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First Posted: 12/ 9/2011 11:36 am Updated: 12/ 9/2011 11:36 am

NEW YORK -- John Brennan turned 91 in May. Today he lives in relatively good health on Long Island, his mortgage paid off. When he was growing up in Manhattan during the Depression, though, times were tough.

"I was two weeks old when my father died, leaving my mother with five kids," he told HuffPost, his voice still marked by a craggy 1920s Hell's Kitchen accent. "Them days the women didn't have too much education, so my mother was out working most of the time, and we were free kids."

"She worked in all these different factories," he said. "Making candy, then a paint factory."

Under such desperate circumstances, Brennan himself had a hard time finding work during the Great Depression. So in 1937 he followed his older brother Peter into the Civilian Conservation Corps. He joined on his 17th birthday, the first day he was eligible.

The pay was only a dollar a day, but between 1933 and 1941, the program gave some 3 million young men employment. The CCC planted 3 billion trees, stemming the deforestation that caused the Dust Bowl, and built modest public works like park trails across the country.

As required by the program, Brennan sent $25 home a month, "which paid my mother's rent all the time." She was then able to use her extra money on other goods and services.

The experience of Brennan and those millions of other Americans who passed through the "alphabet soup" of New Deal agencies, from the WPA to the CWA to the PWA, may point to one possible solution for today's dragging economy: direct government employment on public works programs.

Joblessness increased from 3.3 percent in 1929 to 24.9 percent in 1933. For the millions out of work, President Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal jobs programs, like the CCC, offered hope in an otherwise bleak economic climate.

Today, as unemployment sits at 8.6 percent and the nation continues to muddle through its worst period of prolonged joblessness since the Great Depression, some economists and historians say we should look back to the New Deal's infrastructure programs to stem the crisis. President Obama pointed to that era on Tuesday in a fiery speech delivered in Osawatomie, Kans.

"This kind of inequality -- a level we haven't seen since the Great Depression -- hurts us all," Obama said.

Obama's speech comes at a time when the U.S.'s gross domestic product (GDP) rose at an annual rate of 2 percent in the third quarter of 2011 over the previous quarter. That modest economic boon, however, is not being shared widely.

Last year, economist Robert Shiller argued that Obama's Recovery Act erred in focusing on "GDP, not unemployment, which is perceived as a 'lagging indicator.'" Instead, he asked, "Why not use government policy to directly create jobs"?

"The basic idea makes good sense," said Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research. "We have a lot of people that are unemployed. They aren't going to get picked up by the private sector. Why not have them try to do something productive?"

Economists are unanimous in agreeing that the New Deal itself did not end the depression -- it took World War II to do that. The programs Roosevelt instituted, said Baker, "did drastically reduce the unemployment rate ... but basically they weren't big enough."

Like the Recovery Act, the New Deal programs were seen as far too large by critical Republicans. The amounts spent on the WPA, for instance, were massive for their time: $1.4 billion in 1935, or 6.7 percent of GDP. But then came World War II, which cost $288 billion in 1940s dollars.

The war spurred massive spending on armaments and created millions of jobs in the armed services, sending unemployment down to 1 percent. When conservatives note that the New Deal didn't end the depression as evidence that Keynesian stimulus is ineffective, Baker isn't impressed.

"It seems kind of a strange complaint," he said. "I don't even know what these people think they're saying. If we call it a war it creates jobs, but if we don't it doesn't?"

Programs like the CCC and the Works Progress Administration worked very differently from most in 2009's Recovery Act. Instead of filtering money through contractors, government employment during the Depression was often truly direct, with the Treasury Department actually cutting checks. Participation in the programs was also often limited to people whose families had been registered on local relief rolls.

For Nick Taylor, who wrote "American Made: The Enduring Legacy of the WPA," the current moment of widespread unemployment means government programs have the ability to not only create jobs but also provide lasting public works benefits.

"The country had a 19th century infrastructure going into the 1930s," Taylor said. "And so the New Deal, not just the WPA, it extended electricity, it extended sanitary water supplies, it extended roads and bridges, it made transportation easier, it basically launched the era of civil aviation by building airports around the country."

In many cities and towns across the US, similar long-term effects of 1930s infrastructure investment linger, from the Bonneville Dam (immortalized in a song by Woody Guthrie) to the Triborough Bridge.

President Obama tried to make an argument about the short-term employment and long-term economic benefits of infrastructure investment with his American Jobs Act, but it was defeated by Congress in October.

Baker said the long-term argument wasn't even necessary for direct employment to be a good idea. His preference, he said, would be for programs that create green jobs and infrastructure, where "we get a real long-term benefit, it's not just make-work."

