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Syria Death Toll Over 4,000

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ELIZABETH A. KENNEDY and FRANK JORDANS   12/ 1/11 02:59 PM ET   AP

BEIRUT — Syria has entered a state of civil war with more than 4,000 people dead and an increasing number of soldiers defecting from the army to fight President Bashar Assad's regime, the U.N.'s top human rights official said Thursday.

Civil war has been the worst-case scenario in Syria since the revolt against Assad began eight months ago. Damascus has a web of allegiances that extends to Lebanon's powerful Hezbollah movement and Iran's Shiite theocracy, raising fears of a regional conflagration.

The assessment that the bloodshed in Syria has crossed into civil war came from the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights, Navi Pillay.

The conflict has shown little sign of letting up. Activists reported up to 22 people killed Thursday, adding to what has become a daily grind of violence.

"We are placing the (death toll) figure at 4,000 but really the reliable information coming to us is that it's much more than that," Pillay said in Geneva.

"As soon as there were more and more defectors threatening to take up arms, I said this in August before the Security Council, that there's going to be a civil war," she added. "And at the moment, that's how I am characterizing this."

U.S. State Department spokesman Mark Toner declined to call it a civil war.

"The overwhelming use of force has been taken by Assad and his regime," Toner told reporters. "So there's no kind of equanimity here."

Toner said Assad's government has taken Syria down a dangerous path, and that "the regime's bloody repression of the protests has not surprisingly led to this kind of reaction that we've seen with the Free Syrian Army."

The Free Syrian Army, a group of defectors from the military, has emerged as the most visible armed challenge to Assad. The group holds no territory, appears largely disorganized and is up against a fiercely loyal and cohesive military.

International intervention, such as the NATO action in Libya that helped topple longtime dictator Moammar Gadhafi, is all but out of the question in Syria. But there is real concern that the conflict in Syria could spread chaos across the Middle East.

Syria borders five countries with whom it shares religious and ethnic minorities and, in Israel's case, a fragile truce.

Recent economic sanctions imposed by the European Union, the Arab League and Turkey were aimed at persuading Assad to end his crackdown. On Thursday, the EU announced a new round of sanctions against Syrian individuals and businesses linked to the unrest.

The new sanctions target 12 people and 11 companies, and add to a long list of those previously sanctioned by the EU. The full list of names of those targeted will not be known until they are published Friday in the EU's official journal.

The 27-member bloc also imposed some sanctions on Syria's ally Iran in the wake of an attack this week by a mob on the British Embassy in Tehran, the Iranian capital.

British Foreign Secretary William Hague accused Iran of supporting Assad's crackdown, saying "there is a link between what is happening in Iran and what is happening in Syria."

The sanctions are punishing Syria's ailing economy – a dangerous development for Damascus because the prosperous merchant classes are key to propping up the regime.

Syrian business leaders have long traded political freedoms for economic privileges. The sanctions, along with increasing calls by the opposition for general nationwide strikes, could sap their resolve.

A resident of the flashpoint city of Homs said businessmen are growing impatient.

"The sanctions against the regime are harming them," he told The Associated Press by telephone, asking that his name not be used for fear of reprisals. "Merchants only care about their interests. Many merchants are complaining that their business is dropping."

Activists also are trying to peel the business elite away from their allegiance to Assad. On Thursday, opposition groups called for a general strike, but it was difficult to gauge how widely Syrians were abiding by the strike. The regime has sealed the country off from foreign journalists and prevented independent reporting.

Residents in Syria's two economic powerhouses – the capital of Damascus and the northern city of Aleppo – reported business as usual Thursday.

But a video posted online by activists showed mostly closed shops in the Damascus suburb of Zabadani, which also has seen large anti-government protests. And a resident in Homs said most of the shops were closed, except for those selling food. Homs has been one of Syria's most volatile cities, with increasing clashes between troops and army defectors.

Syria has been the site of the deadliest crackdown against the Arab Spring's protests.

Deaths in Egypt, Tunisia and Yemen have numbered in the hundreds. Libya's toll is unknown and likely higher than Syria's, but the conflict there differed because it descended early on into an outright civil war between two armed sides.

