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U.S. Defense Industry Preparing For Leaner Times

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First Posted: 12/01/11 08:44 AM ET Updated: 12/01/11 08:44 AM ET

U.S. weapons makers told investors this week they are doing all they can to prepare for leaner and more uncertain U.S. defense budgets, including redoubling their efforts to cut costs, drum up export sales and sell more goods to commercial clients.

Industry executives and Pentagon officials say they are still sorting out the potential impact of an additional $600 billion in defense cuts over the next 10 years, on top of some $489 billion in cuts already being absorbed.

Even if those additional cuts can be averted, as Republicans hope, the industry is facing pressure on profit margins and a dearth of new programs after more than a decade of strong growth, industry executives and analysts agreed.

The Pentagon's No. 2 budget official, Mike McCord, told a conference hosted by Credit Suisse and Aviation Week that the fiscal 2013 defense budget proposal now being finalized already included cuts in the $40 billion-range from previous plans, following a cut of around $25 billion in fiscal 2012.

He said the White House had not ordered the Pentagon to revamp that plan to reflect another $50 billion in cuts, and it would be difficult, if not impossible, to do that in the few weeks before the budget documents must be completed.

"We're a little bit in the dark like everybody else is about the future of sequester," McCord said.

Clay Jones, chief executive of Rockwell Collins Inc (COL.N), a flight-controls supplier and subcontractor on many key weapons programs, said commercial sales would account for a growing share of his company's revenue as government orders declined.

"It's been a great ride," he told the conference. "The ride's over."

Rockwell Collins expects sustained double-digit growth in its commercial business but says its outlook for government sales is clouded by lingering uncertainty about the U.S. defense budgets for fiscal 2012 and beyond.

Bill Swanson, chief executive of Raytheon Co (RTN.N), said he was hopeful that Washington could avert the additional $600 billion in defense cuts but said his company had studied the potential impact of such cuts.

"We've got to be smaller, we've got to be more efficient. We'll get the job done," he said.

Raytheon, he said, was well positioned, given prospects for continued sales in the missile defense, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance, and cyber security areas.

International sales -- likely to account for 30 percent of Raytheon's bookings in 2011 -- would help the company offset the downturn in U.S. defense spending, he said.

Swanson cited arms sales already in the works or soon to be completed, naming Saudi Arabia, Taiwan, Kuwait, Turkey and Oman.

"We got a lot of activity in the pipeline," he said, noting that in addition to solid demand from the Middle East and Asia, Raytheon was also eyeing new orders from India, Brazil and other countries in South America.

The Navy's No. 2 acquisition official said the service had not yet been asked to plan for additional budget cuts, and there was no "convergence" within the Pentagon on how to deal with the possible additional cuts.

Vice Admiral Mark Skinner, principal military deputy to the Navy's acquisition chief, said budget plans submitted by the Navy and other military services to Pentagon leaders addressed only the initial round of cuts, not the additional $600 billion now on the table.

The Navy's share of the initial cuts is $9 billion to $10 billion in fiscal 2013, Skinner said.

"Sequestration is bad," he said, referring to the additional budget cuts required because a congressional "super committee" failed to agree on at least $1.2 trillion of deficit reduction over 10 years.

The cuts would affect all Pentagon programs across the board and could result in violations of existing multi-year contracts, he said. "We're going to break a lot of china," he told conference participants.

Shay Assad, the Pentagon's director of pricing, said the department was continuing its efforts to trim waste and improve oversight of billions of dollars of contracts.

He emphasized that the effort was not aimed at squeezing corporate profit margins, but said well-run companies deserved better results than those whose programs were over budget and behind schedule.

"We're raising the bar and the expectations of our workforce, and we expect the companies to do the same on their side of the table," Assad told the conference.

Swanson welcomed Pentagon efforts to reform the way it buys weapons and said Raytheon was continually trying to reduce its costs and safeguard its healthy profit margins.

But he said industry was also vigilant about taking on too much risk on new development programs, especially on bigger programs.

(Reporting by Andrea Shalal-Esa and Karen Jacobs; Editing by John Wallace and Gunna Dickson)

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05:17 PM on 12/01/2011
Can you imagine the waste in the black part of the military budget? What do you get with contractors and little oversight?
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Slick88
The Peoples Budget - Prosperity not Austerity
04:45 PM on 12/01/2011
Outlaw war profiteering and you'd save a lot more than this.
04:06 PM on 12/01/2011
"Swanson cited arms sales already in the works or soon to be completed, naming Saudi Arabia, Taiwan, Kuwait, Turkey and Oman."

