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Bronx Household Of Faith Awaits Supreme Court Decision Over Worship Services In Public School

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By JIM FITZGERALD   12/ 4/11 11:57 AM ET  AP

NEW YORK -- A Christian congregation with just 48 members and not even a storefront is hoping the Supreme Court will overturn a ruling that says holding its Sunday service in a Bronx public school is unconstitutional.

At issue is a New York City Board of Education policy that allows community groups, including religious ones, to use its buildings, but specifically excludes worship services.

A divided federal appeals court upheld the policy in June, reversing a district judge. The Supreme Court is considering whether to review the case and could decide that on Monday. If it grants review, its eventual opinion could be a landmark decision, the church's lawyer says.

Robert Hall, co-pastor of the evangelical Bronx Household of Faith, said last week that his little group never expected to get involved in a big-time court case that has now lasted 17 years.

"I can assure you this wasn't strategic planning on our part," the 68-year-old Minnesota native said. "Basically we just outgrew the place we were meeting," a Christian halfway house for men.

In 1994, church leaders looked at the nearby public school in its University Heights neighborhood, applied for a permit to hold its worship service there, and were denied.

That began a legal wrangle that reached the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals four times as Supreme Court decisions came down and the law evolved.

An early key moment came in 1995 when Hall, who has been with the church for 39 years, heard Alliance Defense Fund staff attorney Jordan Lorence on the radio, discussing barriers to religious rights.

"He called me up and said, `We're facing that issue right here,'" Lorence said.

Enter the ADF, a conservative group that says it champions "the legal defense of religious freedom, the sanctity of life, marriage and the family." It has been on the case since and is bearing the costs. Lorence is the lead attorney.

"We took the case to defend the First Amendment principle of equal access," Lorence said. "This is private religious speech and we're requesting equal access to meet in the buildings the way New York City allows all other community groups to meet."

In 2002, during a time when the city was enjoined from enforcing its policy, the Household of Faith began using Public School 15, and it has been there ever since.

In its most recent ruling, in June, the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals noted that the while city policy excludes religious worship from its buildings, it does not exclude "prayer, singing hymns, religious instruction, expression of religious devotion, or the discussion of issues from a religious point of view."

The court found the distinction reasonable, saying that when worship services are held in a school, "The place has, at least for a time, become the church."

The court said the distinction accommodated a 2001 Supreme Court decision allowing a Christian organization to use public school facilities. It also was a reasonable way for the city to avoid violating the Constitution's prohibition on government favoring any religion, the court said.

The Board of Education praised the ruling, saying it was "concerned about having any school in this diverse city identified with one particular religious belief or practice." However, it is allowing the 60 or so congregations that now hold services in schools to continue, pending Supreme Court action.

Lorence said the distinction between religious expression and worship is arbitrary.

"You can have singing and prayer and Bible study, with all the elements of what people traditionally understand a worship service to be, but you can't have a worship service?" he said.

He theorized that a group could hold a worship service and not call it that, "and the school district will need a theologian to figure out whether the group is conducting a worship service or not."

Hall said the Household of Faith's service lasts 90 minutes or more and includes Scripture readings, hymns, communion with grape juice and bread, preaching and "spontaneous prayer" from the congregation.

Lorence said he found "bizarre" the concept that the auditorium at Public School 15 becomes a church if worship is conducted there.

"When a labor union meets there, it doesn't turn into a labor hall," he said. "When Alcoholics Anonymous meets there, it doesn't turn into the Betty Ford Clinic."

But Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, said, "When a church sets up shop in a public school in a manner that conveys the appearance that the church is part of, or officially favored by, the school, it seems to run afoul of the separation of church and state."

Lorence predicted the Supreme Court would grant review and reverse the 2nd Circuit. But if not, he said, "It's over for the Bronx Household of Faith" because he can no longer go back to the 2nd Circuit.

"We're at high noon here," he said.

Pastor Hall said the church isn't worried. Though the church office is Hall's home, and some of their meetings are held in backyards, they are raising funds to complete construction of a building across from P.S. 15 that would handle all their needs, including youth ministry and worship services.

"Nobody's getting angry, there's no bad-mouthing the Board of Ed," he said. "We're kind of rolling with the punches and trusting in the Lord that he will work things out according to his good wisdom."

