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Barney Frank: Majority Of Democrats Will Support Amending Defense Cut Trigger

First Posted: 12/04/11 11:39 AM ET Updated: 12/04/11 12:15 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- Retiring Congressman Barney Frank (D-Mass.) spilled a few beans on Sunday morning when he said a majority of Democrats would sign off on a deal to lessen the military cuts that will result from the super committee's failure.

Appearing on ABC's "This Week," the Massachusetts Democrat was discussing the irony that, for the first time in recent memory, legislative inaction now favors his party. If Congress does nothing, by the end of 2012 the Bush tax cuts will expire and the defense budget will be slashed by $600 billion (the latter being part of the cuts that were triggered because of the super committee's inability to reach a deal). This would, Frank predicted, compel Republicans lawmakers to compromise. And on the defense cuts, they would find willing partners across the aisle.

"I'd be ready to live with the military cuts in the sequester," Frank said. "But I think there would be a majority of Democrats saying, 'You know what, we want some military reductions. We don't need to continue to protect Germany against Stalin. But we will compromise.' So I think what we are going to see this year, because of the consequences of inaction, is an unusual situation where there will be action on both an amendment to the sequester and to the taxes."

With Frank declining to run for reelection, his usual candid style has become even more forthright. But while amending the defense budget portion of the sequester may seem like the logical end game as Congress weighs its impact in the months ahead, President Obama and his aides have been absolutely adamant that he will veto any such move.

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WASHINGTON -- Retiring Congressman Barney Frank (D-Mass.) spilled a few beans on Sunday morning when he said a majority of Democrats would sign off on a deal to lessen the military cuts that will resu...
WASHINGTON -- Retiring Congressman Barney Frank (D-Mass.) spilled a few beans on Sunday morning when he said a majority of Democrats would sign off on a deal to lessen the military cuts that will resu...
 
 
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Mafdet 12:28 PM on 12/04/2011
So we're going to step up our involvement in the Middle East, then. Because there is no other reason why we would continue to spend at war-time levels. But now what are we going to spend on? We have replaced Humvees with MRAPS (10,000 or so). We have replaced all body armor. Helicopter manufacturers got a nice big award last summer. We have replaced all heavy, medium and light utility vehicles. Fleets of  Read More...
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bobcat4evah
06:22 PM on 12/06/2011
Read "One Nation Under Arms" by Todd Purdum in latest VF. No one is going to lay a glove on the MIC now - it's gone too far and really is a giant squid attached to the cellular makeup of this country. We have lost that dream some of us learned about when we were very very young. (Those of us old enough to remember - most of you never knew it to begin with).

The private papers of the late George F. Kennan, Cold War architect and diplomat extraordinaire, reveal his anguish over the way his famous 1947 warning about Soviet expansionism helped transform the America he loved into one he no longer recognized: a national-security state. A half-century after a similarly historic warning—President Dwight D. Eisenhower’s speech about the dangers of a powerful “military-industrial complex”—Todd S. Purdum shows how completely Kennan’s and Eisenhower’s worst fears have been realized.
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Veritas vos Liberabit
05:07 PM on 12/05/2011
By the headline I thought he was finally going to admit to the obvious, he knew about the pot farm in his backyard, he knew about the prostitution ring being run out of his home, he knew he was nuking the US economy with his "FFriend" at Fannie.....................
02:43 PM on 12/05/2011
what he's saying.. is they will compromise on republican agenda items.. and stick it to social programs. This is just more of the same.. passing right wing legislation with a FAKE dem govt. obama == bush.. and most of the so called left are just dino's. imagine not one veto by obama.. it's full speed ahead with the bush agenda.. no change another election lost to fraud, another puppet installed.. which corporate fish we gonna choose next time? The vote only matters if we have candidates who are genuine instead of corporate fabrications like obama. Democracy cannot exist without a free media. our media has exited the stage a long time ago. we're now just a police state with a few tattered ruminants of a constitution. obama == bush == clinton == the next president.. no change.. elections have nothing to do with policy.. they only choose the puppets. same wars.. same patriot(sic) act, same gitmo.. same tax cuts, same corporate welfare and corruption, same refusal to investigate and prosecute corruption crimes and treason in govt, same whistle blower persecution.
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George Hanshaw
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
08:24 PM on 12/05/2011
"what he's saying.. is they will compromise on republican agenda items.. and stick it to social programs."

