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Supreme Court Debates Search Warrant In Case Of Guns, Gangs And Good Faith

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First Posted: 12/05/11 05:59 PM ET Updated: 12/05/11 06:02 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court grappled with guns, gangs and a detective's good faith in executing a search warrant at oral argument Monday morning.

In 2003, Jerry Ray Bowen, a member of the Crips gang, allegedly fired a sawed-off shotgun at his fleeing ex-girlfriend, Shelly Kelly, as he yelled, "If you try to leave, I'll kill you, bitch." Investigating the incident, Los Angeles police detective Curt Messerschmidt drew up a search warrant for a night raid on the residence at which Kelly believed the police could find Bowen. The warrant, which called for the collection of all firearms and gang-related items, was reviewed and authorized by a district attorney and a magistrate judge. At five o'clock in the morning, a SWAT team raided the home of Augusta Millender, Bowen's foster mother. They found neither Bowen nor his sawed-off shotgun, but they did collect Millender's handgun.

Millender then sued Messerschmidt, among others, contending that he had no probable cause to search for anything beyond Bowen's sawed-off shotgun.

Under Supreme Court precedent, Millender's lawsuit can only proceed if Messerschmidt's search warrant was "so lacking in indicia of probable cause as to render official belief in its existence unreasonable." The justices during Monday's oral argument split on whether probable cause was lacking and, if so, whether the detective should be held responsible.

Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor came out the strongest in favor of the foster mother's claims.

During lawyer Timothy Coates' argument on behalf of the detective, Sotomayor compared the warrant in this case to the nonspecific and virtually limitless warrants the British used against American colonists. "How is the request of the warrant to search for all gang-related indicia anything more than the general warrant that our Founding Fathers in part passed the Fourth Amendment against?" she asked.

Ginsburg sharply questioned the connection between gang affiliation and girlfriend-beating. "So if you have a gang member and the crime has absolutely nothing to do with gang membership -- that I think is the case here, it's a domestic assault -- as long as you are a gang member, then every warrant can say 'search for all gang-related information'?" she asked.

Coates responded that such evidence would be "identification information" that could be used "to possibly tie Mr. Bowen to any weapon that was found" in the house, including his sawed-off shotgun.

"But they didn't need to tie him to the shotgun," Ginsburg retorted. "They had photographs of him with the shotgun."

Nor did Justice Antonin Scalia buy the "identification information" argument. "I really don't understand," he said, "how you can possibly search for indicia of gang membership when you know the man's a gang member -- so what?"

Justice Samuel Alito, on the other hand, seemed to see nothing overbroad in the search warrant.

Questioning Millender's lawyer, Paul Wolfson, Alito asked, "What is wrong with a reasonable officer thinking, he's tried to kill her in the past using one gun; he's a member of a gang; he is very likely to possess or have access to other guns; those other guns may be found in the home where we believe he is living; and he is intending to use them to carry out the threat that he has promised, the threat that he has made?"

Not getting the answer he wanted from Wolfson -- which would have been "There's nothing wrong with that" -- Alito spun his inquiry into a hypothetical: Police officers enter a room that they know is Bowen's, and there is a gun cabinet with a "whole array" of legally owned guns, "and it's known that he's threatened to kill his girlfriend."

"Would the police be able to seize those?" asked Alito. Wolfson, sensing a trap, tried to evade the question, prompting Justice Anthony Kennedy -- who often holds the Court's crucial fifth vote in divisive cases -- to say, "I am putting in my notes that you are not answering the hypothetical."

Wolfson remained unwilling to step into Alito's trap, so the justice shoved him into it. "Your answer is they can take them," Alito said. Otherwise, as Alito suggested earlier in the exchange, "if he happens to come back and get those weapons, and he kills her, well, that's just too bad?"

The justices were also split on whether the detective could be held individually responsible for a faulty warrant if it needed and had received approval from a prosecutor and a judge in order to be executed. When Chief Justice John Roberts started the questioning by implying the answer was no, Sotomayor reminded her colleagues that "in spite of" such reasoning, the Court has chosen to make police officers legally responsible for unconstitutional search warrants, even when executed in good faith.

Alito, speaking to Principal Deputy U.S. Solicitor General Sri Srinivasan, found that rule "very strange."

"We are asking whether a reasonable police officer who is not a lawyer, and certainly is not a judge, should have been able to see that this call that was made by a judge was not only wrong, but so wrong that you couldn't reasonably think that the judge was correct," Alito said.

On this point, Scalia seemed to sympathize with Alito. "Even if the officer is in good faith, according to the test we have set forth, if he's so stupid that he executes a warrant that no reasonable officer could think was correct, he's in the pot," Scalia skeptically characterized the law to Coates. But Scalia did not appear to agree with Alito on the crucial matter of Monday's case. However stupid Scalia thought the current law, he found the sweeping breadth of the warrant even stupider.