But at the same time, he said, "It makes sense just to have something like Civilian Conservation Corps where people just clean up parks, board up abandoned buildings ... a lot of that's not going to be particularly productive, but just to give people a chance."

Even the CCC, however, which relied on extremely low-skilled labor -- pick-axes, shovels and axes were about as high-tech as it got -- had lasting effects. Brennan remembers working on a dam at a CCC camp near Hyrum, Utah.

In 1993, he said, "I rode out to Utah, and I found the place. And I went up to the dam we built. Was still up there ... we had a big lake, and people in the vicinity were using it."

Given the way congressional Republicans throw around the word "stimulus" as if it were an epithet, and question whether the stimulus package had any effect at all on unemployment, anything like what Shiller proposed would be an incredibly tough sell in this political climate.

Jason Scott Smith, a historian who wrote "Building New Deal Liberalism: The Political Economy of Public Works, 1933-1956," said conservatives should remember that the New Deal public works programs relied in large part on local input to decide which programs to fund. Smith would like to see some type of revival of New Deal-like programs.

"This wasn't somehow Newt Gingrich's federal government reaching its tentacles into the states and the cities and telling them what to do," said Smith. "Someone there, the mayor or whoever, wanted these projects, whether they were Democrats or Republicans."

Perhaps the journey of John Brennan's brother, Peter, can offer an example of bipartisan cooperation for today. Decades after Peter's service in the CCC, he became a Democratic secretary of labor -- under Republican President Richard M. Nixon.

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NEW YORK -- John Brennan turned 91 in May. Today he lives in relatively good health on Long Island, his mortgage paid off. When he was growing up in Manhattan during the Depression, though, times were...
NEW YORK -- John Brennan turned 91 in May. Today he lives in relatively good health on Long Island, his mortgage paid off. When he was growing up in Manhattan during the Depression, though, times were...
 
 
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01:12 PM on 12/30/2011
Government can be helpful during this period of jobs crisis by providing short term employment but they’d still need to figure out how it gets paid for and what is the next step thereafter? Government is helpful in this matter only if it can also provide potential employees with a long term growth outlook that also has some stability. Without it, people will continue to scrape by while we also tax wealthier and smaller brackets to help foot the bill (http://eng.am/vX9nUa). Our recovery is not a quick fix, nor is it a sprint. It’s a marathon that we are going to need to figure out the strategy for so that we come out on top or at least finish the race and still be in good standing when we’re done.
11:12 AM on 12/10/2011
Here's an excerpt from an article I found about skilled jobs going unfilled in the private sector:

"To many, America’s industrial heartland may look like a place mired in the economic past—a place that, outcompeted by manufacturing countries around the world, has too little work to offer its residents. But things look very different to Karen Wright, the CEO of Ariel Corporation in Mount Vernon, Ohio. Wright’s biggest problem isn’t a lack of work; it’s a lack of skilled workers. “We have a very skilled workforce, but they are getting older,” says Wright, who employs 1,200 people at three Ohio factories. “I don’t know where we are going to find replacements.”

http://www.city-journal.org/2011/21_4_skilled-labor.html

Read the whole article, it's really very interesting.
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Peter007
09:01 AM on 12/10/2011
There are about 30 million Americans that would be eligible to work in 1970 but today, because of new laws , are ineligible to work.
The new laws and regulations make it illegal for them to work in professions or careers that 40 years ago, they would be allowed to work in. They have been relegated to the unskilled labor force.
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03:46 PM on 12/10/2011
What are you talking about?

What "new laws" are making 30 million Americans ineligible to work?
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07:45 AM on 12/10/2011
Recovering from the Depression did unfortunately require WWII. An aspect of recovery rarely mentioned is war reparations paid by Germany and Japan. They paid our tab for ramping up the nation to fight. Then we worked hard to rebuild those nations. We were paid for that. No more depression.

For all our current wars and military/intelligence build-up, we will never be repaid. We will never rebuild the Middle-East. We will live in a continual state of Recession.
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Realist2011
beware false profits....
07:43 AM on 12/10/2011
While this is a concept that COULD possibly help, you still have the same problem. I suggest a somewhat different approach.

Explain to the individuals and corporations holding this nation hostage by refusing to pay a hefty percentage of their income to taxes.

"If you don't wish to pay taxes and hire people directly to hopefully produce benefits for your company in the long run, we, the government are going to hire them directly for a period of time, and your taxes will be used to pay them."

