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John McCain: 'Democrats Are Winning' Debate Over Tax Cuts

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First Posted: 12/06/11 04:22 PM ET Updated: 12/06/11 05:47 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- Democrats are winning the message war over the payroll tax cut, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) declared Tuesday, conceding the GOP was getting "picked apart" on the issue.

"Absolutely, they are in an advantageous position. Absolutely," McCain said of the Democrats' stance in the messaging war over tax cuts for the middle class.

Democrats have proposed extending a payroll tax cut holiday through next year and expanding it to 3.1 percent -- worth about $1,500 on average -- and paying for it largely by a surtax on millionaires.

Republicans voted against that proposal last week, citing the tax on the rich. They also opposed an alternate extension of the break from Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), paid for by cutting the federal workforce.

It's given Democrats the opportunity to pound the GOP relentlessly for opposing cuts for the middle class while protecting the wealthy -- and McCain admitted the other side was doing it well.

"I think there is certainly ample evidence that the Democrats are winning this debate," McCain told reporters on Capitol Hill.

McCain's assessment was a stark admission that Republicans have been flailing around for a counter message, and the former White House candidate said they had to get one fast before they suffer more damage.

"We have to, one, negotiate, but second of all, have a coherent plan of all the economy, including repatriation of overseas money, including a reduction in regulations, including tax reform," McCain said. "We've got to get back to the big picture of our vision for America, and our belief that business creates jobs, not government creates jobs, and policies around that, rather than being picked apart on this particular issue.

"Clearly Republicans haven't gotten our cohesive plan together," McCain added.

Exactly how the GOP will pull a plan together remains unclear, but emerging wisdom from the caucus hinted that Republicans would be looking for some sort of bigger-picture legislation to get out of the bind on fighting the payroll tax cut.

Many Republicans have begun to argue that cutting the payroll tax another year undermines Social Security, which it was created to fund.

"You go another year, and it's going to be even more cemented in," said Sen. Bob Corker, (R-Tenn.), voicing a fear of some Social Security advocates. "Candidly, you turn Social Security into a welfare program, so I would think that over time AARP would think this is a really bad Idea, but I haven't heard anything from them, for some reason. It's kinda odd."

One possible solution might be letting the tax cut expire and replacing it, said Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), who opposes the payroll tax cut on the grounds that it comes out of Social Security.

"First of all, I'm all for not increasing taxes," Johnson said, adopting some of the Democrats' talking points. "We've got to do some kind of short-term rebates, so we're not increasing taxes on the American people, on hardworking middle-class families... I think we may be able to unify ourselves around an approach where we offer some other type of tax relief."

A day earlier, Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) argued that perhaps the tax break should be part of something as big as extending the Bush-era tax cuts some more. Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) sounded like he might be inclined in a similar direction, but was not ready to be specific.

"I think if we do it, it ought to be part of a bigger package taking care of a lot of unfinished business," he said.

Among that business is preventing a dramatic cut in payments to doctors in Medicare, stalling the mandated hike in the alternative minimum tax, extending unemployment insurance benefits and passing funding to keep the government running.

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WASHINGTON -- Democrats are winning the message war over the payroll tax cut, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) declared Tuesday, conceding the GOP was getting "picked apart" on the issue. "Absolutely, th...
WASHINGTON -- Democrats are winning the message war over the payroll tax cut, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) declared Tuesday, conceding the GOP was getting "picked apart" on the issue. "Absolutely, th...
 
 
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goodmarina 10:11 AM on 12/07/2011
"First of all, I'm all for not increasing taxes," Johnson (R - Wisconsin) said.  "We've got to do some kind of short-term rebates, so we're not increasing taxes on the American people, on hardworking middle-class families..."

Have these Republicans completely allowed their faculties to take a permanent leave of absence -- so much so that they don't even understand what they are talking about  Read More...
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John Weddig
11:20 AM on 12/09/2011
Of course the Republicans are being "picked apart," from my vantage point they appear to be on the wrong side of every issue. What I can't understand is how they marched themselves onto such a precarious platform. This is not good for them or our country.
09:11 PM on 12/08/2011
The Democrats won the tax cut debate a long time ago. ALL the Republicans wounds are self inflicted.
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Justin Zboyovski
12:17 AM on 12/15/2011
When did they win? Last I checked the tax cuts on people making over 200k a year is still there
korbendal
Bringing Common Sense Back To America.
10:25 AM on 12/08/2011
"They also opposed an alternate extension of the break from Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), paid for by cutting the federal workforce."