The case, Messerschmidt v. Millender, will likely be decided by the end of June.

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WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court grappled with guns, gangs and a detective's good faith in executing a search warrant at oral argument Monday morning. In 2003, Jerry Ray Bowen, a member of the Crips...
WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court grappled with guns, gangs and a detective's good faith in executing a search warrant at oral argument Monday morning. In 2003, Jerry Ray Bowen, a member of the Crips...
 
 
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mariusvinchi
Saint Lucia is looking better and better every day
03:53 PM on 12/06/2011
A key issue here that the Court DIDN'T entertain, was that this warrant was executed on a previous residence. No evidence was proffered in the warrant affidavit, nor probable cause offered, that the suspect would be at the searched location. That being said, these gestapo SWAT tactics must be reigned in. A notably worse problem post 9/11 Patriot Act.
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Harvey32
Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart
02:22 PM on 12/06/2011
When you've got both the NRA and the ACLU on the same side, you know this should be a slam dunk.

Unless you're Alito.
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mech126
Science, and government are "NOT" the enemy...
04:19 PM on 12/06/2011
I think alito has never met a law he didn't want to overturn.....
holyghostie
Spiritus est qui vivificat
01:10 PM on 12/06/2011
Cops fish with dynamite instead of fishing lines like they should.
jchandjd
4 degrees, 8 figures
12:54 PM on 12/06/2011
I see this issue as an examination as to whether the warrant as issued is overly broad. Should the police be restricted to specific seizure requests in their warrants or should they be able to take anything that may contain anything? The issue here is whether the "indicia" of gang membership is necessary as the crime did not involve anything gang related and the suspect was already a known gang member.

Alito is right about the police being able to seize the other firearms, if for no other reason, safekeeping to prevent further home violence, but most states allow this type of seizure of firearms in a domestic case without the warrant requirement. So the question regarding the right to take them is directed at how broad a warrant can become once execution begins and the police are there searching for things.

I believe the Court will give the police broad ability to interpret the warrant contents here.
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03:05 PM on 12/06/2011
"I see this issue as an examinatio­n as to whether the warrant as issued is overly broad."

It is conceded that the warrant was overbroad and thus violative of the 4th amendment. The issue is whether, notwithstanding a defective warrant, whether the police officers are entitled to invoke a qualified immunity to a civil action based upon a "good faith" belief that the warrant was valid. In order to overcome such immunity, one must show that the warrant was "so lacking in any indicia of probable cause as to render" the officers belief in the validity of the warrant to be unreasonable.
jchandjd
4 degrees, 8 figures
05:42 PM on 12/06/2011
It seems then that this would make good precedent for a qualified immunity case as it is the job of the judiciary to determine whether the probable cause exists. Unless they can show that the police and the judge collaborated, I do not see how an officer who goes to a judge for verification of probable cause should be liable unless the officer's statement of probable cause was fabricated.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
11:23 AM on 12/07/2011
This is always a tough call for officers. Sometimes we have to do a very careful review of such warrants as the language can be tricky. Sometimes we will even go back for clarification. In this case, while the warrant clearly told the officers they could sieze any firearms, I would not likely question it. We can always return the items.

However, one of the things we might want to know is "Is this the suspect's residence or the primary place he lives?" If it is "no" to both, then we may question the warrant as being overly broad. We want to find the shotgun in question as it pertains to the crime, despite the fact they have a picture of him with it. We want to find other firearms he may have, especially if he is a prohibited person. But we also know that there may be other people living there who may legally possess firearms. Maybe we would like to see if he has touched the other person's firearms, in which case we might look for prints and then return the firearms.
04:33 PM on 12/06/2011
Under the Fourth Amendment, a warrant can only be issued upon "probable cause" to believe a crime has been committed, not probable cause to believe that a crime might be committed in the future. Therefore, Alito was wrong about the police being able to seize firearms in order to prevent the possible commission of a future crime in the absence of a court order finding a specific threat of harm (and an order approving a search warrant would not contain such a finding).

You also are overlooking the fact that the weapon seized by the police didn't belong to the suspect. Do you really believe that the police should be allowed to seize something that belongs to you just because they believe it might be used by someone else to commit a crime?
jchandjd
4 degrees, 8 figures
05:45 PM on 12/06/2011
Thank you for your comment. Yes, it is done every day. For example, police in many states may cease any firearms in a home where there is a domestic violence dispute, regardless of who owns the firearms, allowing that the disputing parties must reside in the house.