What he's saying is that even the dems realize that their agenda is guerrilla theater for the base, NOT reality. The reality is that if you extrapolate out current entitlement levels with an aging population, IT SIMPLY CAN'T BE DONE. The money isn't there, even if you ELIMINATE the Defense budget in its entirety.

Ultimately the dems have only two possibilities:

1. Ride the economy into destruction.
2. Throw an election and let the repubs have control of Congress and the Presidency, and demagogue against them after-the-fact when THEY make the necessary cutbacks in entitlements to make them sustainable.

Option one will mean the destruction of the dem party - in it's entirety.
Option two would give them a chance to convince the most gullible of their constituents that they were the good guys but the repubs 'stole' the election and they screwed entitlements.

My guess is the dems will will go to option two, particularly if the repubs manage to nominate some thoroughly dislikeable guy like the Amphib.
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Gary Crum
01:36 PM on 12/05/2011
we all know that defense department expenditures are a huge boondoggle; that millions of jobs and billions of dollars go to the states and districts of the most powerful legislators as "pork"...and, if there's a meaningful cut in defense spending, some of that pork will be cut...ouch, it's easy to support those cuts if we can be sure they won't occur here. NIMBY is alive and well in Congress
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George Hanshaw
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
08:26 PM on 12/05/2011
And 'Amtrak money' goes to states without any passenger rail, even Hawaii.

Every 'compromise' involves buying votes.
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ennis438
12:47 PM on 12/05/2011
Any one from any party who refuses to ax the wasteful spending of the Defense Dept. is not serious about getting spending under control and deserves defeat in their next election. These people are more interested in the corporate bribes coming their way than doing what is right to get the Bushrag deficit spending under control.
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Izzymeister
Crush & Flush the GOP 2012 !!!!
12:19 PM on 12/05/2011
NINE HUNDRED (900) military bases worldwide.

Yet we also have enough submarines, carriers and destroyers in the oceans to police the entire world.

What are we doing?????????
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iskra
Natural enemy of sharks and tro//s
12:21 PM on 12/05/2011
Supporting the MIC
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wizeanne
04:10 PM on 12/05/2011
iskra...also add Mossad...and .shortly the Majadeen...once Congress votes to take off them official "terrorist list."
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Brian Novotny
What happened to Democracy?
12:25 PM on 12/05/2011
They are protecting themselves from anyone who disagrees with them imposing their moral doctorate on anyone whom they so choose in the name of freedom and liberty but in reality capitalism and greed
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theerrantsoul
12:16 PM on 12/05/2011
I'm with Obama on this one. The plan was laid out, and the consequences were clear. Time for America to put on its big boy pants and accept those consequences.
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Sierra97
Liberal Republican
12:33 PM on 12/05/2011
Any moment a politician shows a spine, I'm with them. He better not cave on this one too.
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George Hanshaw
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
08:28 PM on 12/05/2011
"I'm with Obama on this one"

Obama doesn't want this to happen any more than any other gutless politician does. He is an advocate of the big(ger) government model. He'd much rather just raise taxes.
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theerrantsoul
01:43 PM on 12/07/2011
Sure, and Karl Rove came to my house and touched me in my no-zone.