Money must be used to create jobs. Jobs (hopefully) create innovation, which creates products, which can be purchased by those who are being paid to innovate and produce. Henry Ford was correct. For the country to put people to work directly and still allow all of that money to lie fallow would only exacerbate the problem.

No, I think "Use it for your benefit, or we'll take it away from you and use it as we see fit" might be the best compromise. I never thought I'd consider this approach, but then my family was in small business for a long time and our money was always used to build for future success. We didn't screw ourselves over the long term by laying off well-paid, trained employees we would need to serve our customers when the economy improved, merely to bump up short-term profits. Old ideology I guess.
Linda from Deerfield
Paying attention
10:32 AM on 12/10/2011
I'm really impressed by your thoughts on the problem. I wish you could make your voice louder.
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Realist2011
beware false profits....
10:40 AM on 12/10/2011
These aren't my ideas, they've been around a long time. And most small businesses probably operate the way my family did. The problem is larger businesses don't remember why they exist. It's not to sell airline seats, make or sell any particular item. It is to serve the customer. I had a very simple "mission statement", although I never referred to is as such (I hate fancy names). It's just common-sense.

"If it's good for the customer, do it. If it isn't, don't"
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jflorish
06:28 PM on 12/09/2011
Big government, Obama's dream come true. Start running the money machines 24x7.
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03:49 PM on 12/10/2011
The alternative is the very long term unemployed who've been unable to get jobs since 2007-2009 to continue to sit at home. Most do not qualify for any cash assistance once their unemployment runs out.

These people have been suffering quietly up until now. As they get more desperate and their relatives run out of money and patience to help them, expect that to change.

Better for all that they get some kind of job.
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Aerin Gael
Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.
04:34 PM on 12/09/2011
Republicans are oblivious to the fact that infrastructure work does not have to be performed by government employees. Infrastructure work can be contracted out to the private sector, which directly benefits both corporations AND workers.

Eventually even the stupid republicans will realize that government needs to act. Then the big fight will be over which infrastructure projects to fund: healthcare, education, green energy vs oil pipelines etc.

I said that republicans are oblivious, but it's also possible that they are waiting/hoping to take control of the White House. Then they could force through their stinky oil pipelines and filthy pet projects.
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LunaPark
Don't believe it until it's officially denied
03:06 AM on 12/10/2011
Fredric Bastiat, broken window fallacy. Sure, tax the people and use the money to hire someone to sweep the street. You see a job created. But what you don't see is the job lost from the productive part of the economy. It looks good on the surface, but it's destructive. The Soviet Union had full employment.
Linda from Deerfield
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10:36 AM on 12/10/2011
It is not the broken window fallacy. Nobody is suggesting that we blow up bridges in order to create jobs. Somebody has to invest in the infrastructure to keep it viable, though, and that is a proper role of government.
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Aerin Gael
Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.
12:54 PM on 12/10/2011
Claiming that infrastructure jobs are 'not productive' is BS. Apparently, you believe that investment in your own country is wasted.

Claiming that raising taxes on the wealthiest will result in lost jobs is also BS. The top tax rates are at historic lows
"http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=213"
We just need to return to earlier rates. Where are all the jobs from the Bush tax cuts? Oh sorry, there weren't any. Republicans only like tax cuts for the wealthiest. They are arguing that the payroll tax cut did not create jobs. That's wrong; wage earners spend their money on products from business which creates DEMAND which creates JOBS.
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
04:21 PM on 12/09/2011
The USA cannot just print US Dollars to pay for this type of expense.

Every time that the USA prints and sells a bunch of fresh US Treasury Bonds and US dollars, the value and buying power of each existing printed US bond and US dollar reduces proportionately.

One US Dollar that would buy about 8 Mexican pesos in 1960 can now exchange for as much as 15,000 of the 1960 Mexican pesos today.

This is equivalent to about 187,500% inflation over that period. A $2.00 USA loaf of bread would then cost $3,750.00 today if the USA had implemented Mexican type economic monetary policies in the 1970's, and $4,000.00 next month, and maybe $5,000 the month after.

