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Obama-Harper Border Deal Raises Privacy Concerns In Canada

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First Posted: 12/06/11 06:33 PM ET Updated: 12/07/11 06:52 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Considering the political obsession within the 2012 Republican presidential field over border security, the announcement of a new initiative to strengthen transnational cooperation ought to be big news. And it likely would be, if the border in question was with Mexico.

But when Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper meets with President Obama Wednesday to announce the details of a long-awaited but -- at least in Washington -- little-heralded plan dubbed "Beyond the Border," few outside the Great White North may care. For many Canadians, though, the North American perimeter security agreement to harmonize information sharing in order to ease trade, reduce border bottlenecks, and strengthen law enforcement cooperation is just the latest reason to resent their bigger, more powerful neighbor to the south.

"Canadians are inherently reticent since the Patriot Act about having their government share data on your average citizen with the U.S. government," said Christian Leuprecht, a political scientist at the Royal Military College of Canada in Kingston, Ontario. Noting that Canada has arrested more people crossing illegally into its territory than the other way around, he said, "There are very different perceptions and priorities on either side of the border."

Laura Dawson, a scholar at the Canada Institute at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, said Canadians still chafe at the stricter, post-9/11 security introduced along the 5,525-mile border that more than 70 million international travelers and 35 million vehicles cross each year.

"Canadians continue to be surprised that they can't go through the border with just a wave and a smile," she said. "They are just beginning to understand that it's not just 'mom and pop from Manitoba,' but that others in the world might misuse Canadian borders or Canadian identification to get at the United States."

Yet heightened security isn't all that has some Canadians down these days. Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau once famously said, "Living next to the United States is a little like sleeping with an elephant. You always wonder if they will roll over on you."

Trudeau made his remark during the Vietnam War, but the sentiment seems to ring true today. Controversies in the United States have delayed the Canadian-backed Keystone XL oil pipeline project and stalled a new bridge between Detroit and Windsor, Ontario.

Polls may show that Canadians prefer Obama to their own conservative government under Harper, but many don't appreciate the president's bid to revive Buy America government purchasing rules, or a proposal to charge them a $5.50 "passenger inspection fee" when they cross the border. And many Canadians still remember when U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano mistakenly said that some of the 9/11 hijackers went through their country before launching an attack.

The Canadian media has been filled with stories about the border agreement since Obama and Harper announced it last February. Subtitled "A Shared Vision for Perimeter Security and Economic Competitiveness," a detailed version was to have been unveiled by the end of the summer, but was delayed. Leuprecht and others, including Canadian government officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to comment, said that Harper insisted on a big splash, but that the White House -- preoccupied with the faltering economy and the president's 2012 campaign -- wanted something more low key. There also were disagreements over immigration, refugee standards and other sensitive issues that were stripped out of the agreement by administration officials less than eager to tackle them in an election year, the officials said.

Not that many on Capitol Hill seem to be all that interested in the deal. One Senate staffer suggested Wednesday's meeting between Harper and Obama would amount to little more than a photo-op, "just filling in the details of the original announcement so it's not a big deal."

But that's not how many Canadians see it. One commentator who supports the deal said it would drive many Canadians "ballistic" and would "play to fears that the conservatives are selling out this country's sovereignty and undermining privacy rights in exchange for some illusory access to American markets."

The agreement would institute a new, integrated entry-exit system that would allow officials on both sides of the border to know in real time who is coming into and out of their countries. It involves the kind of data sharing that has been common since 9/11 between the U.S. and the European Union -- and is just as controversial.

Jennifer Stoddart, Canada's commissioner of privacy, has raised alarms over the agreement. In a report this summer, she doubted Canadians would be "willing to accept a 'leveling down' of their privacy protections simply in pursuit of an enriched perimeter security agenda."

Citing the case of Maher Arar, the Syrian-born Canadian infamously detained while waiting for a connecting flight at JFK International Airport and rendered to Syrian interrogators for nearly a year by the Bush administration, Stoddard noted that Canadian commissions have urged counterterrorism investigators to be more careful before sharing personal information on Canadians to any foreign government. She said that adopting U.S. standards of data protection "would not only offend the value Canadians traditionally place in their privacy but may have the effect of hurting the reputation of Canada abroad as a destination of choice."

Despite assurances from U.S. homeland security officials that protecting privacy is a top priority, a Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board recommended by the 9/11 Commission to protect the constitutional rights of Americans remains a hollow shell.

