, even comparably qualified students are more likely to graduate from the more selective school, probably because such schools generally offer more financial aid and academic help.

Student debt aversion is most pronounced among Hispanics and Asians, who borrow at lower rates than whites despite having higher financial need. And it appears to have the greatest consequences for Hispanics and blacks.

Fifty-one percent of blacks who had financial need but decided not to borrow had left school within three years without a degree, compared to 39 percent of those who borrowed, the study by Excelencia and IHEP found. For Hispanics, 41 percent of non-borrowers had left, compared to 32 percent who borrowed.

In Hispanic immigrant populations, "aversion to borrowing stems from a lack of a banking relationship of any sort," said Santiago, who has studied debt aversion in the states along the Mexican border. "They tend to live in a cash economy, and (have) a very stringent determination to live within your means."

For Hispanics, she says, the issue isn't new. But more broadly, a new generation is arriving on campus whose financial education was forged almost entirely during the financial crisis and the wretched economy of the last four years.

"I think the foreclosure (crisis) is definitely something that is on my mind," said Yeh. He says he would borrow if it became absolutely necessary. He's doing OK academically, but acknowledges he used to have a few weeks to work on a paper; since upping his course load he typically bangs it out the day before. He's so busy he doesn't have time to cook and eats out regularly, even though that's more expensive.

At California community colleges, students don't usually need to borrow to pay tuition. But the decision affects how much they work outside class – and that affects their path through college.

Isaac Romero, 22, a third-year student at Long Beach City College, works a nearly 40-hour-per-week job with a workforce staffing company that has him on assignment at City Hall. He goes straight from there to class from roughly 4 until 9:40. Two bus rides later he gets home, often around midnight. Weekends are for homework.

He hopes to transfer next year, earn a bachelor's degree and then attend graduate school. Someday he wants to teach at LBCC. He figures he'll eventually have to borrow but wants to keep his debt as low as possible. So he ignores the loan solicitations that flood his mailbox.

"Life would be a little more comfortable if I did take some loans," admits Romero. "I might have a car. I wouldn't have to take the bus for two hours." But, he remembers his father – both parents are now deceased – agonizing over bills. Several friends have had cars repossessed.

"I just don't want to go through that," he said.

Eloy Oakley, the president of LBCC, says he understands the source of debt aversion.

"The predatory lending we've had from private lenders, credit card companies, has scared students," Oakley said. "I think they have a conception that all debt is bad. They're concerned about that and rightfully so."

But it's so important to move students through community college expeditiously, he says, that he's concluded debt aversion is a more dangerous problem overall than student debt.

"The longer they're in school, the more opportunity they have to be distracted by life events, jobs, families, situations that change in their own families," says Oakley, whose student body is 41 percent Hispanic and 16 percent Asian. "If we can minimize those exit points and shorten their time to degree, that's much more advantageous to them."

The solution is helping students better understand the complexities of financial aid: the difference between government and private loans, how much debt is manageable, the likely returns on various degrees and majors.

"It's hard to get a nuanced message to students so they can act prudently and get their education," Santiago said. "We have to show there's a level of financial aid and loan amount that's reasonable."

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Justin Pope covers higher education for The Associated Press. You can reach him at twitter.com/jnn_pope97

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02:22 AM on 01/26/2012
The quickest way to "solve" this problem is to not go to college. If every student would boycott the colleges one year the education problem would be solved. My reasoning, colleges have become the same as the health industry. They can charge whatever they want just because they can. Student loans, grants and even extortion of parents have made higher learning a thug system. You come accross or we we throw you out. If there was a boycott or even the threat of a boycott the tuition rates would drop. These colleges would not close their doors. They would be forced to drop proffessor pay and become very frugal in their expenditures. As long as the taxpayer is on the hook for the bill, the colleges will just keep getting more expensive. That's what I love about the occupiers, borrowed money to get an education to sit in a park and whine.
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justkeepswimming
02:06 PM on 12/20/2011
I had a total of $75k in student loan debt from undergrad and law school after graduating earlier in the 2000s. It would have been a whole lot more if I hadn't worked all the way through school, full time in the summers, had neither a car nor a computer during undergrad, typed up my papers and did research in the school's computer lab, did my reading in the library instead of buying ruinously expensive text books, etc. Since graduation I've been living way below my means and have nearly paid off my loans. I get that the job market is tough, but a lot of the student loan tragedies I hear about sound avoidable by the application of common sense and hard work, which are both free.
03:57 AM on 12/06/2011
Ms. Santiago and Mr. Oakley, there is no "reasonable" amount of student loan debt just as there is no "reasonable" amount of money you can borrow from the Mafia. Student loan debt is still the most collectible type of loan--you can't declare bankruptcy on it and the lender will come after you with a vengeance if you can't make your payments. Perhaps some of these students who didn't borrow with a student loan dropped out because they concluded that college is a rip-off and they weren't learning anything of value.
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Jerry Bourbon
03:27 PM on 12/05/2011
Yeh is STUPID. Doesn't he know that Obama is going to find a way to forgive student loans and buy votes? You can't have a loan forgiven if you don't have a loan!
11:52 PM on 11/29/2011
"Educators aren't sure that's always such a good thing."

