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Yvo de Boer, Ex-U.N. Climate Chief, Says Talks Are Rudderless

ARTHUR MAX   12/ 4/11 10:01 AM ET   AP

DURBAN, South Africa — Yvo de Boer said he left his job as the U.N.'s top climate official in frustration 18 months ago, believing the process of negotiating a meaningful climate agreement was failing. His opinion hasn't changed.

"I still have the same view of the process that led me to leave the process," he told The Associated Press Sunday. "I'm still deeply concerned about where it's going, or rather where it's not going, about the lack of progress."

For three years until 2010, the Dutch civil servant was the leading voice on global warming on the world stage. He appeared constantly in public to advocate green policies, traveled endlessly for private meetings with top leaders and labored with negotiators seeking ways to finesse snags in drafting agreements.

In the end he felt he "wasn't really able to contribute as I should be to the process," he said.

Today he can take a long view on his years as a Dutch negotiator in the 1990s and later as a senior U.N. official with access to the highest levels of government, business and civil society. He is able to voice criticisms he was reluctant to air when he was actively shepherding climate diplomacy.

Negotiators live "in a separate universe," and the ongoing talks are "like a log that's drifted away," he said. Then, drawing another metaphor from his rich reservoir, he called the annual 194-nation conferences "a bit of a mouse wheel."

De Boer spoke to the AP on the sidelines of the latest round of talks in this South African port city, which he is attending as a consultant for the international accounting firm KPMG.

Elsewhere in Durban Sunday, the South African host of the talks called for divine help at a climate change church service organized by the South African Council of Churches.

"We needed to pray for (an) acceptable, balanced outcome, that has a sense of urgency," said Maite Nkoana-Mashabane, who as South Africa's foreign minister is president of the Durban round of negotiations. Priests laid their hands on her head in blessing during the service.

De Boer said world leaders have failed to become deeply engaged in efforts to reach an international accord to control greenhouse gas emissions causing global warming. In recent years, their inattention has been compounded by their preoccupation with the economic and Eurozone crises.

Negotiators have been at the job so long – since the 1992 climate convention – that they have lost touch with the real world, he said. But it wasn't their fault.

"I completely understand that it is very difficult for a negotiator to move if you haven't been given a political sense of direction and the political space to move," he said, chatting on a hilltop terrace overlooking the Indian Ocean.

Rather than act in their own national interests, many leaders look to see what others are willing – or unwilling – to concede.

"You've got a bunch of international leaders sitting 85 stories up on the edge of a building saying to each other, you jump first and I'll follow. And there is understandably a reluctance to be the first one to jump," he said.

The 2009 Copenhagen summit was a breaking point. Expectations soared that the conference would produce an accord setting firm rules for bringing down global carbon emissions. When delegates fell short, hopes remained high that President Barack Obama, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, most of Europe's heads of government and more than 100 other top leaders would save the day at the last minute.

De Boer said he spent the last 24 hours of the summit in "a very small and very smelly room" with about 20 prime ministers and presidents, but the time was not ripe for the hoped-for international treaty.

Obama still hoped to push domestic legislation through the Senate, and any prior commitment to a U.N. treaty would have killed his chances. The bill died anyway. China and India, too, were not ready in Copenhagen to accept internationally binding limits on their emissions.

Many Americans, he said, have still not bought into the "green story," he said. In the meantime, the U.S. is losing a competitive edge against China, which is investing heavily to shift the course of its economy – from which it will benefit regardless of the global warming issue, he said.

Despite their failures, De Boer said he thought most leaders sincerely want a deal on climate change.

"I do not see the negotiating process being able to rise to that challenge, being capable of delivering on that," he said. "I believe the sincerity on the part of world leaders is there, but it's almost as though they do not have control of the process that's suppose to take them there."

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dasunx
Spend What You Have, Not What You Don't Have....
12:59 PM on 12/07/2011
Phil Jones, Climate 1 & 2 Chief contemplated suicide..................