The American Civil Liberties Union and its Canadian counterpart Tuesday released a set of core legal principles they say should govern border policies, including stricter limits on the collection and sharing of personal information between the two countries.

Noting that, "in general Canada's policies are not as bad as our own," the ACLU said the United States should be "improving its own policies -- not forcing them upon our allies, and thereby turning them into international norms, which threatens to entrench sub-par standards and delay the day when wiser heads are able to reform them."

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1. Better aligned regulations: Canada and the U.S. still have different regulations and standards on a lot of products, on everything from vehicles to food to consumer products. Those rules can slow trade or make it harder to make goods compatible, so much so that Harper and Obama set up a separate agreement on regulatory co-operation. Canada expects this agreement to lower costs to businesses and consumers.

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dbrett480
08:34 PM on 12/08/2011
Canadians are wary? The laws in Canada when it comes to lack of privacy and free speech are much worse than in America.
09:38 AM on 12/09/2011
Prove it.
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dbrett480
10:53 AM on 12/09/2011
Take a look at the Canadian Human Rights Act and what it prohibits on the internet.
03:34 PM on 12/07/2011
Some kind of commercial vechile/transport crosses the border both ways every 2 seconds indicative of the $600 billion in trade between the two countries, a number that staggers any other trading relatioship volumes. For shopping, vacations etc., about 40 million trips are taken by Canadians annually into the US and about 20 million the other way, that's a lot of reasons to make things more effective. BTW: Many more people are arrested trying to get into Canada illeagly than the other way around, but that's never published in Fortress America for some reason...........
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07:56 PM on 12/07/2011
Actually, this has all to do with CentrePort Canada more than anything. Little to do with shopping, vacations etc. or the war or anything else. Again, this is completely because of the economic hub we have near the Center of Canada the will be the World largest International trading post. Watch and see. It's about making money. Except I think we will be taking direction from those down south versus the other way around.
02:59 PM on 12/07/2011
it would be simple to fix if Canadians would boycot going to the States this month. I find it very disturbing that we can not see how it hurts us all when we cross border shop in the States.
05:08 PM on 12/07/2011
Hi, here in the UK we have so much holiday money spent in other countries when it could be spent in our,still, beautiful country, providing local jobs for our workers.
Keeping money close has to be best in whatever circumstance.
Spending in other countries must be foolish if you can help your own economy.
Never been to Canada, but all reports tell of a beautiful country, and a large one, better to explore your own back yard before looking over the fence.
I know it would take a lifetime to explore my own country and find the hidden gems.
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sgillhoolley
Occupy the discussion.
02:52 PM on 12/07/2011
It isn't the American governments job to look out for Canadian interests. That is the Canadian governments job. They need to get about the business of doing just that.
01:53 PM on 12/07/2011
US citizens were not asked or involved in this process. American data and information will be shared with Canada as well. The culture of American and trilateral/bilateral foreign policy is not transparent or sufficiently accountable to US public interests. There has been no Congressional debate or discussion and virtually NO NEWS on the privacy impacts to AMERICANS. TODAY 68% of Canadians polled here http://bit.ly/vhi2OR are concerned about the information sharing.
01:39 PM on 12/07/2011
US information is expected to go over the borders as well. There is great concern about that However, there is currently no port of public input for Americans. There has been very little news coverage of bilateral or foreign policy development with direct impacts to the US public. Here's a poll saying over 68% of Canadians are concerned about the information sharing at the US-Canadian borders. http://bit.ly/vhi2OR I believe Stoddart's quote may have been taken out of context when she was quoted as Canadians would choose trade over privacy.
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Jerry Bourbon
12:41 PM on 12/07/2011
Why are we wasting our time hassling Canadians in the first place. Wouldn't it be a better investment to spend this money on enhanced background checks for males between 18 and 45 applying for US (or Canadian) visas in places like Riyadh or Sana'a?
02:00 PM on 12/07/2011
I think the point is feeding into a continental information drive for the markets. I believe data is quickly becoming a new form of currency because our economic hedge is currently built on non-essential commodities or AIR. All the government driven data mining and data sharing programs will feed into the standardization of a market practice which is enforced by a securitized state - not by a Democracy. All the data is being acquired under the color of Terrorism Prevention and National Security. And they do hang onto the data whether or not your the bad guy.
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Fanned
12:21 PM on 12/07/2011
I would like more detail with regards to the food that will be travelling over the border, both ways. In what ways will Health Canada piggy back on US food standards? It may make for easier transportation of our meat and other food products, but will there be negative results, as well? I'm all for a broader market for our farmers, but setting back health standards for our citizens is a negative externality I would be unwilling to risk.
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01:32 PM on 12/07/2011
HHmmmm but our agency is much stricker. You have so much more crappy food and drugs approved in your country then do we.
02:20 PM on 12/07/2011
Please provide examples.
02:24 PM on 12/07/2011
Sorry, I should be sure that there are no ambiguities: I am speaking as a Canadian.
01:55 PM on 12/07/2011
There's concerns that Canada who has banned GMO foods for their country would be forced to accept wheat and food trade containing genetically engineered food.
12:07 PM on 12/07/2011
Winning.........I think not.
11:51 AM on 12/07/2011
America needs Canadian Goods like A Fish needs A Bicycle.
12:16 PM on 12/07/2011
And you need a brain transplant.
02:13 PM on 12/07/2011
Daaar Har Har Har !!!