Since the revolt began in Syria, the regime has blamed the bloodshed on terrorists acting out a foreign conspiracy to divide and undermine the country. It has laid bare Syria's simmering sectarian tensions, with disturbing reports of killings like those seen in Iraq.

Syria is an overwhelmingly Sunni country of 22 million, but Assad and the ruling elite belong to the minority Alawite sect. Assad, and his father before him, stacked key military posts with Alawites to meld the fate of the army and the regime – a tactic aimed at compelling troops to fight to the death to protect the Assad family dynasty.

The leader of the Free Syrian Army, breakaway air force Col. Riad al-Asaad, acknowledges nearly all the defectors under his command – some 15,000 – are low-level Sunni conscripts. The men are armed with rocket-propelled grenades, rifles and guns they took with them when they deserted, as well as light weapons they acquired on the black market, he says.

Until recently, most of the bloodshed was caused by security forces firing on mainly peaceful protesters. There have been growing reports of army defectors and armed civilians fighting Assad's forces – a development that some say plays into the regime's hands by giving government troops a pretext to crack down with overwhelming force.

As the violence continues, the 22-member Arab League in Cairo unveiled this week a list of top officials it wants to prevent from traveling to Arab countries – a humiliating affront to a country that prides itself on Arab nationalism.

The 17 officials who face the ban include the defense and interior ministers, and close members of Assad's inner circle. Assad's millionaire cousin, Rami Makhlouf, who has controlled the mobile phone network and other lucrative enterprises in Syria, and the president's younger brother, Maher, are on the list.

Assad himself was not named.

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Jordans reported from Geneva. Associated Press writers Albert Aji in Kfarbo, Syria, Bassem Mroue in Beirut, Bradley Klapper in Washington and Don Melvin and Raf Casert in Brussels contributed to this report.

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09:57 AM on 12/02/2011
America will not intervene, our govt. is trying to starve off millions of us to avert massive dissention in the streets... after all this has always been the agenda of the New World Order hasn't it???
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loki
Better to die fighting, than live on knees
04:33 AM on 12/02/2011
so far we have seen many similarities between the Syrian way of handling protesters, and the US way. You have to go back to the beginning of the Syrian protest to see what we are going through now, but I can only assume with similar beginnings, by the time we reach the scale they have in Syria, we too can expect the same treatment from the elitist and gov here in the USA. If we are allowed to make it as far as they have in Syria. Thats why I suggest we bypass the protest, which as we see dont work anyway, and go straight for the hardcore revolution.
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12:09 PM on 12/02/2011
loki a side note, syrians are saying the usa has nudged and advised the uprising in syria, people dont realize the goal is to get more shia control in govenrment away from the sunnis.you would think the fiundies here would go ape poo because the first christian church in the world was and still is in antioch founded by paul and peter and with the shia having the balance tip. the church will probably be set a flame and the patriarch killed or in hiding. raised orthodox christian syrians have a right to be afriad.
So F&F my gods people here are too afraid to do the "full monty" (and maybe it needs to wait till spring)n during the occupy protests, the governments, local, state, federal come up with plans, cordnation. we have cameras on every street corner. we are tapped, we are spied on, our own government yesterday refused to stop the practice of detaining citizens without charge and without time limit. by our own congress we are able to be rounded up, held with no charges, no trail, no hope of getting out. people still dont know how deep the rabbit hole goes. i was raised in activism and politics, i had two family members in elected offices. you can smell the death stink of american liberty and our constitution. glad i saw your post. rock on loki!
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loki
Better to die fighting, than live on knees
09:03 PM on 12/02/2011
totally agree.. F&F back at you..
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skialethia
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03:41 AM on 12/02/2011
There's a major power grab happening in the Middle East with Iran being the big prize and Syria is a mere pawn and no one cares about the freedom of Syrians or how many Syrian casualties come out of this, just like no one cared that hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were killed on behalf of U.S. hegemony. Oh yeah, everyone's pretending crocodile tears over casualties on the opposition side in Syria, but ya really think U.S./Nato/GCC are losing sleep over it???

Iraqis don't like what's being cooked up in Syria and won't be too pleased when the Saudi kingdom starts expanding with the help of Salafis to whom the Saudis extend their patronage and unleash when it suits them.