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/02/08/climategate-scientist-contemplated-suicide/
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maybealittlecommonsense
kick it root down
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Dallas Dunlap
10:19 AM on 12/06/2011
Financial Post McKittrick exposed: http://deepclimate.org/
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Publicola
Facts are stubborn things
02:13 PM on 12/06/2011
Ross McKitrick: God Will Protect Us From Global Warming

Financial Post OpEd writer / economist Ross McKitrick preaches that per the Bible God will protect us from global warming, along with other prominent global warming "skeptics" / Christian Fundamentalist signatories of the Cornwall Alliance For The Stewardship Of Creation's "Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming":

http://www.cornwallalliance.org/articles/read/an-evangelical-declaration-on-global-warming/
http://www.cornwallalliance.org/blog/item/prominent-signers-of-an-evangelical-declaration-on-global-warming/

More from the Cornwall Alliance on their belief that per Biblical prophesy God will protect us from global warming:

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The world is in the grip of an idea: that burning fossil fuels... is causing global warming that will be so dangerous that we must stop it by reducing our use...

We believe that idea... fails the tests of theology... with a worldview of the Earth and its climate system contrary to that taught in the Bible...
 
God’s wisdom, power, and faithfulness justify confidence that Earth’s ecosystems are robust and will, by God’s providence, accomplish the purposes He set for them.
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http://www.cornwallalliance.org/docs/a-renewed-call-to-truth-prudence-and-protection-of-the-poor.pdf

Ross McKitrick's religious fundamentalist belief that per the Bible God will protect us from global warming notwithstanding, global warming science deniers parrot and promote what Ross McKitrick says with zero skepticism.
08:07 PM on 12/05/2011
2011:

• Global temperatures - 10th highest on record
• Warmest year with La Niña event
• Lowest Arctic sea ice volume

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“Our science is solid and it proves unequivocally that the world is warming and that this warming is due to human activities."

"Concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere have reached new highs. They are very rapidly approaching levels consistent with a 2-2.4 degree Centigrade rise in average global temperatures which scientists believe could trigger far reaching and irreversible changes in our Earth, biosphere and oceans."

Michel Jarraud, Secretary-General, World Meteorological Organization
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dasunx
Spend What You Have, Not What You Don't Have....
07:18 PM on 12/05/2011
SPECIAL REPORT: More Than 1000 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims

http://www.climatedepot.com/a/9035/SPECIAL-REPORT-More-Than-1000-International-Scientists-Dissent-Over-ManMade-Global-Warming-Claims--Challenge-UN-IPCC--Gore
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FranklinCat
18 claws & 3½ fangs
07:41 PM on 12/05/2011
Wow, what's that? Three in each country? Can you express that as a %?
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dasunx
Spend What You Have, Not What You Don't Have....
11:04 AM on 12/06/2011
Evidently the truth doesn't matter to you. For the game you play it is just who has the most marbles wins.......... WOW
07:58 PM on 12/05/2011
"Less than 1% of those signers had a PhD in anything related to climatology, and they allowed anyone to sign who claimed to have a bachelor’s degree in ANY science or engineering field, including veterinarians, entomologists (people who study insects), metallurgists, and electrical engineers. Since about 40% of the signers only had bachelor’s degrees, it was probably more likely that a given signer was a urine sample lab tech than a working climate scientist."

http://bbickmore.wordpress.com/2010/12/13/another-red-herring-survey/
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chrisd3
Inconceivable!
08:12 PM on 12/05/2011
This new list is equally lame, but for the sake of accuracy, that quote refers to the Oregon Petition.
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Publicola
Facts are stubborn things
09:01 PM on 12/05/2011
Climate science could use its own Project Steve.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Steve
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Publicola
Facts are stubborn things
06:44 PM on 12/05/2011
National Academy of Sciences
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There is a strong, credible body of evidence, based on multiple lines of research, documenting that Earth is warming. Strong evidence also indicates that recent warming is largely caused by human activities, especially the release of greenhouse gases through the burning of fossil fuels. 

Global warming is closely associated with other climate changes and impacts, including rising sea levels, increases in intense rainfall events, decreases in snow cover and sea ice, more frequent and intense heat waves, increases in wildfires, longer growing seasons, and ocean acidification. Individually and collectively, these changes pose risks for a wide range of human and environmental systems. While much remains to be learned, the core phenomenon, scientific questions, and hypotheses have been examined thoroughly and have stood firm in the face of serious scientific debate and careful evaluation of alternative explanations.

http://dels.nas.edu/resources/static-assets/materials-based-on-reports/reports-in-brief/Science-Report-Brief-final.pdf
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givemtheirwish
Science is the belief in ignorance of "experts"
05:09 PM on 12/05/2011
A nice article by Dennis Avery re the Man-Made Globull Warming Alarmist meltdown being experienced by the UN.

