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Occupy Wall Street: Twin Sisters Take Opposite Sides (VIDEO)

First Posted: 12/06/11 12:48 PM ET Updated: 12/07/11 12:51 AM ET

Nicole Carty and her twin sister Jill Carty have been arguing about politics since they were teenagers, so it's no surprise that Occupy Wall Street has become a contentious topic of conversation.

Nicole majored in sociology at Brown University and is now an organizer with the Occupy Wall Street movement in New York. Jill has a degree in international studies and business from the University of Pennsylvania and she now works for a financial consulting firm.

Walking down Park Avenue on her way to work one recent morning, Jill revisited the first time she challenged her sister Nicole to explain what the OWS movement was all about. "A few weeks after she started getting really involved … I asked her, 'How will you know when you've reached your goal –- how are you defining success here?' And she got into the philosophy behind it and telling me there is no one goal … and I got really frustrated with that," Jill said.

Back in August, when the Occupy movement was still in the organizing stages, Nicole was having a lazy summer, laying low in her Brooklyn apartment. But when protesters took Zuccotti Park in mid-September, her interest in the occupation happening just across the river began increase. "I did a lot of activism in college, and I hadn't done any since I graduated in 2010. So it was kind of this void that was in me as far as organizing and effecting social change," she explained.

Soon after visiting the park, Nicole joined the facilitation working group and began helping to facilitate the consensus-based decision-making process employed by the movement. "The reason I'm in facilitation is because I knew that the way the process was implemented would be make or break as far as the whole movement is concerned," she said. "I knew that in order to be successful we needed to keep stressing inclusivity, we needed to keep stressing cooperation, and we needed to make sure that marginalized voices were being heard and all of that seemed to be happening in facilitation."

After the park was raided by the NYPD on November 15th, Nicole, like many of the organizers, took a short break from participating in the day-to-day actions to reflect on the experience of that night. According to Nicole, who was pepper-sprayed at close range, the emotional and physical wounds from the experience have had an irreversible impact on the psyche of the movement.

"People have been kind of jumpy and really angry and hurt, and there's a lot of grief that's been unaddressed," she said. "We've been trying to redefine our culture of facilitation in the wake of this trauma."

Meanwhile, Jill is monitoring the movement from afar and has gotten tired of arguing with her twin sister about it. She believes Occupy Wall Street has increased awareness, incited passions and created outrage, but has failed to offer any viable solutions.

"I think they've kind of damned themselves," Jill said. "They've agreed that they're not going to have a unified voice on what the solutions are or what the problem necessarily is, and that's where you lose the impact of moving from the awareness to the problem-solving step."

Nicole's response to her sister's conclusion provides a harsh lesson in political philosophy: "You're asking us to solve the problems that have been created by centuries of capitalist oppression in two-and-a-half months. Like really, I mean, think about what you're trying to ask us –- that's a huge ask!"

Watch the video above to learn more about the Carty Sisters and their feelings about Occupy Wall Street.

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Nicole Carty and her twin sister Jill Carty have been arguing about politics since they were teenagers, so it's no surprise that Occupy Wall Street has become a contentious topic of conversation. N...
Nicole Carty and her twin sister Jill Carty have been arguing about politics since they were teenagers, so it's no surprise that Occupy Wall Street has become a contentious topic of conversation. N...
 
 
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majesticjkr
Always look on the bright side of life
04:38 PM on 12/08/2011
power to the people
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dbrett480
01:11 PM on 12/08/2011
The moral of the story is don't get a sociology degree.
06:05 PM on 12/07/2011
Great young people. They both inspire hope for the future of this country. Keep arguing!
runover
I may bleed like a liberal but I fight like a cons
01:18 PM on 12/07/2011
"The reason I'm in facilitation is because I knew that the way the process was implemented would be make or break as far as the whole movement is concerned," she said. "I knew that in order to be successful we needed to keep stressing inclusivity, we needed to keep stressing cooperation, and we needed to make sure that marginalized voices were being heard and all of that seemed to be happening in facilitation."

This is EXACTLY what happened in Occupy Columbus, fell apart because facilitation was improper and so ppl were excluded instead of included. The occupy movement is great but some of the occupation have NO CLUE WHAT THE MOVEMENT IS ABOUT...
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gx5000
Life's too short, be happy..
12:54 PM on 12/07/2011
"Nicole majored in sociology at Brown University and is now an organizer with the Occupy Wall Street movement in New York. Jill has a degree in international studies and business from the University of Pennsylvania and she now works for a financial consulting firm."