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Michele Somerville
12:55 PM on 12/08/2011
Read my non-opinion on this church & state question
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http://tinyurl.com/34nz4zn
11:23 AM on 12/05/2011
I have a question. Is the congregation going to rent the space from the City? Do the other community groups rent the space? If the space is rented out, I don't see a problem with the congregation renting it out. If, on the other hand, the space is provided free of charge, to the taxpayer, then it shouldn't be provided to the church free of charge because they are tax-exempt.
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FrogLight316
09:13 AM on 12/05/2011
Clearly there is now a state sponsored religion and its belief system is based on the denial of all traditional religious beliefs and expressions of faith. Like it or not it takes both reason and faith in particular premises to deny Christian beliefs e.g. There is no God. There is no after life. There are no miracles.
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Allen Bouchard
I worship His Divine Shadow.
08:58 AM on 12/05/2011
"I can assure you this wasn't strategic planning on our part,"

"they are raising funds to complete construction of a building across from P.S. 15 that would handle all their needs, including youth ministry and worship services."

The second statement reveals the lie in the first statement.
VA Jill
Retired RN, Army mom. Bring the troops home!
08:51 AM on 12/05/2011
What is the big deal? It's off hours, nobody is forced to attend or listen, and the group pays rent. This is not uncommon in other states, why does somebody in New York have their drawers in such a wad over it?
02:57 PM on 12/05/2011
Bc today it's a Christian group. Tomorrow it's a Muslim group. Day after it's the Church of Satan. Then a Pagan Group. Then a Santeria group.

I don't have a problem w/any of the groups...but I do have a problem w/a public school being used for religious purposes. Let one and everyone will want a piece of the action.
11:37 PM on 12/04/2011
The government does not support or endorse religion. At best it accommodates religion and does not stand in its way.

If this religious group is an arms-length tenant that pays rent and does no harm to the facility and does no proselytizing in regard to the building's other users they should be allowed to use it for their purpose just like any other tenant would be allowed to use it of its purpose.
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FreedomBeforeSecurity
Primary: The only time we truly control our future
09:46 PM on 12/04/2011
So then I assume the pastors won't mind if a wiccan coven, or a mosque decides to setup shop there?
02:57 PM on 12/05/2011
See that's what I'm saying.
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gypsysailor
Things that might have been never were.
09:10 PM on 12/04/2011
Sounds to me like a good way for the school system to get some badly needed cash. The building is not in use on Sunday so why not?
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NYC07
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08:48 PM on 12/04/2011
This must only apply to schools run by the Board of Ed, as there is at least one public college in the city that allows a church to use it facilities for worship.
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Allen Bouchard
I worship His Divine Shadow.
08:50 AM on 12/05/2011
"a New York City Board of Education policy that allows community groups, including religious ones, to use its buildings, but specifically excludes worship services."

It's a NYC policy. Is the college under the jurisdiction of the city, or of the state?
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NYC07
Ceci n'est pas un micro-bio
10:03 AM on 12/05/2011
Though part of the City Univ system as it is a 4 yr school it is under the control of the State.
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MikeyJaii
Socialism.
08:35 PM on 12/04/2011
Not allowed. No excuse.
Olethea
Life may be sweeter for this- I don't know.
08:25 PM on 12/04/2011
At issue is a New York City Board of Education policy that allows community groups, including religious ones, to use its buildings, but specifically excludes worship services.

The rules seem clear here.
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Allen Bouchard
I worship His Divine Shadow.
08:51 AM on 12/05/2011
"How dare they deny us based on a policy that is equally applied to everyone. We're Christians and we demand special treatment."
Olethea
Life may be sweeter for this- I don't know.
07:30 PM on 12/06/2011
Exactly!
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PrairieGayCompanion
Everything red will be blue again.
08:17 PM on 12/04/2011
New churches here often rent space in public schools for Sunday services. Why is this a problem? If that is the case, then other organizations like Boy Scouts should also be prohibited. Renting space does not materially alter the function and purpose of the facility. A job fair does not turn it into an employment office. A carnival doesn't turn it into a fair grounds. A dance doesn't turn it into a cabaret.
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Allen Bouchard
I worship His Divine Shadow.
08:54 AM on 12/05/2011
I would normally agree that the Boy Scouts, as a religious organization, shouldn't be rented space in schools. But under the NYC Board of Ed.'s policy, they would be allowed the space since they don't hold worship services. They definitely shouldn't be allowed to recruit on school property.
02:58 PM on 12/05/2011
I don't think Boy Scouts exist in the NYC public school system. For so many obvious reasons.
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Sandy Werner
What A Piece of Work Is Man
07:13 PM on 12/04/2011
As long as there are no services or prayers on school days, what's the problem?
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DannyEVillage
07:09 PM on 12/04/2011
uh...don't they meet on Sundays? How can it possibly matter? It's not as if they're coming in during class and proselytizing. Jeez. As long as they pay rent and don't bug building personnel with their religion, leave 'em alone.
07:08 PM on 12/04/2011
My goodness if no one is using the building who cares.  Let them use the building.  First its public property and should be open to be used by the public especially if they are willing to pay the extra costs incurred by their use and they don't destroy it or mess it up in any way.