http://www.cfact.org/a/2069/UN-trapped-in-climate-turmoil
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Katmandu01
06:05 PM on 12/05/2011
Denis Avery conveniently cherry pick's Richard Black's analysis of the draft that that his article is referring to and takes what he said completely out of context. In order to get a more accurate understanding of what Black was saying here is the original article from the BBC website.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15698183
04:52 PM on 12/05/2011
Despite meager government investment when compared to the historical norm for emerging sources of energy like nuclear and fossil-fuels, growth in the clean energy sector is outpacing the rest of the economy.

Clean Energy is a job creator

Renewable energy jobs grew at an average annual rate of 11.1 percent between 2003 and 2010, more than twice as fast as the rest of the economy.

Brookings Institute, 2011, National and Regional Green Jobs Assessment

http://www.brookings.edu/reports/2011/0713_clean_economy.aspx

Investments in clean energy produce better results than other sectors
Clean energy investments generate 3.2 times the number of jobs as investments in the fossil fuel sectors (June 2009, University of Massachusetts-Amherst study)

http://www.peri.umass.edu/fileadmin/pdf/conference_papers/Surdna/Pollin-Heintz-Garrett-Peltier_paper_for_Surdna_Conf---3-16-10.pdf

Report from Pew Charitable Trusts:

"... despite a lack of sustained policy attention and investment, the emerging clean energy economy has grown considerably--extending to all 50 states, engaging a wide variety of workers and generating new industries. Between 1998 and 2007, its jobs grew at a faster rate than overall jobs. Like all other sectors, the clean energy economy has been hit by the recession, but investments in clean technology have fared far better in the past year than venture capital overall. Looking forward, the clean energy economy has tremendous potential for growth..."

http://www.pewcenteronthestates.org/uploadedFiles/Clean_Economy_Report_Web.pdf
04:37 PM on 12/05/2011
(Kerry) Emanuel sees himself as a conservative. He believes marriage is between a man and a woman. He backs a strong military. He almost always votes Republican and admires Ronald Reagan.

Emanuel is an award winning MIT professor of atmospheric science. … And Emanuel has concluded that the scientific data show a powerful link between greenhouse gas emissions and climate change.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/05/nation/la-na-scientist-climate-20110105

“Texas Tech atmospheric scientist Katharine Hayhoe is an evangelical Christian who travels widely talking to conservative audiences and wrote a book with her husband, a pastor and former climate change denier, explaining climate change to skeptics.”

Republicans for Environmental Protection:
http://www.rep.org/Hayhoe_Climate.pdf

“A (solar) physicist by training, John Cook is an evangelical Christian who runs the website skepticalscience.com, which seeks to debunk climate change deniers' arguments.”

http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2011/11/29/not-all-climate-skeptics-are-created-equal/

“Barry Bickmore is a Mormon, a professor of geochemistry at Brigham Young University and the blogger behind Anti-Climate Change Extremism in Utah, where he recently rebuked Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah) for his climate views and posted editorials mentioning his Republican affiliation.”

http://redgreenandblue.org/2011/11/12/a-republican-ex-climate-skeptic-explains-how-people-avoid-the-truth-about-climate-change/
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Facts are stubborn things
03:57 PM on 12/05/2011
AGW "Skeptics": God Will Protect Us From Global Warming

Prominent global warming "skeptics" including Roy Spencer (a climate scientist favored by "skeptics"), Ross McKitrick (economist and purported "hockey stick" slayer), and Joseph D'Aleo (weatherman / Icecap blog) preach that per the Bible God will protect us from global warming, along with other signatories of the Cornwall Alliance's "Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming":

http://www.cornwallalliance.org/blog/item/prominent-signers-of-an-evangelical-declaration-on-global-warming/

Roy Spencer is moreover on the Cornwall Alliance's Board of Advisers:

http://www.cornwallalliance.org/about/board-of-advisors/

More from the Cornwall Alliance For The Stewardship Of Creation on their belief that per Biblical prophesy God will protect us from global warming:

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The world is in the grip of an idea: that burning fossil fuels... is causing global warming that will be so dangerous that we must stop it by reducing our use...

We believe that idea... fails the tests of theology... with a worldview of the Earth and its climate system contrary to that taught in the Bible...
 
