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Michigan Charter Schools: Legislature Continues Debate Over For-Profits

Michigan Charter Schools

First Posted: 11/29/11 06:27 PM ET Updated: 11/29/11 06:39 PM ET

As a bill that would lift the cap on Michigan's charter schools is back up for debate in the state House this week, one lawmaker is trying to ensure that for-profit schools are not included in that expansion.

Senate Bill 618 narrowly passed the Senate 20 to 18 in October, with some Republicans siding with Democrats to oppose it. Critics say it includes too few quality controls and opens the state up to more underperforming charter school operators, some of which are just out to make a quick buck.

State Sen. Rebekah Warren is proposing a constitutional amendment that would ban for-profit charter operators from opening schools in Michigan. Warren offered a similar measure as an amendment to SB 618, but it did not pass. So now, she says, she's appealing to the larger legislature and amendment process to ensure that any charter school expansion excludes for-profit operators.

"It doesn't even limit the number of charter schools in existence," Warren said of her proposed amendment. "What it does do is say they have to operate like our public schools do -- as a nonprofit."

Warren was joined by state Sen. Hoon-Yung Hopgood in announcing the amendment Tuesday, and said she had garnered 10 cosponsors in the state legislature.

Some 80 percent of Michigan's 225 charter schools are currently run by for-profit companies, while nationally the figure is close to 30 percent. In addition to opening the field for more charters, SB 618 would also lift restrictions on out-of-state charter operators, many of which are for-profit.

Several education reform groups are asking the House to add quality control measures to the charter bill that would affect all operators, both for-profit and nonprofit. The groups include Michigan Democrats for Education Reform, Progressives for Quality Public Schools, StudentsFirst and the Education Trust. They distributed a letter Monday encouraging House members to amend SB 618.

"Should existing charter authorizers and operators who have a portfolio of schools that consistently perform at horribly low levels ... deserve to automatically expand their number of schools without any accountability or responsibility?" the letter's authors wrote. "The answer, we believe, is obvious: Absolutely not."

Excellent Schools Detroit, a reform coalition, has criticized the measure and made statements showing the limited success of charter schools in Michigan. Only three of the nine charter operators in the state have a majority of schools performing above the 25th percentile, according to the group.

That lack of performance -- and SB 618's lack of quality protections -- pushed her amendment forward, Warren said.

"It would be a different conversation if for-profit schools could point to that they were doing wonderful things in classroom," she said. "But the data shows in Michigan right now, only 17 percent of our charter schools perform better than public schools. All the rest perform the same or less well."

A widely cited 2009 Stanford study found that 17 percent of charter schools nationally out-performed traditional public schools, while 36 percent were worse. Michigan was not included in that study.

State Sen. Phil Pavlov, who chairs the Senate's education committee, said Warren's proposal has "nothing to do" with SB 618. Pavlov said he hadn't seen the language in Warren's amendment, so he could not comment on it directly, but he did address for-profit charters and public education.

"If you took a look at what for-profit is, you would see traditional public schools are operating at nice profit," Pavlov said. He also indicated that a ban on profits in public education would affect auxiliary industries.

"I would just suggest that in education in the state of Michigan -- where $18 billion trades hands every year -- I would suggest that there is a lot of profit being made on many levels. Would that profit [amendment] also go to include the textbook distributors? Or the school bus parts company?" Pavlov asked.

He said he did not see Warren's amendment as something he would support, adding, "Capitalism is alive and well in Michigan."

The Michigan House's education committee is chaired by Rep. Tom McMillin (R), who was appointed committee chair after Rep. Paul Scott was recalled earlier this month thanks to a push by the state teachers' union. McMillin is expected to support the charter school bill.

Six Senate Republicans voted against SB 618, but Warren said she did not yet know whether her for-profit charter ban amendment would receive bipartisan support.