Here's to hoping by arming our "allies" they aren't indirectly arming our enemies.
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Slick88
The Peoples Budget - Prosperity not Austerity
04:48 PM on 12/01/2011
10 years from now it's likely they will be our enemies. How do you think Iraq got their WMD's that they got rid of 10 years before we invaded?
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JudgementDay
02:40 PM on 12/01/2011
Here you all are complaining about defense technology, the contractor, and the spending. Do you even realize the amount of defense tech that is used by all of you everyday. How about the internet, GPS, telecommunications, oh and what about integrated circuit. With out the IC you wouldn't have your Iphones, computers, or any or the other gadgets that you can't live without. This tech is used by us all everyday, you may not want to admit it. I'm not saying that the defense budget can't be trimmed, because it can and needs to be. I'm just saying that are a lot of unintended consequences to these types of actions. You think it's hard to get a job now, you just wait until all of the scientist, engineers, highly skilled technicians, and laborers are unemployed and enter the job market. Think before you act, and before you act...think about it again. If our politicians followed this theory, our country would be in a much better place. All to often they (both sides) act on knee jerk reactions, and screw "we the people" in the process.
05:15 PM on 12/01/2011
So your saying that the military lets all their precious technological secrets out in the market place where our enemies can steal it so we can have better frying pans? So then lets spend the money on the space program and build something instead of destroying things for a change? That produces many innovations too. We the people are tired of spending as much as the next 6 militaries combined and feeling the need to use it all the time sticking our noses in everybodies business.
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JudgementDay
12:00 PM on 12/02/2011
Well, at least you choose a fitting name for yourself. You're certainly are not making sense now.
Where to begin....OK
Nasa doesn't really build anything. They don't build space shuttle, satellites, or parts for the space stations. They do not have the manufacturing capabilities and they don't want them. That being said, how do you think that NASA gets their equipment? Wait for it......Through contractors....that's right. Now, guess who a very large majority of those contractors are. I'll give you a hint, their names rhyme with Lockheed-Martin, General Dynamics, L-3 Communications, and Northrup Grummon to name a few. So, defense contractor do "build something instead of destroying things".
"So your saying that the military lets all their precious technologi­cal secrets out in the market place where our enemies can steal it" -- REALLY! That's the best you can come up? It's called "Declassification". Intelligence 101 Wiki explains it fairly well.
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BBQribsNOnapkin
tl; dr
02:36 PM on 12/01/2011
The budget is not being cut. The rate of increase is being slowed. There is a difference. It'd be like saying your salary was getting "cut" after you learned that you were only getting a 5% raise and not a 10%. That would be a lie.

Also, when adjusted for inflation, the US is spending more annually on the military than anytime since 1943-45, and when you consider why we were spending that money then compared to why we are spending it today...it's just mind boggling/depressing.

And some people "wonder" why we have no money. Right.
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Josh Crawford
Just the facts, man!
03:11 PM on 12/01/2011
Absolutely. If the automatic cuts go into effect as currently written defense spending will "only" increase by 20% over ten years instead of by 26% if the cuts aren't made. Big whup!
02:30 PM on 12/01/2011
The cuts that the military will see in the auto cuts amounts to what we will leave in Iraq because they lost the key to unlock it or to start it up! Let the country that has our military station in their country by their request pay the tab in full for the base and cost of equipment and personnel or bring them back to the states.
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disporting
Weapons not food, not homes, not shoes
02:22 PM on 12/01/2011
Well, that's a start, not nearly enough is cut that needs to be. The cold war is over.
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BBQribsNOnapkin
tl; dr
02:39 PM on 12/01/2011
Not need, just feed the war cannibal animal.

F&F
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disporting
Weapons not food, not homes, not shoes
05:24 PM on 12/01/2011
I walk tha corner to tha rubble that used to be a library
Line up to tha mind cemetary now.