Smart money says they will both be doing well and forget about this ten years down the road.
Although they have diverging views, they were both raised with the same value sets which will propel them beyond the concerns for the common man.
12:38 PM on 12/07/2011
I'm a liberal and my brother's a libertarian, with both of my parents being traditional republicans. I think I like the libertarians more as a debate partner, since they have less religious freakiness in mind.
12:10 PM on 12/07/2011
In the sun will rise in the west category: Who'd ever have thought the sister with the business degree was well employed and the one with the sociology degree, well, not so much, if at all.
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moslef
Peace, Love & Soul
12:01 PM on 12/07/2011
I would love to hear the two sisters debate, the video just made me want to see a longer more in depth story.
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kahalaman
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04:29 PM on 12/07/2011
I would too.

Here's another video that shows a little more of their back and forth.

http://24wired.tv/23072/twin-sisters-divided-on-occupy-wall-street-69691/
11:53 AM on 12/07/2011
OWS doesn't have to solve the problems, but it could certainly start a discussion about possible solutions—instead of just complaining.
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08Voter
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war.
11:48 AM on 12/07/2011
One is employed, and the other is protesting about being unemployed. Telling...
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gx5000
Life's too short, be happy..
12:55 PM on 12/07/2011
There's nothing here saying the other is unemployed, just occupied with occupy at the moment.
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Shuey37
Federalism is the answer
11:45 AM on 12/07/2011
Should come as no surprise that the one who works for a living is opposed to the OWS. The other is apparently a freeloader with a degree in sociology.
12:39 PM on 12/07/2011
I don't know about "freeloader" she may just not be able to get a job in her field. Which is a major part of OWS. People are outraged that there are people with bachelor's degrees that can get little more work than part-time at McDonalds. People are fed up of paying so much money into a system that they aren't getting ANYTHING back from.
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William J Unverferth Sr
Snark attack.
12:38 PM on 12/08/2011
Sorry just because you get a degree in something does not entitle you to get a job using that field.
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riverkwai1
Proud to be an American, every day.
11:21 AM on 12/07/2011
The country needs more Jills and fewer Nicoles.
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11:48 AM on 12/07/2011
Wow, you name yourself after a blown up Bridge! And your statement is silly as well.
12:10 PM on 12/07/2011
His/her statement is spot on.
11:54 AM on 12/07/2011
Agreed
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SDeLight
I am nothing and everything.
11:16 AM on 12/07/2011
To change your current circumstance, its vital that you understand where the problem originates to create a viable solution and ACT on it. The problem with OWS, is that they don't know(or want to know) the true source of their problem. Wall street isn't the problem, its a symptom of the problem. Everyone knows that treating (occupying) the symptom of the problem is not the cure. So, how do you educate a crowd of equally ignorant individuals. You don't, you facilitate the 'act' of awareness until you find some one else to solve your problems for you. That is not the solution, it is an integral part of the problem.
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11:49 AM on 12/07/2011
What a big pile-o-steamin road apples.
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SDeLight
I am nothing and everything.
11:48 AM on 12/08/2011
Your feelings are duly noted. A critical explanatory evaluation of my comment will be too, when one is given.
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marc-levin
11:12 AM on 12/07/2011
Good for them both!!!

I wouldn’t say that they disagree all that much, just because Nicole is on the ground so to speak and Jill is further away, ironically, at a job in the financial sector.

They’re both reasonable and smart, asking good questions, acknowledging the economic inequities of history, and wanting a better deal for the majority of Americans. Though Jill pushes for the clarity of the goal post (Even though America has never had it in Iraq, Afghanistan, and many other deadly and expensive post-WWII wars to name glaring examples) they don’t resort to superficial clichés to justify what they do and believe.

These two lovely twin women give me hope….

Good for them and good for us, that we have them, and I hope, many, many more like them.
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amy carson
no thanks, no party needed, i can do crazy all by
11:10 AM on 12/07/2011
Jill works on park ave, majored in international studies and business at University of Pennsylvania. Nicole went to Brown and majored in sociology. Hmm. All of the OWS siding with Nicole wonder if they have any idea the tuition cost at Brown?
11:32 AM on 12/07/2011
Why does that matter?
11:55 AM on 12/07/2011
What does the tuition cost at Brown have to do with this? I'm a little lost...