God’s wisdom, power, and faithfulness justify confidence that Earth’s ecosystems are robust and will, by God’s providence, accomplish the purposes He set for them.
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http://www.cornwallalliance.org/docs/a-renewed-call-to-truth-prudence-and-protection-of-the-poor.pdf

Athelstane: "the envirnment­al extremists who have made global warming their religion."

Science denier irony is eternal.
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WESmith
Just say no to gasoline
04:16 PM on 12/05/2011
Unless our scientists are working on some new super technology, nothing is going to save us from the rising global temperatures and rising oceans.

I have been telling people to get rid of their polluting, money wasting gasoline vehicles for 40 years. Or, at least quit wasting money by becoming energy efficient. I still say no one is truely interested. Even when I tell them I am $300,000 richer by weaning myself off of gasoline. One doesn't have to pay for energy they don't use. You can't deny that.
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Facts are stubborn things
06:42 PM on 12/05/2011
WESmith: "“Unless our scientists are working on some new super technology­, nothing is going to save us from the rising global temperatur­es and rising oceans."

One word for you, WESmith:

Mitigation.

HTH.
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givemtheirwish
Science is the belief in ignorance of "experts"
05:12 PM on 12/05/2011
It's simply delicious to witness the Deniers (that AGW is man-made fraud) in full blown meltdown.

Deniers (that AGW is man-made fraud): "Al, Al, where art thou Al"
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
05:19 PM on 12/05/2011
What is delicious is to see your blathering incoherencies against fact filled post after fact filled post.

All you have is empty rhetoric.
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Facts are stubborn things
06:53 PM on 12/05/2011
Reality denial isnt a pretty thing to witness.

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"One of the most serious consequences of our actions is global warming brought about by rising levels of CO2 from the burning of fossil fuels. The danger is that the temperature increase may become self-sustaining, if it hasn’t done so already...

"The warming of the seas may trigger the release of large quantities of carbon dioxide trapped on the ocean floor. In addition the melting of the Arctic and Antarctic ice sheets will reduce the amount of solar energy reflected back into space and so increase the temperature further. We don’t know where global warming will stop…"

-- Dr. Stephen Hawking
03:54 PM on 12/05/2011
Once again, huffp0 ignores climategate II. Why is that? Oh wait, it doesn't fit into their leftist narrative of destroying America.
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FranklinCat
18 claws & 3½ fangs
03:56 PM on 12/05/2011
Or perhaps there's no there there. And tell me, now, how can the left possibly destroy America when the Republicans have already done that?
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maybealittlecommonsense
kick it root down
04:04 PM on 12/05/2011
FranklinCat
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Then what's your explanatio­n?
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What has caused the earth to heat and cool for millions of years?
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chrisd3
Inconceivable!
04:10 PM on 12/05/2011
"Once again, huffp0 ignores climategat­e II. Why is that?"

Because it's a total zero, just like the first one.

There are two topics I wish HP would cover:

- Why are the hackers and their masters withholding 98% of the documents in their possession? What's in there that they don't want you "skeptics" to see?

- Why has so little been done to apprehend the criminals behind the theft?
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NJP1
03:33 PM on 12/05/2011
Bleat on as much as you like about climate change conferences getting nowhere, but if you’re a miner you’ll fight to keep your job, even though you know what you do is helping to poison the air we breathe. Same if you’re a truckdriver, airline pilot or any one of thousands of trades that depend on fuel burning to maintain the illusion of employment .
Because that is our problem, every job means burning fossil fuel somewhere down the line. We are in an energy-economy, and have been for a century or more. It’s been this way for so long that few in the developed world can remember what it was like not to be able to flick a switch to get heat and light.
We demand that this should continue forever, so climate change meetings can never arrive at any conclusions; to do so would wreck our ‘world economy’ and no politician will risk losing his job by telling the truth: that our lifestyle is screwed whether we stop burning oil or not. For the moment things look a bit difficult, but we’re managing…just… but it’s more comfortable to believe our economists and politicians who say things are going to be OK if only we work harder.
They’re not, but they have another round of pretend talks anyway, and fix the date of the next meeting. The world will correct its overheating problem, humanity is just the parasite that is causing its fever. http://www.yourmedievalfuture.com/
03:51 PM on 12/05/2011
Of course there are difficulties solving any problem. That's pretty much the definition of a problem - no difficulties, no problem. In my opinion, the people trying to solve the problem are not the ones bleating, however. The bleaters are the ones who moan about how we're screwed and there's nothing that can be done. Woe is you...
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NJP1
05:13 PM on 12/05/2011
Ive lost count of the number of climate change conferences......you mean this one is going to be different?
02:23 PM on 12/05/2011
How do real capitalists address global warming?