Isn't it great, the stuff we get to say when we don't need to offer any proof?
cureyourosity
INDEPENDENT--cuz the other two parties suck
11:58 AM on 12/05/2011
Legislative in action by his party is not "revealing" at all. It's only been 950 days since the senate has passed a federal budget. There are 25 bipartisan job bills that are still waiting for Senate action--I'm leaning on the side that the DEMs will reject/ignore them too. In May Obama and Paul Ryan gave them budgets and the Senate DEMS rejected those too. and didn't pass one of their own...The whole lot of them are truly a waste of tax payers money.
Let's not forget that there will also be cuts to medicaid and other social services as well. All in all when we spend 8% more every year 1.3 trillion dollar cuts over 10yrs doesn't do DIDDLY SQUAT!
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spud3
Forward into oblivion
12:20 PM on 12/05/2011
How in the world is a budget never presented. Talk about dysfunctional.
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chriss0114
the meanderings of a madman
02:24 PM on 12/05/2011
Obama's budget was never presented to the senate--you are thinking of that ridiculous stunt by the turtle when he unconstitutionally tried to amend it to a bill so it would get a nay vote as it could only get because it was unconstitutional--the vote was whether to add it to the bill and it was merely designed to embarass the president--the turtle said so--petulant child that he is

how embararassing it is to be a Repub today or even to vote for a Repub candidate!

all budgets must begin in the house period per the constitution

only the so-called Ryan plan which raises the deficit enormously while eviscerating many programs and is unacceptable to many Repubs and virtually all Dems and would be vetoed by the president anyway

there was also a progressive budget that did not get much press

but the house must pass any buget bill before it goes to the senate for consideration
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Keith Dyett
I'm sure a lot of you have tripped out on alcohol.
05:10 AM on 12/06/2011
Wait did Barney Franks not say a "MAJORITY" of Democrats would not support any cuts, what does the Republicans have to do with this... Key word here is "DEMOCRAT" Stop blaming the otherside for everything, Democrats control the Senate and the Whitehouse, I think it would be more embarrassing to vote for a "Gutless" Democrat....
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billtmore
Bush the fratboy. Rmoney the bully boy
11:52 AM on 12/05/2011
Yup you just never know when N. Korea will throw a few nukes at us and come sailing over with their million man army. We would be toast if we cut back on our military even one red cent! If only CH bush and Cheney had invaded a country that had real nuclear weapons
02:51 PM on 12/05/2011
we have over 2000 nuclear warheads.. no one is invading the usa.. we have trident missile submarines and land launched missiles that can totally annihilate the planet.. THE PLANET.. we're pretty safe.. from external threat. the ONLY threat to this country is the hijacking of it's own govt by vast pockets of wealth.. and the destruction of its constitution from within. as is going on right now with te patriot(sic) act and the lies from our govt. Our govts true and moral enemy is the truth. Nothing will destroy you more surely than exposing the truth. Any military component outside us territory is an offensive force not a defensive one. recalling all our armed forces to within our own borders would help stop much of the hatred aimed at the usa.. abandoning our pet dictators and allowing other nations peoples freedom would help too. our own govts ROT is worse and more insidious than the rest. Our govt will be our demise not north korea.
11:46 AM on 12/05/2011
So barney will start telling the truth now that he is not going to run for re-erection ?
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spud3
Forward into oblivion
12:21 PM on 12/05/2011
Barney is the poster person for dysfunctional.
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Sierra97
Liberal Republican
12:34 PM on 12/05/2011
He isn't saying anything nobody knew before. Mr. Frank is just being more frank.
11:34 AM on 12/05/2011
It is insane the money we spend on our military. We could buy whole countries for the money we spend on our military. It should have been cut along time ago. Obama get out your veto pen!
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spud3
Forward into oblivion
12:23 PM on 12/05/2011
Remember hope and change.
Were gonna flash solar panels in the eyes of the enemy and hope they can't see us.
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Sierra97
Liberal Republican
12:37 PM on 12/05/2011
Global control via a military is obsolete. Its the economy that drives everything. Think about it, if it were only a military, then China would fear us and forgive our debt to them. If it were only a military then OPEC would be dropping the price of oil to pre-80's levels.