The freshly printed paper US Treasury Bonds (and US Dollars) that the US government prints and then sells at auction (at a discount) to people in wealth creating industrialized nations to get back some US dollars to pay for US federal government expenses HAVE ABSOLUTELTY NO VALUE, except that they are redeemable (loan collateral) for title to (corporations that own) privately owned businesses, factories, casinos, hotels, farms, land, ports, breweries, refineries, forests, ports, distilleries, refineries, commodities, stocks, and other privately owned assets located in the USA that were created by previous productive US generations, instead of Gold from Ft. Knox.
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cam1002
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04:21 PM on 12/09/2011
Gee, we liberals have been saying this for a few years now. This is news? It is the repubs that want to stymie the economy and have been laying off government employees and turning down infrastructure maintenance and repairs while scoffing at "government jobs" forgetting that they still have HAVE their government jobs and benefits.
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themuse
03:53 PM on 12/09/2011
"SOME SAY! This article is a farce. Most economists and nearly every thinking liberal has been screaming this for years! There are 4 ways in which assets can move back into the general economy from the hoarders on Wall Street: charity, high progressive taxes, purchase of consumables, and failure on an investment. The only one of these that has stability and predictability is high progressive taxes. Until this is implemented, wealth will continue to siphon to the ultra-rich. And because we are already producing more than is needed, the only jobs that will increase the standard of living of the 99.99% is in the public service arena: medicine, education, green energy: in other words, infrastructure.
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Y3rMawm
veni, vidi, bibi.
05:25 AM on 12/10/2011
Um, no. First of all, define hoarders.

Money moves into the economy through investment in better means of production. Please read "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt, and "How an Economy Grows and Why It Doesn't", by Irwin Schiff.

Putting more money in the hands of government only encourages more corruption, and further consolidates wealth.
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Anjon Roy
Management Consultant and a Tier 4 wonk
03:50 PM on 12/09/2011
so the WPA was 6.7% of GDP in 1935, all of it direct employment!!! That's way more than the pathetic 2009 stim package of tax cuts, transfer payments, and a pittance for infrastructure that was fed through contractors.
satyrday
If my micro-bio is way too long, will it be trunca
03:31 PM on 12/09/2011
Duh.

But the corporate masters of the GOP prefer a much more desperate work force. It's better for profits.
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
03:24 PM on 12/09/2011
I believe that the US depression finally ended when the USA reindustrialized in around 1938 and became the "Arsenal of Democracy" to manufacture, export, and sell Great Britain and France expensive weapons of war made in the USA by US citizens in exchange for Great Britain and France's payment to the US factories with their gold reserves that was needed for US factories to pay US citizens factory wages.

This need for Great Britain and France to import US made military weapons and products caused England and France (before France surrendered to and joined Germany against the Allies) to export their Gold and other financial instruments to the USA in return for Military Weapons and other supplies.

Many of our US located and privately owned Airplane, Tank, artillery, and Army Ammunition Manufacturing Plants were operating and producing large quantities of military goods for export to England using US laborers in exchange for gold from England to pay the worker’s salaries in the privately owned US located plants by the time that the Japanese Attacked Pearl Harbor.

Until the USA can re-industrialize and correct our foreign trade deficit, and eliminate our federal government borrowing foreign wealth to pay for government expenses, maybe we cannot afford to have free trade because it will continue to totally destroy the remainder of the US economy.
satyrday
If my micro-bio is way too long, will it be trunca
03:32 PM on 12/09/2011
It was simply MASSIVE STIMULUS. We could do it again without having a war.
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
03:48 PM on 12/09/2011
If the US government had the financial resources to do that.

Maybe China would loan the USA enough wealth to do that.

They would not want the USA to re-industrialize and make the things that they make and sell to the USA.
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LunaPark
Don't believe it until it's officially denied
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whyus
San Francisco native
03:18 PM on 12/09/2011
Yes, a program like the CCC is the way to go. My father was in it and it helped him survive, while creating much needed services for the public.
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
03:18 PM on 12/09/2011
Americans should blame ourselves for electing both Republican and Democrat US Congressmen, Senators and Presidents that created all of the "FREE TRADE" legislation during the past 20 years that LEGALLY ALLOWED and ECONOMICALLY REQUIRED that as many as possible of the non-government jobs in the USA be moved to foreign nations by removing the import tariffs that protected the USA jobs and wage scales of the US worker!

You should blame President Clinton when he signed NAFTA into law.

NAFTA was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on December 8, 1993 long after his 1992 election and he began to enforce that treaty on January 1, 1994, and that was the first of many treaties created by many subsequent the "FREE TRADE" legislation actions!

Why did he sign it into law?

He did not have to! Without Bill Clinton signing NAFTA into law, many US jobs for US citizens would have stayed in the USA.

George Bush and most all of the elected Republican and Democratic US Congressmen and Senators were also in favor of NAFTA, so I guess the US workers were just sold out for lower cost consumer products.

I can only remember Ross Perot objecting to NAFTA! He said that NAFTA would "Suck the remaining jobs from the USA to Mexico" He was right, but the Republicans and the Democrats were both promoting NAFTA.