Great Comeback Pots !
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12:27 PM on 12/07/2011
Turn off the Gas/Oil Chamber. Oh and the lights too. We need to teach another lesson here.
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Warren Yuill
Jesus Built My Hot-Rod
11:24 AM on 12/07/2011
What many people fail to understand is the big story today is snow.
11:23 AM on 12/07/2011
Another step taken by Harper to decimate Canadian’s privacy right simply to appease the National Security State south of the border. Why FBI or DHS needs to know the details of every Canadian Citizen's personal , financial and internet activities ? This is all done under the guise of "Expedited border crossing" and "Good for jobs and economy" rhetoric..
Harper has been selling out our sovereignty like a drunken sailor purly based on the ideological reason. He makes me sick to my stomach.
12:50 PM on 12/07/2011
He's the Marshal Petain of Canada.
02:03 PM on 12/07/2011
Welcome to the Police state of America, Canada! Where you have the freedom of not being free at all! Thanks to Stephen "Bilderberg Group" Harper...

Remember the "security" at the G-20 in Toronto? this is the new standard, you are just minions.
10:57 AM on 12/07/2011
I am a US citizen with landed immigrant status in Canada and I live in Canada full time. However, I have professional business to conduct in the USA and I or my spouse travels across the border about once a week. I have, therefore, a lot of experience with US and Canadian customs.

Why anyone thinks that joint border operations will streamline and speed up the process of crossing the border is utterly beyond me. As long as you have a passport or an enhanced driver's license, there is no issue about paperwork or identification. Almost all of the delays result from vehicle inspections. from our experience, 95% of the inspections occur going south into the USA, not north into Canada. The rest of the delays usually result from nosy bureaucratic questions from the US Customs officials that really have nothing to do with security.

If joint border operations start we can expect that the USA will insist on putting the same practices in place going north, so we will effectively have twice the delays.

Stupid idea.
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Cael
02:26 PM on 12/07/2011
I went a across one year for a driving vacation. they guy asked my purpose for coming into the states, I said I am going to florida for vacation.

He then asked, why are you going on vacation? I didn't know how to respond, it was such a stupid question. Then he asked, if you are going on vacation, why you bringing your laptop. Um, maybe to plan parts of my vacation on the internet duh.
09:41 AM on 12/09/2011
Hear! Hear! It's refreshing to read an opinion by someone with a practical and unprogrammed mind.
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montezaro
10:54 AM on 12/07/2011
Canada is not paying for the US debt, because we are not some rich communist country like China.
By the way: try to explain to your kids that capitalism is much better than communism, when US is borrowing huge money from that bad Chinese communist country?
Just never forget that every country is protecting their own interests. When money is involved, there are no friends.
11:48 AM on 12/07/2011
Is that why Canada chooses to give away it's precious Government-Owned Softwood Lumber instead of charging Market Prices ?
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montezaro
03:46 PM on 12/07/2011
won't
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montezaro
03:47 PM on 12/07/2011
Sorry... Someone is getting the money.
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10:47 AM on 12/07/2011
Turn the Nautral gas off on them, and the Electric Power we service. Forget the oil, too. It's high time Canada stops being so damn nice and starts telling the States how things are going to go.