The Salafis are responsible for kidnapping and killing Vittorio Arrigoni as a tactic to undermine Hamas authority in the Gaza strip. See they want Hamas to abide by Sharia. Well known Salafis include al-Masri, Zawhiri and, oh yes, OBL.

It's funny how the U.S. started this cycle of never-ending war in the Middle East by getting in bed with the "mujahideen", umm, I mean AQ, and is ending up in bed with them again.

As long as the U.S. uses the "enemy of my enemy tactic" and continues on this insane adventure for selfish, strategic interests it will always end up accomplishing ZERO, at great expense, and leave behind a trail of destruction and countless human tragedy.
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skialethia
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03:38 AM on 12/02/2011
So a Russian air craft carrier and some warships are on their way to Syrian waters. The Russians have emphatically stated that there is to be NO foreign intervention in Syria and it looks like they intend to enforce that statement. But NATO and the GCC have done an end run on Security Council regulations by manufacturing a civil war and "indirectly" arming the opposition with weaponry and intelligence. Technically, there is all kinds of interference happening and there are operatives on the ground guiding and goading this armed revolt, but I'm sure the Russians will set up some intelligence, I mean "humanitarian" corridors of their own.

See, it's become clear to them that Syria is but a means to an end in a strategic power play.
03:34 AM on 12/02/2011
Once again, it is unfortunate that so many people don't really know what is happening in the region and totally un-informed about what is taking place in Syria. Massive propaganda is underway to demonize Bashar Assad; while rebels, fanatics, armed and well financed gangs and mercenaries are destabilizing the Syrian regime. Don't scream we were mislead when hardcore gov. takes over after Bashar Assad.

Please inform yourself beside reading the headlines of MSM about what is going on in Syria.
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skialethia
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02:06 AM on 12/02/2011
There's so much propaganda circulating in the mainstream media regarding the situation in Syria. The game is being played to manufacture civil war there while the "Iraquization" of Iran is simultaneously playing out for consumption of the gullible sheepish masses which were so easily misled into war in 2003 and have learned nothing since.

But every now and then, outstide the mainstream, you pick up gems like the following article demonstrating breathtaking insight into what's REALLY going on in Syria.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/ML02Ak01.html
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with a white blaze
12:24 AM on 12/02/2011
Bye Bye Assad. Can you hear the tanks approaching?
08:46 PM on 12/01/2011
Nevermind how long the west is going to let this happen, How can Syria's arab neighbors allow this genocide to continue?
02:58 AM on 12/02/2011
This is exactly what the Saudi Gov., Qatar, the UAE, and the AKP party in Turkey and NATO forces want. We are having another Libya redo; with armed gangs and rebels well armed, financed and supported by GCC, the Saudis and NATO pushing for destabilization of Syria, killing civilians and Syrian soldiers and blaming it on Assad Gov.

Mega propaganda and disinformation about the Syrian Gov. is underway to bring down the Bashar Assad's Gov. and unfortunately, the people are once again being totally misinformed about the who is really doing what in Syria.

"Target Syria - the strategic prize that outstrips Libya. The stage is set. The stakes couldn't be higher. Libya 2.0 equals Syria? It's more like Libya 2.0 remix. With the same R2P (''responsibility to protect'') rationale - starring civilians bombed into ''democracy''.

It's no secret in Syria that armed gangs - from Salafis to petty criminals - have been attacking regular soldiers, the police and even civilians since the early stages of the protest movement. Of roughly 3,500 people killed during the past seven months, a large number of civilians and more than 1,100 soldiers were killed by these gangs.

And then there are the deserters. So when the Assad regime insists the current Syrian tragedy is to a great extent incited by well-paid and well-armed elements - not to mention mercenaries - at the service of foreign powers, it is essentially correct."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/ML02Ak01.html
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skialethia
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03:47 AM on 12/02/2011
Funny, I tried posting this earlier but as usual my posts either appear 2 hours late or are censored. It's an excellent piece of journalism, unlike the drivel that the echo-chamber mainstream is putting out.
01:50 PM on 12/05/2011
how can arabs alow to win jihadist elections country after country... we help them in Lybia......
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08:35 PM on 12/01/2011
No mention by the UN of the 48,000 Libyans killed by NATO (humanitarian) bombing raids?
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08:58 PM on 12/01/2011
actually only 127 people were killed by NATO strikes... Most of them were talking to the tank drivers when the bombs fell.