The facts seems though that this was after the fact and not an issue of immediate harm or threat. nonetheless, as long as the police are acting in good faith and seizing what was ordered to be taken by the warrant, the fault in the warrant falls on the judge who signed it, not the police who execute it.
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beckjr2000
been there done that & tired of it
11:49 AM on 12/06/2011
Personally I can't believe this suit has gone this far. To begin with suing the Detective over the validity of the search warrant seems out of line. He, not a Lawyer, requests the warrant based on information he has through a Prosecutor, a Lawyer, who has to get approval from a Judge, again a Lawyer. If the Search Warrant is found lacking for what ever reason it responsibility lies with the Lawyers not the Detective. It's not the place of a Police Officer to question, second guess, or fail to act upon a duly issued warrant.
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AJOHMSS
10:40 AM on 12/06/2011
I never recognize Alito in still photos.
I have to see his head shaking side to side to know it's him.
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Espantapajaros
Happy Flowers and Puppies and Stuff
09:54 AM on 12/06/2011
I'm honestly surprised to see Ginsburg and Sotomayor come down on the right side of this issue. Typically, progressive principles on civil liberties run for the hills when the subject is guns.

Alito for his part seems to be missing the point.
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mad tn dem
Surrounded by Republicans But Won't Be Silent
03:16 AM on 12/06/2011
Here's a poll that I would truly find interesting 1- how much faith in and respect for the supreme court do you have. 2-Has your level of faith and respect changed in the last 10 years, and if so, gone up or down. 3-rate each justice 1 to 5 on job performance, 5 being excellent and 1..well, you know. I'd pay money to read that poll.
11:08 PM on 12/05/2011
Alito's hypothetical is irrelevant: he postulated Bowen's residence.
Millender's residence is not Bowen's residence, and apparently has not been his residence for some period of time. Bowen's residence is the apartment he shared with Kelly. Furthermore, Bowen is a convicted felon therefore any guns he owns are themselves evidence of another crime and may be confiscated if in plain view when an officer is lawfully present. Millender is not a felon, thus a gun she owns legally in her own home (which is not also Bowen's residence) is not evidence of a crime, is not contraband, and should not be seized.

Since Bowen doesn't reside currently with Millender, how can one justify a search of Millender's residence for anything other than Bowen - who may be present on premises, ie visiting - and the shotgun Bowen used in the crime against Kelly?
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cliffstep
01:35 AM on 12/06/2011
As much as I hate to agree with a war criminal ,
If this was where Bowen stayed - slept , ate, showered - a case can be made it's his residence.
If the warrant said all guns , then he did right. Millender can sue for the return of the gun , but that's all.
Five am? At a second-party residence? That's rude and unnecessary.
Gang-related items? That's just plain stupid. I didn't notice any mention of items taken...but that is bill of attainder stuff.
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AVoiceInThe Darkness
Darkness is your candle - Rumi
09:36 PM on 12/05/2011
I think this is the only valid reason why they cancelled AllMyChildren. The real drama can be found with SCOTUS. Intriguing.
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bluntobject
Gandhi didn't like your attitude either!
09:21 PM on 12/05/2011
Where there exists an opportunity, this dishonest court seems poised to further undermine rights of privacy and further police ability to conduct unwarranted searches and seizures. Then, under the guise of doing this when gangs and guns are involved, all the cops have to say is "we thought this was related to gang activity", and then it's a free for all.
09:11 PM on 12/05/2011
The real question is how will the Supreme Court maintain an appearance of not being bought and paid for by their handlers: the Republican party, corporate America and the wealthy, this session.
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bluntobject
Gandhi didn't like your attitude either!
09:18 PM on 12/05/2011
They really can't. That perception is reality.
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Andrew Harvey
Don't F with the Jesus
04:04 AM on 12/06/2011
Really, what corporate interest does this case serve? Please, enlighten us, inquiring minds want to know.
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xUSAT
When will we ever learn?
01:01 PM on 12/06/2011
The woman is a customer of NRA gun dealers. Give her gun back and quit interfering with private enterprise.

Corporate interest issue resolved. Sarcasm button off.
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mdmccormick
I am tired of this BS
09:04 PM on 12/05/2011
A constitutional issue in front of the Gang of Five, Americans will lose every time, and we have no justice until impeachment of these justices is a reality.
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09:18 AM on 12/06/2011
I knew when I saw Alito's face, we were going to get screwed.......Pelican Brief
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archstantn
I came, I saw, I conked out
08:57 PM on 12/05/2011
A threat with a sawed-off shotgun cannot be construed so broadly that anything that may possibly be a weapon should therefore be searched for and seized. Alito is, as usual, flat out wrong. In California, which has extremely strict "criminal threats" statutes, the warrant should have been out of bounds. I can understand the motive to "protect", however, this case is one the Police erred on. The verbal threat itself, if admitted to, should be enough to convict in criminal court. Meanwhile, the civil suit should net the foster mother's getting her gun back. My opinion.
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grant06
Socialism: Humanity's best future.
09:14 PM on 12/05/2011
You're right on target. Otherwise they would have to seize EVERYTHING that could be used as a weapon including steak knives and claw hammers, none of which were mentioned in the warrant.
08:57 PM on 12/05/2011
we the people of the USA have no supreme court!!!! we havent appointed one yet!!!!! oh you mean those criminal imposters!!!!!!!!