F&F as well.
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LiamMc
02:19 PM on 12/01/2011
Training today to meet the challenges of tomorrow: Xe Services, LLC.
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Josh Crawford
Just the facts, man!
03:12 PM on 12/01/2011
Erik Prince is a dangerous man, even though he doesn't run Xe anymore.
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GandenT
02:01 PM on 12/01/2011
"..the industry is facing pressure on profit margins" -- what a joke. Weapons have one of the highest profit margins on earth, right up there with drugs.
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Erudite2U
01:58 PM on 12/01/2011
I find it very crass that these company men would define the slaughter of millions around the world as "a great ride".

Since we, as a nation, build and sell more weapons than any other country, you can bet that pretty GDP number they've been shoving down our throats for the last several years will go down to reflect the true folly of America's quest to dominate world peace through military intervention.
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cromag
two parties is the problem
01:18 PM on 12/01/2011
While defense spending needs to be severely overhauled; the 'cut it all' comments are just stupid. Do you want to add that many to the unemployment lines? Where are all these "the money could create other jobs' now and why aren't they already filled?

Lets start with dumping any new plane or ship project; ten years of ground war shows how little they are still needed.
Cut foreign military aid.
Cut any project with more than 7 years of development; the environment it was requested for no longer exists.
01:56 PM on 12/01/2011
And lets' cut out the overpriced mercenaries such as that Blackwater group of ... what ever they are. Likened to undiplomatic neantherdal ruffians with high powered guns as the hearsay goes.
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ChiBloger
And the truth shall set us ALL free
02:05 PM on 12/01/2011
“While defense spending needs to be severely overhauled¬; the 'cut it all' comments are just stupid. Do you want to add that many to the unemployme¬nt lines?â€

And now, for the rest of the iceberg. The most of the jobs that are created by these people are to be used in an actual war. This is why we have not been without one for some time. Do you really believe that these people stand back and wait until plains, and tanks and bombs rot on a field in Arizona or in some warehouse in Texas? No, these people on a high level are totally vested in our next war. Good money is made in the factories but the really good money is made in the boardrooms of defense contractors. Our sons and daughters get the crapy portion of the money and the risk of losing their lives in so called service to our country. It’s service to them but a profit stream to the military industrial complex.
We still needs schools, roads and other infrastructure. THATS where we need to put this money and the the jobs.
01:15 PM on 12/01/2011
In WWII, peacetime manufacturers retooled their lines to produce war materiel. Now it's time for these defense contractors to do the opposite. Figure out how to use their R&D and plant personnel to create new products for peaceful purposes.
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Erudite2U
02:01 PM on 12/01/2011
Nice dream, but they won't change an industry they profit from. There is no vision in the plants that create destruction, only the sound of silence from their victims.
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Christopher Hamilton
DC liberal, and proud of it!
01:10 PM on 12/01/2011
Maybe it's time to repurpose some of their R&D to peaceful uses. Plowshares are a surging market segment!
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ChiBloger
And the truth shall set us ALL free
02:07 PM on 12/01/2011
I don’t know about plowshares but solar, wind, and other non polluting forms of energy would be a good direction.
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Anarchy4hire
Don't you love your guns, god, government?
12:51 PM on 12/01/2011
"it's been a great ride"

can you imagine that he is talking about selling death machines.....how black can his heart be?
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PitBull6
01:05 PM on 12/01/2011
It's a business, not a charity. I can see why you think that sounds bad, but it's a bit out of context. Others see those as life machines.
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Erudite2U
02:01 PM on 12/01/2011
PitBull6... Your moral compass needs a little fine tuning...
Line drive to left field
Mehr Sein als Scheinen
02:28 PM on 12/01/2011
He sells flight controls...not "Death Machines"...you guys on the left need to get a grip and open your eyes to the real world. You should try looking at it this way...if we have a bigger stick then maybe those that would try to attack us may think twice before doing so.
RoryBellows
My Micro-Bio is Empty.
12:38 PM on 12/01/2011
To offset these losses, U.S. weapons makers are redoubling their efforts to sell more goods to commercial clients? Does this mean that corporations will soon have their own standing armies?
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Joe Fortier
12:40 PM on 12/01/2011
If corporations are still considered people in two years, I'll bet my bottom dollar they'll cite their 2nd Amendment right to bear arms with a bit of policy maneuvering that allows them, as unaccountable citizens, to fire upon and suppress protesters as they see fit...that way the government doesn't have to get its hands dirty.
12:43 PM on 12/01/2011
Bloomberg is building his own army NYPD buying sophisticated equipment to make the police state stronger.