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Excommunicated Bishop Turns Up At China Ordination

Pope China

11/30/11 02:12 PM ET   AP

BEIJING — An excommunicated bishop took part in an ordination ceremony in southwest China on Wednesday, an event likely to worsen relations between the Chinese state-controlled Catholic church and the Vatican, which had warned against his participation.

Wednesday's ordination of Peter Luo Xuegang as coadjutor bishop of Yibin diocese had the blessing of the Vatican, a recent point of agreement in its decades-long rift with China's church. But the appearance and participation of the excommunicated bishop, Paul Lei Shiyin, in the ceremony fueled fresh tensions.

Lei was ordained in the nearby diocese of Leshan in June against Pope Benedict XVI's wishes – one of three recent cases in which China unilaterally ordained bishops. The Vatican insists that only the pope has the right to choose bishops, while China sees this as interference in its internal affairs.

The Vatican's chief spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said Wednesday evening that Lei's participation "causes disapproval and consternation," especially since "it appears he participated as a consecrating bishop and co-celebrated the Eucharist."

A man from the administrative office of Leshan's branch of the Catholic Patriotic Association, which runs China's churches, said Lei had participated in religious rituals.

"Bishop Lei Shiyin went to Yibin and attended Bishop Luo Xuegang's ordination ceremony and he is back in Leshan today," said the man, surnamed Yang. "He also participated in the religious rituals there."

A Foreign Ministry spokesman said Tuesday that China was "sincere" about improving relations with the Vatican and that recent ordinations "promote the healthy development of Chinese Catholicism."

Lombardi expressed appreciation that Luo had enjoyed the pope's approval, following three recent ordinations in defiance of the Vatican. "Having a new prelate who is in communion with the pope and with all the Catholic bishops of the world is certainly positive," the Vatican spokesman said.

"Instead, the participation of the illegitimate bishop – who, as is known, is in the canonical condition of being an excommunicated person – doesn't go in the same direction and causes disapproval and consternation among the faithful," Lombardi said in a statement.

In China, worship is allowed only in state-backed churches, although millions of Chinese belong to unofficial congregations loyal to the pope.

Lombardi noted that in "ordinary situations," there would be church consequences for the other bishops who participated in the ceremony despite Lei's presence. "In the present circumstances, it is probable that these (bishops) weren't able to impede him without grave repercussions" on themselves, he said.

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BEIJING — An excommunicated bishop took part in an ordination ceremony in southwest China on Wednesday, an event likely to worsen relations between the Chinese state-controlled Catholic church a...
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iLdoRight
Encouraging The Rightest Rightness
10:40 AM on 12/01/2011
Caption suggestion; " Up! Up! And Awaaaay ! "
10:41 PM on 11/30/2011
Nobody cares what the Vatican says or thinks. I think the pope should go sit on a stick.
12:56 PM on 11/30/2011
Any denomination controlled by a state other than the Vatican cannot be classified as Roman Catholic. The Pope is the Holy See and has final say over all who call themselves Roman Catholic. Claiming lineage to Peter, the Pope inherits the power granted Peter by Christ: "Whatsoever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven. Whatsoever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven". There simply is no getting around Papal authority by any Roman Catholic. The Chinese state would do well to let that church be, without interference or, totally outlaw the Church.
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Greatest Darthfruit
So, you the brains of this outfit, or is he?
12:35 PM on 11/30/2011
Religion ruins everything!!
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Carmeliggy
12:26 PM on 11/30/2011
All this fighting over dresses...........
11:47 AM on 11/30/2011
In China, worship is allowed only in state-backed churches.

Makes issues like SB 1070 look like a walk in the park. Keep shopping at Mega Mart, but boycott Arizona. That will show 'em.
12:18 PM on 11/30/2011
Sorry, you're 100% wrong. The state does not "back" churches or religious organizations. But it absolutely does not allow any sort of challenge to its authority. Permitting the Pope, an outsider, to have some control over Chineze citizens is unacceptable. But people are allowed to freely worship whoever or whatever they choose...as long as governmental authority is not challenged. I spent years in China and can attest to the fact that it's nothing like the western media represents it.
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Imrightyourewrong
12:39 PM on 11/30/2011
If you don't recognize the Pope's sole authority to consecrate Bishops, you aren't Catholic. The PCA is not Catholic. What the Pope should do is make clear that those who know better are not Catholic and the "masses" the PCA priests celebrate, priests it ordains or bishops it consecrates are not Catholic. The thing is...I'm not that religious, but there are rules to being a member of a group. Part of the "rules" of being Catholic is that the Pope, and nobody else, appoints Bishops.
01:23 PM on 11/30/2011
"But people are allowed to freely worship whoever...."

But something is wrong with freedom of worship in China, especially with Tibetan monks having to resort to self-immolation, with the Chinese gov. choosing the Dalai Lama's successor (against the wishes of Buddhist Tibetans), with millions of Catholics involved in secrecy and persecution, with the repression of Falun Gong, etc.

Possibly the Chinese Communist one party (undemocratic) system is worried about some kind of religious uprising like the 19th century Taiping rebellion that destabilized the Manchu Dynasty, which in turn was succeeded by the Republic of Sun Yat-Sen, a Christian.

History repeats itself. We shall see. In democratic systems, the use of force (against a citizen's conscience, his right to worship freely) in a manner contrary to the principles of a constitutional state can never be justified in the modern world. How can the Chinese Communists claim to protect "democracy" if they threaten its very foundations?
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ttsgw
Atheist and secular humanist
11:45 AM on 11/30/2011
It's all about power over peoples minds (souls ).
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Dragosurfer
I surf, therefore I am…..
11:36 AM on 11/30/2011
Why was this bishop excommunicated in the first place? Was it for molesting children? Was it for supporting birth control? Was it for being gay?

If it was for molesting children, well then, the RCC would have to excommunicated thousands of priest and all of the RCC officials that covered up these crimes, including the Pope!
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Disillusioned One
Illusion is for those unable to face reality.
02:51 PM on 11/30/2011
I've never read or heard about a priest being excommunicated for those egregious acts.Instead they are rewarded with cover-ups and safe passage to other parishes and more fertile hunting grounds. Must be part of the 'religious' experience. I guess it's supposed to be an 'honor' if one of these 'holy men' wants your child that way.
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Pembrokelib
11:40 AM on 12/01/2011
He was excommunicated because only the Pope has the right to ordain bishops, and the Chinese didn't get permission. Not because he did anything bad. This is a rule of the Catholic Church and always has been.
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SeattleHome
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10:52 AM on 11/30/2011
Do you think anyone in the Vatican would want my box of Penn State tee-shirts?
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Disillusioned One
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02:53 PM on 11/30/2011
Why not throw in the box of baseball style caps, too? Penn State merchandise gets spit upon in our local sporting goods store.
10:48 AM on 11/30/2011
It's bad news when China thinks the Vatican has outsourced the ordination of clergy.
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alterego55
"Always intended to be a factual statement"
11:28 AM on 11/30/2011
I think it is more like Chinese piracy of Papal intellectual property.
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Dragosurfer
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11:38 AM on 11/30/2011
LOL - you said "Papal" and "Intellectual" in the same sentence! LOL, that's funny.
12:49 PM on 11/30/2011
LOL!!