Fifteen of the seventeen largest corporations have greenhouse gas emissions control programs; China Construction Bank and Industrial and Commercial Bank of China apparently don't.

APPLE:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/business/apple-chamber.pdf

EXXON:

http://www.exxonmobil.com/Corporate/safety_climate_mgmt_report.aspx

SHELL:

http://www.shell.com/home/content/environment_society/environment/climate_change/

PETROCHINA:

http://www.petrochina.com.cn/Ptr/News_and_Bulletin/News_Release/PetroChina_Issues_2010_Sustainability_Report.htm

PETROBRAS:

http://www.petrobras.com.br/rs2009/en/relatorio-de-sustentabilidade/meio-ambiente/mudanca-do-clima/

BP:

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/china/bpchina_english/STAGING/local_assets/downloads_pdfs/press_share_0427_EN.pdf

CHEVRON:
http://www.chevron.com/globalissues/climatechange/

WALMART:

http://walmartstores.com/sustainability/9660.aspx?sourceid=greenhousegas&ref=http%3a%2f%2fbusiness.edf.org%2fprojects%2fwalmart%2fwalmart-and-global-warming

MICROSOFT:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdownload.microsoft.com%2Fdownload%2F1%2F9%2F9%2F199b2229-c731-47b2-b420-a6806027d5d5%2FClimate_Change_Policy.pdf&ei=9ibcToGfIeXXiQK0iPDHCQ&usg=AFQjCNGzK87tvYJxW4Kr25J-kbFWEpqeiA&sig2=UylWrKKAa1DS7mU5MhSHYg

NESTLE:

http://www.nestle.com/CSV/WATERANDENVIRONMENTALSUSTAINABILITY/CLIMATECHANGE/Pages/ClimateChange.aspx

BHP BILLITON:

http://www.bhpbilliton.com/home/aboutus/sustainability/Pages/Environment.aspx

CHINA MOBILE:

http://www.chinamobileltd.com/images/pdf/2011/sr/en/7.pdf

INTEL:

http://www.intel.com/intel/other/ehs/product_ecology/globalclimate.htm

IBM:

http://www.ibm.com/ibm/environment/climate/position.shtml
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
02:47 PM on 12/05/2011
They are obviously in on the conspiracy.
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WESmith
Just say no to gasoline
03:26 PM on 12/05/2011
How does the average American address global warming?

They religiously claim themselves righteous.

They Believe that in punishing the evil Industry the world will be miraculously saved.

They Believe that Industry and Corporations are living, walking evil entities.

They Belive that the ultimate purpose of Corporations is to be benevolent mommies and daddies to the child-like inhabitants and pay their way through life.

They Believe that by paying for the word "green" they are champions of Environmentalism.

Similar type conspiracy. Seems no one cares about the environment and climate change, just what they can benefit by mouthing the words. If you care, junk that gasoline-powered vehicle and quit financing Industry so that they quit delivering all of those pollutants we spew everywhere we go.
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Facts are stubborn things
03:52 PM on 12/05/2011
WESmith: "They religiousl­y claim themselves righteous."

Q. Why can't science deniers understand the difference between science and religion?

A. Because they are science deniers, of course.
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Facts are stubborn things
02:21 PM on 12/05/2011
Conservative Climate Scientist Dr. Barry Bickmore:
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I’ve recently been involved with other scientists and scholars in Utah trying to stop the spread of outright lies, half-truths, abuses of data, and distortions about climate change.  Much of this disinformation is coming from (or through) some Republican members of the Utah Legislature, and the other Republican (and some Democratic) members have swallowed it hook, line, and sinker...

I'm a Republican myself, and it galls me that my own party has locally fallen for a bunch of conspiracy theories and scientifically incompetent trash. In my opinion, something has to be done to save the party from disaster in the long run...