At my college, educators would worry more about our well-being - financially, emotionally, academically, and health-wise - before they'd worry about the institution's paycheck.
This May, I will be one of those students graduating with debt, and I don't regret it in the least. It may be hard to pay back, but I feel like I've enjoyed my college experience. I’ve had the opportunity to be involved in many groups on campus (including ones outside my discipline), meet people and create what will be lifelong friendships and have time to usually get enough sleep and complete my homework.

Pushing yourself as hard as Yeh may work out in the long run. He appears to be a very hard worker and will likely go far in life. Yet, that kind of pace can wear students down. It can lead to health problems related to stress and lack of sleep. Further, if he is living off-campus, he will be missing the dorm experience, which can help students form bonds with peers, have better access to educational opportunities and student life activities, and save on time used to travel.

My favorite experiences at college are the nights I spent laughing and talking with friends, not the ones where I stayed in and did homework. Maybe that extra time with friends will cost me later financially, but it’s something I’m willing to work for then. I only get to go to college once.
NancyY
carpe diem!
09:49 AM on 11/30/2011
Well, enjoy paying for your "favorite experiences" for the next "X" number of years, as if you had been on a cruise ship or something. You signed on the line, you are responsible for that debt. Hope you had a lot of fun there.
11:37 PM on 11/29/2011
Colleges encourage borrowing by students because student loans enable colleges to raise costs. Without loans, they could not charge as much as they do.
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11:51 AM on 12/21/2011
Easy access to guaranteed funds is only part of the problem.   Universities in the US have become resorts that young people spend 4-6 years at.  They need money for amenities that differentiate one undergrad school from another.  There are some that have real recognition (Ivy League and what not), but otherwise a degree from any school is as valuable as one from any other school.

Schools are competing on experience now.   A good education can be found anywhere, but what if you want a good education and a new $10 million student union and $13 million recreation center with multiple pools, rock climbing walls, and juice bar?
05:52 PM on 11/29/2011
Props to him - I hope that he finishes college and succeeds. I've seen college frugality ruin someone and I've seen someone that had succeeded in graduating with minimal debt because of it. Seems like a personal choice, but they do miss some great college experiences in: 1) not living in the dorms, 2) not living near campus, 3) not building lasting friendships and relationships, 4) on-campus activities, 5) wasted time in traffic/commuting, 6) limited study group and tutoring availability, etc...

It's all a personal choice I'm sure, even as I've missed some life opportunities and probably received lower grades since I worked during my years in college. Everyone should find the balance that works best for themselves.
05:13 AM on 11/29/2011
A determined, mature student like the boy in this story will do well and graduate no matter what school he goes to. "More selective" schools don't necessarily have more support than big state schools or CC's, and the determined student will not need hand-holding anyway. Good for this kid - it sounds like he'll go far in life.
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08:12 PM on 11/28/2011
Colleges are a poor source of advice on loan debt, since they get their money up front and students bear the risk of either never completing a degree or completing a degrees and poor job prospects with a debt that could last their whole lives. For a long time stats have shown that at most colleges other than the Ivies, 66% or fewer have a degree in six years.

In sum, I think Jesse Yeh is wise in his approach and it is the approach I would take if starting life over in this new era of crushing costs and debts.
08:06 PM on 11/28/2011
I went to a community college not by choice but necessity. It was the best thing that ever happened to me financially. My suggestion to any kids out there, going that route, is to apply for an Associate's. It's very easy for credits to not transfer - with an Associate's you have more of a guarantee that you'll be able to meet the necessary requirements. I've been blessed to have my merit scholarship through the state - even though the governor seems hell bent on taking it away - and that my parents can supplement my tuition while I pay for books. It's tough, but with the right support and dedication it's possible. I'll be graduating next spring with my Bachelor's :)
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07:40 PM on 11/28/2011
I can understand Yeh wanting to not have any debt, but taking 21 credits is a lot of work and getting only 5 hours of sleep a night is certainly not healthy. Nor is skipping meals.

I have about 27k of debt from student loans. I've only ever seen it as an investment. You have to invest wisely (in other words get a marketable degree).