All our problems are economically driven and can be solved in that way. Grow up and evolve past the "Hulk SMASH!!" foreign policy you currently live in.
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chriss0114
the meanderings of a madman
02:29 PM on 12/05/2011
we will be buying solar and green tech from China because we have not been adequately investing in that tech as they do in tech and education

China will be richer for it as we drift more torwards third world status and they overtake us economically as we invest less in tech and in education
11:13 AM on 12/05/2011
So if O gets a bipartisian bill from congress that cut's spending he will veto it so the defense is gutted - brilliant.
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Billyguitar
Disgusted by politics since John Anderson lost. In
11:43 AM on 12/05/2011
Why do we need a huge army? No more Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, or Imperial Japan. Are we really afraid of having a ground war with N. Korea, Iran, China? I don't think so.
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chriss0114
the meanderings of a madman
02:32 PM on 12/05/2011
we could cut it by 75% and still fight the world and win

get the facts and get a grip

read up on Marine General Smedley Butler, the most decorated and two-time MOH recipient as well as President Ike who both warned about the military industrial complex

also read 1984

war is meant to be continuous, not won--war is a racket
11:13 AM on 12/05/2011
Democrats are very intent on weakening our Military in favor of Social spending so they can get reelected.
If liberals think irresponsible spending and raising taxes while working people are cutting back gets Democrats elected, then that is exactly what they will do, regardless of the will of the people.
This is obviously going to backfire just like it did in last Novembers elections with landslide victory for conservatism. So go live in that Bubble, it's coming around again to bite them in the head.
Any of the Candidates would be better than the most unqualified and worst President ever.
And Frank; Good riddance he (Dodd Frank Bill) single handedly destroyed the Housing market. He should be arrested, not celebrated.
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kcwookie
Well behaved workers seldom prosper.
11:27 AM on 12/05/2011
Nice try, if we can't afford to take care of our own, why worry about defending them?
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IronicTwist
There's a method to my madness
11:55 AM on 12/05/2011
Brilliant ...

Fanned!
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spud3
Forward into oblivion
12:26 PM on 12/05/2011
Lets produce more welfare babies so we can get more voters to vote for us huh?
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Billyguitar
Disgusted by politics since John Anderson lost. In
11:45 AM on 12/05/2011
Bulloney about Frank & Dodd. Just because Rush told you so, It's just not true. I never heard of either of them in a loan office forcing people to sign loans when they weren't qualified.
12:24 PM on 12/05/2011
The coercion was directed at the banks to make the risky loans; if they didn't, they got fined, or worse. Every time Congress dinks with the economy, it goes to hell in a handbasket.
What is the opposite of progress? Con-gress.
05:25 PM on 12/05/2011
Maybe because you fall at the alter of pMSNBC you never hear the truth or anything that would give you some kind of independent thought. The Liberal media has you busy looking the other way and keeping you dumbed down. You would do good to get a dose of Rush or Levin to counter the Liberal half truths and intellectually dishonest reporting you digest. Your problem with Glenn Beck and all the Radio guys is that they destroy and expose all your weakness and shedding light on the truth, something that counters your belief system
It is fact that the Frank Dodd bill forced banks to give loans to people who wouldn't otherwise qualify. AKA Socialism which is exactly what Liberalism is all about.

"Frank applauded efforts to “make homeownership available to people who might not on their own in a market situation be able to afford it.” The pursuit of this policy led to the erosion of lending standards, the proliferation of risky mortgages, and the inflation of a bubble in housing prices."
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/243350/dont-bank-bill-editors
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11:08 AM on 12/05/2011
(sigh) Why am I not surprised?
10:56 AM on 12/05/2011
The Military-Industrial complex is the only manufacturing base the US has. All the Politician's owe their money to Corporate Military contractors. They'll say it's about the soldiers and veterans - just like everything is about the children - but of course they would be lying. There is SO much to cut out of the waste in the Military without ever having to go near the troops funding. Is ther one honest man in our Government?
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Billyguitar
Disgusted by politics since John Anderson lost. In
11:46 AM on 12/05/2011
Very good point. Cut off money to the contractors and 'security' people.
11:47 AM on 12/05/2011
NO !!!