The rest of the 35000 people were fighting their own.
08:26 PM on 12/01/2011
Assad does the name Gaddafi ring a bell your going down the same road.
03:06 AM on 12/02/2011
In fact yes, the same gangs and rebels well armed and financed by foreign elements and NATO forces who destroyed virtually the whole infrastructure of Libya with cities bombed to dust, tens of thousands of dead and wounded, al-Qaeda-linked fanatics wielding power in Tripoli creating, widespread ethnic hatred is what the NATOGCC is doing to bring down Bashar Assad's Gov. and bombing civilians into "democracy".
08:21 PM on 12/01/2011
assad is a nazi

I didn't say it Erdogan did and he should know. Ie it takes one to know one
07:54 PM on 12/01/2011
The thread is about the Syrian dictatorship killing thousands of their own people and the number of Huffington Post leftists supporting the dictatorship and railing against the U.S. and Israel is stunning. But typical.
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08:37 PM on 12/01/2011
Syrian unrest is the result of a re-engineered "color revolution" strategy pursued by the US, Israel, and apparently Turkey. Unfortunately, there are people who "get it" with other wars - Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. - but fall for the "humanitarian" propaganda put forth by the Obama regime and its media allies with regard to Syria.
09:51 PM on 12/01/2011
"Syrian unrest is the result of a re-enginee­red "color revolution­" strategy pursued by the US, Israel, and apparently Turkey."

Paranoia big destroyer-----just look at the Arab Middle East.
03:12 AM on 12/02/2011
Rubiconski you are absolutely correct, add to your list the rest who are pursuing this "color revolution" - the Saudi Gov., Qatar and the UAE, along with the well armed gangs and rebels brought in from Libya to do the same to Syria.
10:47 PM on 12/01/2011
I'm a liberal, and I'm no fan of Israel, but I don't see how that has any relevance on this thread.
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12:30 PM on 12/02/2011
sweetie you wouldnt so much of it, 99% is very occluded. and many of the posters are very well informed, as skiaethia is. many have family or contacts there. i dont know it all and i have contacts! but believe me, they are up to their hips on this. nothing but nothing us happens there without their approval and the us is behind 90-95% of the arab spring. the president in yemen just stepped down and yemen was a proxy war. we wanted musbarak out and we got him out we want ghaddafi gone he is now gone. none of us have the big picture. israel wanted iran out, as insane as that happening sounded. war drums are beating and diplomats being expelled. threads like this are vital to keeping people inc me informed.
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05:47 PM on 12/01/2011
The slaughter of people is of no concern to Assad...they are not of his clan, so he could care less how many die.
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02:45 PM on 12/02/2011
he is trying to keep the sunnis in control nothing else.
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05:44 PM on 12/01/2011
Bullies and tyrants always fail, he will too...
06:39 PM on 12/01/2011
Lets just hope the house of Saud also falls
03:22 AM on 12/02/2011
The House of Saud is behind the arming and financing of rebels and helping to destabilize Syria in preparation for a regime change. They want the prize - Syria.

he House of Saud is the crucial link between the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt ; the AKP party in Turkey (which is essentially a Muslim Brotherhood lite); and the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria. The Saudis are crucial investors in Turkey. They are positioning themselves as major investors in Egypt. And they're dying to become a major investor in ''new'' Syria.
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Humanitari Leandro
12:50 PM on 12/02/2011
The Sauds are even lower than this dude, I really would love the USA stop all ties with a regime of male religious banana niut cases
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08:40 PM on 12/01/2011
Assad is vilified and demonized constantly by the minions of the 1%, like the Main $tream Media and the CIAs moles on this forum, and elsewhere.
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09:40 PM on 12/01/2011
Assad is a villain who should be vilified as was his father before him. This isn't about Main stream media or the CIA its about historical fact.

Some of us here are old enough to know real people who fled from the father or the son because of very real terror ... not some made up invention. Your babble is just that - babble
05:38 PM on 12/01/2011
Kindly tell me again why we can not support peoples fighting for freedom and democracy and support massmurdeing f**khead dictators all over the planet while beating our chest because we fight for freedom.