If I had to give any advice to people who are about to enter college then it would be this: take classes at a community college and get those easy credits knocked out. It's not worth it to take them at a university. You can easily save some money that way, but make sure they will transfer to the university. Also, you do not always need the textbook. Wait until you get the syllabus from your professor and see if you need it. That can save you hundreds a year. Furthermore, if you get a scholarship, then consider yourself lucky and don't lose it. I lost mine and have paid the price with student loans. I could have saved myself thousands if I hadn't been an idiot.

If you are in college at the moment, then make sure to try and take at least 15 credits a semester. The sooner you get through college, the less money you will have to spend. Also, make a budget and stick with it. I did that and it helped me greatly.
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10:46 PM on 11/29/2011
I'm not 100% sure I agree with your last point. Personally I've taken 21 credits before, taking 18 this semester, then winding down with 15 next semester, but it really isn't something I'd recommend. Coupled with the massive amount of stress, especially towards finals, it's a burden I'd wish on no man. I will say this though, it's certainly a wonderful challenge if you're into pushing your personal limits, and also extremely dangerous.

On a side note, it isn't a horse & buggy race. As long as you take the minimum requirement for full time (12), that is if you're receiving grants, then I wouldn't do more than that. If, however, you feel that 12 is overwhelming, I'd definitely recommend taking your time, and just take 9 credits, and maybe take a couple classes over the summer.
04:02 PM on 11/28/2011
I would be very cautious about inferring anything from these statistics. The students at community colleges are a diverse set of subpopulations. There have not been many determined and dedicated students using community colleges as a low-cost route (since the 4 year programs were picking them up). As the cost of college increases, the attractiveness of this route increases and the numbers of this population should pick up. The statistics quoted are aggregate, not broken by sub-population.

I am not worried about these claims - and I am willing to put my kids where my mouth is. Actually, they get to make the decision, but I will lay out the choices and associated costs. I expect that I know the answer (But if my daughter gets early admission into the engineering honors program, I will accept it. And we will work out out how to pay for it.).
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03:38 PM on 11/28/2011
"Educators aren't sure that's always such a good thing". Why? Are the kids finally cutting into their six figure salaries and steady supply of cash to pay for coaches and scholarships for dumb jocks? On what planet is the coach at Ohio State worth 40 million? And let's not ever forget that George W. Bush is a Yale grad; and Rick Perry is currently one of the best known A&M alumni, having graduated in 1972 with a 2.4 grade point average. Good for the kids. The universities need to quit leeching off our kids.
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8 Years of Insanity and now you're mad?
06:31 PM on 11/28/2011
Is the coach at Ohio State actually paid 40 million? If so, that is beyond outrageous.
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06:35 PM on 11/28/2011
"And let's not ever forget that George W. Bush is a Yale grad; and Rick Perry is currently one of the best known A&M alumni, having graduated in 1972 with a 2.4 grade point average. "

Well, you know what Bush told students during a commemoration. Even "C" students can become the president of the United States. The part that he had failed to include in that statement is that you have to be born into the right family with the right connections in order to pull that off (in addition to the push of some sitting on the Supreme Court).
12:25 PM on 11/28/2011
I never tried to handle 21 credits, but I did take 18 one semester. It has some of my liberal art distribution. I got a 4.0. I would have never tried that with my advanced math and physics classes.

My daughter is planning on going the community college / running start route. I have prepaid somewhat over 2 years of tuition via a GET program. Next year, instead of going to 11th grade she will be off to a full starting engineering load at Bellevue College (unless she strikes it lucky and gets into early honors admissions to the University of Washington). She should place out of at least a quarter via AP tests.

By the time she finishes her junior year she should be able to get engineering internships that pay real money, allowing her to stretch her finances to cover her Masters in Engineering, hopefully without any loans.

I expect she will live at home and will commute by bus (a major park and ride is 5 miles away).

With luck, my son will follow the same route.

If the student is focused and disciplined, it can be done.
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01:06 PM on 11/28/2011
What engineering job will be available.
These people are scrapping the bottom of the barrel for work with nothing coming.
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03:55 PM on 11/28/2011
MI is hiring engineers - lots of them. However, engineers are the new "contract" laborers.
04:04 PM on 11/28/2011
Engineering work is reasonably available considering the state of the economy. I work for a consulting engineering company doing computer security (but my Ph.D. is in Mechanical Engineering - Materials).
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01:48 PM on 11/28/2011
You must be very proud!
11:12 AM on 11/28/2011
While it's commendable for students like Yeh to do this, not everyone can take 21 credits a semester and still manage to keep their sanity. If anything, grades will suffer and stress level would be high. In reality, he shouldn't have to do that. No student should have to take a ridiculous amount of credits or settle for part-time when they want a degree. If the government helped the education sector as much as they have Wall Street and the car companies, then this wouldn't be an issue.