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11:30 AM on 12/07/2011
In Florida there are approximately 3,000 public schools and 350 sharter schools. The grades were released and there were 31 failing schools in the state.
16 of them public and 15 of them charter..?? Do the math....
01:12 PM on 12/02/2011
What we should be doing, given the general failure of the charter model, is looking to close most of them down, not opening more up.
10:47 AM on 12/01/2011
A public good is, by definition, non-profit.
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Hopelessly Liberal
Facta, Non Verba
04:55 PM on 11/30/2011
What's next? For profit police departments, fire departments?
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lcr999
scientist
10:10 PM on 12/01/2011
of course.
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gmazs4
04:11 PM on 11/30/2011
All schools should non-profit... Any money over what is needed to run the school should go toward teacher's aides and classroom supplies...
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AndyWright68
Freedom is inevitable!
03:44 PM on 11/30/2011
The government is just an evilAndCorrupt organization that needs to block competition with threats and violent force to keep their monopolies going. It is much harder to indoctrinate the youth if people can freely choose a competing school that does not preach their garbage.
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lcr999
scientist
10:11 PM on 12/01/2011
Just like we have a choice between which jumbo bank to rip us off.
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AndyWright68
Freedom is inevitable!
08:12 AM on 12/02/2011
My bank nor any bank I have ever dealt with has ever ripped me off.

At least you have a choice of banks. The government that rips you off since the day you started working gives you no choice. Obey or else!
09:45 AM on 12/02/2011
oh, please - this is just a frothyrant that ignores a simple fact: the for-profits often underperform the schools they're supposed to replace.

So all that happens is that taxpayer money gets shuttled over to little more than con artists. The kids actually do worse than they did in the public schools. Your post is just a load of silliness that ignores reality in favor of adolescent accusations about indoctrination.
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AndyWright68
Freedom is inevitable!
11:32 AM on 12/02/2011
Often? How often? I have only seen charter schools outperform public and with far less cost per student. Please provide links that prove your assertion.
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2question
In every dream home, a heartache.
03:25 PM on 11/30/2011
Espantapajaros
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4 hours ago (11:39 AM)
There's no valid argument for education as a right, either.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

I'm done now. Thanks, cigar smoking chimpanzee.
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muffeegirl
women of America unite
03:18 PM on 11/30/2011
"Critics say it includes too few quality controls and opens the state up to more underperforming charter school operators, some of which are just out to make a quick buck."
This is almost exactly what I said when Scott Walker cut the budget to public schools in WI. The TBagg/Repubs want to privatize schools to big corporatiions and there will be no learning controls just get them passed and charge money to do it.
Disgusting.
scottsdalebubbe
Progressive Micro-Capitalist Grandmother
10:48 PM on 11/30/2011
Not just "charge money" but suck at the government t*t. The savings on charter schools are not kept by the public schools because public schools are funded by the state on a per pupil/day of attendance basis. If a student is in a charter school class, s/he is not in a public school class. So the savings go back to the general fund and the public schools with declining enrollment get even less money to function. And, given the results of the charter schools, the taxpayers are bring ripped off, all in the name of privatization.
01:35 PM on 11/30/2011
For Profit Charter Schools? All public schools, including Charter schools, should be fully funded by the Public. No private/corporate funding. No private/corporate operation. Otherwise, the schools are no longer public and the Public should not be funding any part of them.. Simple as that.
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lcr999
scientist
10:12 PM on 12/01/2011
Oh, they will be fully funded by the public, by vouchers, etc, but just making a profit for the shareholders.
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Mimi Rothschild
CEO, Learning By Grace, Inc.
12:27 PM on 11/30/2011
The issue is not how many charter schools there are and whether or not they are managed by for profit instiutions.

The issue is- are the charter schools really costing to run what they are recieving from the government?

In the case of cyber charter schools, as the CEO of the nation's largest Chriistian network of private cyber schools serving PreK-12 students, I can say with great certainty that it costs a fraction of what the for profit vendors of public cyber charter schools recieve to run a cyber school. This means that the taxpayers are being ripped off. Again,

I call for an investigation into the actual costs involved in running a cyber charter school and for legislation that limits the taxpayer funds they recieve based on average national costs, not the amount it takes to run a brick and mortar school.