Democracy depends on accurate information being readily available to the public, and I see people who propagate such disinformation campaigns as enemies of Democracy.

http://bbickmore.wordpress.com/about-this-blog/
02:57 PM on 12/05/2011
If one peruses the emails from Climategate I and Climategate II, it definitely looks like a conspiracy on the part of the reigning warming insiders to promote the myth that there is an overwhelming consensus about warming, its causes and its effects, and a conspiracy to discredit and punish anyone who is skeptical about warmism, or holds a different opinion.
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Facts are stubborn things
03:13 PM on 12/05/2011
Except no it doesn't, relentless science denier propaganda that would have you believe otherwise notwithstanding.

So what is your scientific education and professional experience that somehow leads you to believe that you understand more about climate science than the experts at the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, Athelstane?

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U.S. National Academy of Sciences (2010):

Human activities are influencing climate. As discussed in the following chapters, scientific evidence that the Earth is warming is now overwhelming. There is also a multitude of evidence that this warming results primarily from human activities, especially burning fossil fuels and other activities that release heat-trapping greenhouse gases (GHGs) into the atmosphere. Projections of future climate change indicate that Earth will continue to warm unless significant and sustained actions are taken to limit emissions of GHGs.

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=12782
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Daniel Hicks
Science > Your opinion
03:15 PM on 12/05/2011
On the contrary, it looks like someone mined through thousands of emails to find a few statements that could be misquoted or taken out of context to further a climate-denial agenda. If the conspiracy is so damning and extensive, what's in the 98% of emails that haven't been released? If you were working with a group to present the best findings, wouldn't you discuss with your colleagues how best to present them? 'Climategate" is the hoax, and a bad one at that. You're just gullible enough to be swept up simply because you want it to be true.
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bridge to somewhere
That's impossible, even for a computer!
02:12 PM on 12/05/2011
These articles are always ripe fodder for the easily-purchased brains of denialists.

For anyone willing to review a very straight-forward presentation of the facts about climate and energy, sans-gore, here ya go: http://wwz.unibas.ch/fileadmin/wwz/redaktion/umwelt/Lehre/EWI/External_1.pdf
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Daniel Hicks
Science > Your opinion
03:20 PM on 12/05/2011
You know, usually when people mention Al Gore, it's a red flag that they're talking bollocks. Thanks for defying my expectations and presenting some good graphs and objective data!
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That's impossible, even for a computer!
03:30 PM on 12/05/2011
It was far more powerful while presented, but it's a great starting point at educating people about just how much research has gone in to these topics...to claim scientists around the globe have spent 200 years in-cahoots just to make a few bucks is so... well ... assi-9.
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dasunx
Spend What You Have, Not What You Don't Have....
01:48 PM on 12/05/2011
A Liberal's beliefs are all designed to pander to his ego. So when you have an argument with a liberal, you are not really discussing the facts. You are threatening his self esteem. Which is why the normal liberal response to challenge is venement abuse. When liberals are challenged they only respond with a stream of invective and insults, or try to shame you over something silly.
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chrisd3
Inconceivable!
01:49 PM on 12/05/2011
Perhaps some day you'll post an actual fact. I'm not holding my breath, though.
03:01 PM on 12/05/2011
Fact, no statistically significant warming in the last 11 years. Fact, midieval warming period without CO2 increase. Fact sea levels are NOT rising. Fact, we have just finished the three mildest hurricane seasons in a century. Fact, the hockey stick graph was skewed to hide the decline. Fact, the warmongerers fail to adequately account for solar rays in their models. Fact, atmospheric climatological data does not back up the wamologist model predictions.
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Facts are stubborn things
03:21 PM on 12/05/2011
Address but one of Athestane's Gish Gallop* of midleading science denier talking points:

Athestane: "Fact sea levels are NOT rising."

Guess again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_sea_level_rise

HTH.

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* Gish Gallop: "A debating technique that involves drowning the opponent in such a torrent of half-truths, lies, and straw-man arguments that the opponent cannot possibly answer every falsehood that has been raised."

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop
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TheEmptyMonty
Astronaut. Daredevil. Wabbit.
01:53 PM on 12/05/2011
What liberals have to do with two centuries of climate science is beyond me. Do you have Joseph Fourier's voting record on hand? John Tyndall's? Svante Arrhenius'?

You're adding nothing to this discussion except vague insults and ignorance of basic science. Are you quite finished? Go post on something you know about, or something you'd at least LIKE to know about.