that's too bad.. there are plenty of senators and representatives who should lose their jobs..
with their benefits, and lobbyist fees, a definite money saver...
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Wesley Holbrook
Retired-Marine
01:04 AM on 12/08/2011
Business creates jobs, since when and just what considerable number of them??? 8 yrs. of Bush/Cheney taxcuts didn't help business create great numbers of jobs here in America. Record numbers of manufacturing jobs and telemarketing jobs were outsourced during that time though. Democrats, Independents, the elderly, middleclass, working poor, veterans, police officers, teachers, nurses, firemen, construction workers, truck drivers, sales clerks, food service workers, sanitation workers, students, etc., get it, and come 2012, they'll come out in record numbers to prove it...Military veterans will be among them to ensure that they get to vote, count on it, no matter what.
09:41 PM on 12/14/2011
But life is so much better in 2011! We just might top the Carter years!
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ColleenHarper
Actions always have unintended consequences
12:39 AM on 12/08/2011
So Sen. Kyle wants to END the payroll tax relief and ENLARGE the Bush tax cuts?

What? He wants to reduce the top 1%'s rate even farther?

Thank you Sen Kyle for once again proving that the GOP is all about the top 1^% and to hell with the middle class.
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Justin Zboyovski
12:18 AM on 12/15/2011
more like 10% but close enough
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DougSmith
I calls it like I sees it
05:58 PM on 12/07/2011
Those tax raising republicans, um um...
ricnaustin
Liberal in the "heart" of Texas
05:52 PM on 12/07/2011
When did McCain get a clue....?

McCain said. "We've got to get back to the big picture of our vision for America, and our belief that business creates jobs, not government creates jobs, and policies around that, rather than being picked apart on this particular issue.

Um, government does create jobs, and jobs creates jobs and business. Guess what happens when people have jobs? They help business grow. What happens when there are more jobs and business? One guess.

McCain and all your cronies work for who? Would it be "the government?" Who created your job?
05:06 PM on 12/07/2011
It's time for term limits.
McCain, McConnell and the rest need to be put out to pasture.
Lobbyist Greedy Grover Abramoff Jr. has the republicans by their little manhoods.
07:26 PM on 12/07/2011
We have term limits - two years for House reps and six years for Senators. Elections determine how long they are in office.
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Justin Zboyovski
12:20 AM on 12/15/2011
that's not a term limit. A term limit wouldn't allow people to run more than a certain number of times. Ex president can only run twice
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Marc2008
04:47 PM on 12/07/2011
McCain translated: "Why do people believe the truth (democrats) and ignore the republican truth (Lies Lies Lies)?????"
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mynamesyow
Scientist, Gonzo, Champion of the Poor
04:02 PM on 12/07/2011
"We have to, one, negotiate, but second of all, have a coherent plan of all the economy, "

"Clearly Republicans haven't gotten our cohesive plan together," McCain added

So these two VERY FACTUAL statements from one of the most respected and longest serving republicans in Congress, as well as the last person they nominated to be President, pretty much SUMS UP the Republican Position.......istless,clueless, and non-cohesive.

YET all these TROLLS, who dont have even half the intelligence or reputation of McCain continue to somehow DENY what McCain JUST SAID.....
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I think Im just gonna cut-n-paste McCains remarks to them for the rest of the day, since they dont listen to anyone else MAYBE they will listen to their own./......(but i doubt it, since talking points speak louder than words to them)
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egal
Reality disagrees with Conservative assessments
02:00 AM on 12/08/2011
Yeah, they sold their ability to think to the highest bidder. Their processors only work on pre-approved, nonsensical and unrealistic Republican one-liners. ANything else just gets ignored because it's outside the parameters of what they were told to pretend to think. That way, they all stay on-message instead of accidentally using logic or facts or something else damning.
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Zaruga
Dad, Martial arts guru, writer, goofball...
02:33 PM on 02/14/2012
Ever notice that Cantor, the public face of Koch Inc. is ALWAYS near the republican podium, in ANY press shot? That's your answer. The TP side of the GOP are ALL Koch fiends, put on the stage by billionaire political zealots who co-opted people's outrage over bank bailouts, and used it to fill seats with their loyalists. They are the tail wagging the dog.
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03:56 PM on 12/07/2011
Because they haven't been working. We see that. They didn't work for W, they aren't working for Obama. The rich are getting richer, the rest of us are stagnant or worse off. It's not class warfare, it's the obvious realization that something is wrong. Even conservatives see it, the Dems are just terrible at staying on message and sticking to their guns, even when they are the ones supporting a wildly popular bipartisan issue like this.