I will gladly offer my time pro bono to help shed light and establish the facts regarding this important abuse of taxtpayer funds.

MImi Rothschild
CEO, Learning By Grace, Inc.
http://www.LearningByGrace.org
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
12:46 PM on 11/30/2011
That's rich. One who skims public money whining and complaining about another. It's just surreal. I'll agree with you on one point, the taxpayers are being ripped off AGAIN.
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Mimi Rothschild
CEO, Learning By Grace, Inc.
04:15 PM on 11/30/2011
When I have airtight proof of who you are (ofcourse you and both know) I will bring a defamation lawsuit against you and perhaps cause you to spend $250,000.00 (or all of your time or both) like the last person who defamed me.

The comical things is that you know absolutely nothing about what you are talking about, but you are digging yourself deeper into a black hole.

If you want to know what happened, read the book I am writing about it because its taking about 500 pages to tell the story accurately.

Your reliance on a couple of small time newspaper yellow journalistic reports for your allegations shows that you are just another angry person with a lot of time on your hands to harass others (over 8000 posts, really?). I suggest you read the cover of the Washington Post story; they got it pretty close to accurate.

Mimi Rothschild
http://www.LearningByGrace.org
09:46 AM on 12/02/2011
Riiiight - the CEO of a Christian network of schools manages to misspell

Christian
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Is this indicative of the kind of education you offer?
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10:32 AM on 11/30/2011
Capitalism means that in order for there to be rich, there must be poor people; someone has to be exploited and have less for someone else to have more; which generally means Black and Brown people unfortunately.
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10:04 AM on 11/30/2011
You can bet large sums of money will be spent to make sure that for-profit schools become a reality.
11:23 AM on 11/30/2011
True here in Florida too
04:28 PM on 12/02/2011
yep - Ricky_the_crook has been hanging around Michelle Rhee. You know what THAT means.
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HHarvey
Do not feed the trolls
09:47 AM on 11/30/2011
what do they mean "for profit?" Anything over and above operating costs? Charter's do not get the same funding that public schools get so they have to pick up the slack by fundraising, and in some cases asking for donations from parents. However, I do see that this can lead to a fine line in between what is a private school and what is public. A charter school that asks parents for an annual donation of $1000 or more (yes, I've heard of this) imo ceases to really be a charter school. Maybe Michigan needs to be more selective in their charter process and in deciding who gets a charter or not. Why can't they do that?
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10:01 AM on 11/30/2011
In Michigan, charter schools get the same funding as the public schools because they are viewed as public schools.
12:10 PM on 12/03/2011
True on State Aid but NOT on property taxes, i.e., they must pay for ALL expenses (including their building) from their State Aid payment. Plus 3% go to their Authorizer. Not even close to being the same
07:34 PM on 11/30/2011
bs they are funded by business, olic, get special treatment take higher achieving studnets, get rid of behavior problems, reduce teacher pay etc charters need to prove themselves and right now seems like another scam to me
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tribilin219
AND NO ONE IN JAIL YET, Why?
09:46 AM on 11/30/2011
Greed, It has nothing to do with our kids, it's just Greed.
11:23 AM on 11/30/2011
sad but true
09:45 AM on 11/30/2011
If there's one thing the incompetent, inefficient public school bureaucracy hates, it's competition that exceeds it.
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maninal2
Without knowledge action is useless
10:11 AM on 11/30/2011
Are you advocating adding incompetent, inefficient, costly charters as a remedy?
10:37 AM on 11/30/2011
By the numbers, their performance is superior.
scottsdalebubbe
Progressive Micro-Capitalist Grandmother
10:55 PM on 11/30/2011
Read the article. 25th percentile means the lowest quarter of performance, not the top quarter of performance. Innumeracy strikes again.