And for those talking about job creators, we've lowered your taxes and kept them lower, where are those jobs you're supposed to be creating?
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Zaruga
Dad, Martial arts guru, writer, goofball...
02:36 PM on 02/14/2012
The astute individual recognizes that a capitalistic enterprise has no need to hire more bodies into the labor pool unless expansion is required to meet demand. With so many out of work or underpaid and struggling, demand is at an all time low. More money in the coffers simply means more money in the coffers. Period.

Jokes like the Kochs assume that only the wealthy are actually astute. They are sorely mistaken. In the internet age, it may take a while for a truth to become self evident, but once we learn, we tend to not forget.
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03:35 PM on 12/07/2011
Sadly, he is right. The Republicans are lousy at making their point. The dems have learned to make their pitch short and sweet.... with the details of what they're really doing to us coming later when its too late.
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03:53 PM on 12/07/2011
You have that backwards. The Dems are terrible at getting their messages out. The right on the other hand is very good at it, repeating something ad naseum until it becomes part of the narrative, even if completely untrue. Like calling those making over a million dollars a year "job creators" even if they aren't.

Meanwhile, a very large % of the population is for raising taxes on the 1%, including republicans, but that's still seen as something "far-left" that even most Dem politicians compromise on. See the Bush Tax Cut extension. Speaking of which, how'd that work out for everyone? Didn't work for W, hasn't worked for Obama. Neither did the third of the stimulus that was tax cuts.

If what you say is correct, the Dems would be easily winning this fight, and they aren't.
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Basil08
Zero tolerance for "truthiness".
04:16 PM on 12/07/2011
"See the Bush Tax Cut extension"

I was with you until this. People seem to forget that Obama did that b/c the Repubs were holding extending unemployment benefits hostage. It was a priority of his at the time to make sure those who were getting beneifts to help them live did not get those benefits cut off b/c of Repub stubborness. The Tax cut compromise was the only way to do it at that time. I personally knew of a couple of people that benefitted from the Unemployment extension, and are glad Obama did it to assist those that needed it.

I agree with your post, but the extension of the tax cuts were done to help people the Pres thought it important to help. MANY would have lost benefits in 2011 if it were not for that. And I agree.
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Justin Zboyovski
12:22 AM on 12/15/2011
More like dems are just unwilling to hold their ground on most issues. Watch the republicans will win because they at least are willing to risk losing face with the public.
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egal
Reality disagrees with Conservative assessments
02:02 AM on 12/08/2011
Funny how all commentators, analysts, and people capable of stringing together real events to come up with a logical explanation say the opposite of what you just vomited up.
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ruthtruth
seeker of truth, willing to listen
03:33 PM on 12/07/2011
You go old man. You are right but they won't listen to you. They signed a pledge and that's where their allegiance lies. They need to go ASAP.
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mervr1
People have the power over politicians!
03:23 PM on 12/07/2011
Sad that the Republicans will pledge an oath to an oaf named Grover, but won't take seriously the pledge they promised to the American people to work for them to make a better life.....seriously cutting the federal workforce but unwilling to increase taxes on people making over a million dollars.

Vote em OUT in 2012! The GOP has to go!

Time to move the country forward
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judesuper
An Arizonan, a voter, & a snarky progressive!
03:27 PM on 12/07/2011
Agreed! F&F mervr1.
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aljonanadjosmom
Gold stars for everyone!
03:40 PM on 12/07/2011
YES!! right on!!
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vobox3343
Each day is a new day - make the most of it
03:20 PM on 12/07/2011
McCain is the only decent one among them. His only mistake appears to have had Palin as a running mate. but i give hime credit for making sure he didn't emdorse her for anything. He's credible.
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egal
Reality disagrees with Conservative assessments
02:06 AM on 12/08/2011
No, his mistake was that he seems to have actually BOUGHT INTO such obviously irrational talking points.

Basically, when grown men think that pushing in a platform built on obvious falsehoods harder will convince the People, they have either given up on accepting reality when that disagrees with their funders, or they assume the rest of us have given up when their policies have guaranteed reality is such an unfriendly place for those who actually work (or would really, really like to).

Either way, it's a much bigger mistake than the Palin thing--more egregious, just not as flagrant.
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Justin Zboyovski
12:24 AM on 12/15/2011
Don't forget introducing plumber dave or whatever his name was. That just made him look like an idiot (plumber didn't have license, wasn't even close to owning his own business, etc)