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Higgs Boson: New Large Hadron Collider Data Narrows Search For 'God Particle'

Higgs Boson

By JOHN HEILPRIN   12/ 8/11 04:16 PM ET   AP

GENEVA -- Scientists at the world's largest atom smasher have new data that shows with greater certainty where to find a long-sought theoretical particle that would help explain the origins of the universe.

Physicists at CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research near Geneva, told The Associated Press on Thursday that reams of new data will help in the search for the Higgs boson, whose existence is theorized under the main particle physics theory that explains the Big Bang.

Finding it would be an enormous scientific breakthrough for the physics world and would help explain why different particles have different masses. That is because the particle itself is thought to give mass to other particles, and thus to objects and creatures in the Universe.

CERN scientists say their data from two main experiments using CERN's $10-billion Large Hadron Collider under the Swiss-French border will be made public next Tuesday, but any firm discovery will have to wait until next year.

They say the data helps narrow the region of the search because it excludes some of the higher energy ranges where the Higgs boson might be found, and shows some intriguing possibilities involving a small number of "events" at the lower energy ranges.

"What's exciting is we know we're close to getting something in focus. We know we're close to the stage where we're going to see something," said Joe Incandela, a physicist who will lead one of CERN's two main experiments next year.

"We're really right at the boundary of where you might get a vague hint of something," he said. "But whenever you're talking about that small number of events, there's no real statement you can make."

Thousands of researchers around the world have been poring over the data generated at the collider, and many expect it to produce significant discoveries about the makeup of matter and other mysteries of the universe.

High energy beams of protons are sent crashing into each other though a 17-mile (27-kilometer tunnel) to see what happens when they collide. The protons travel at incredible speeds in conditions simulating those 1 trillionth to 2 trillionths of a second after the Big Bang.

Physicists once thought protons and neutrons were the smallest components of the atom's nucleus, but colliders showed they are made of quarks and gluons and that there are other forces and particles.

Speculation about progress in the hunt for the precise level of energy where the Higgs boson might be found had the physics world and blogosphere buzzing Thursday.

An American scientist who's collaborating in the hunt for the Higgs boson said people are really excited about the new CERN data but it will be another year before anything that is definite.

"There's a lot of drama," said Drew Baden, chair of the physics department at the University of Maryland. "It's not anything anybody can look at and say, 'There it is.' "

The hunt for the Higgs boson is different than the much-publicized research by French and Italian researchers that appeared to show subatomic neutrino particles traveling faster than light.

But scientists at CERN are involved in testing that research, which would show neutrinos breaking what Nobel Prize-winning physicist Albert Einstein considered the ultimate speed barrier.

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Malcolm Ritter in New York contributed to this report.

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freecitizen1946
01:29 AM on 12/11/2011
Kurt Vonnegut said that he was so convinced of man's technical abilities that he expected to see the face of god on the cover of Scientific American by 1955. He was of course disappointed.

The wiz kids in my lab down at school created a Minecraft economy that included salaries, and other features that required somebody make a decision on who got what. There was endless contention and arguments about favoritism and unfairness.

Then came their brilliant invention.

"Look Mister B, you have to see this." Timmy proclaimed in his beautiful light Russian accent. " We have created God and he is an oscillator. If you pray to him when he is in an on state you prayer is answered. If not, you have to pray some more."

"But Timmy", I answered, "that would make prayer a fifty/fifty deal. You need more oscillators and some "and or" gates to sum their various states into one random yes or no answer."

"You are exactly right!" as he smiled like a Jack o Lantern, "that's why our god looks like this."

Up on the screen popped a circuit drawing showing some oscillators hooked to some interlocking of "and or" gates.

"It's not exactly a random number generator, but now we no longer have to trouble ourselves with the requests of our Minecraft citizens for wealth and or justice, we can just tell them to pray and leave it all to God."

Kurt Vonnegut would be proud.
11:00 PM on 12/10/2011
I posted this is a response to someone else's comment, but I thought it might be a good idea to also include the following as a stand alone comment. There are many people writing indignant responses regarding the use of the term "God Particle" - a somewhat understandable reaction, given how far removed this level of science is from religious thought (although there is an artistic, allusionary quality to the term that is also quite endearing). So I did some digging, and thanks to Wikipedia, here's how the term came to be:

"The Higgs boson is often referred to as "the God particle" by the media,[47] after the title of Leon Lederman's book, The God Particle: If the Universe Is the Answer, What Is the Question?[48] Lederman initially wanted to call it the "goddamn particle," but his editor would not let him.[49]"
11:03 PM on 12/10/2011
Sorry, I should have included this, too. It is a blog post by physicist Sean Carroll (author, blogger on Discovermagazine.com, and active scientist) regarding the use and dislike of the term God Particle:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/08/06/the-god-particle/
Happy Reading!
09:01 PM on 12/10/2011
10 billion dollars worth of hardware and a myriad of scientists to discover something that will have absolutely no effect on anything. Please, everyone ponder that as millions go hungry and die needlessly everyday. I think this "God Particle" would object.
11:48 PM on 12/11/2011
How do you know it will have no effect on anything?
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07:32 AM on 12/10/2011
if there is this higgs boson force field throughout the entire universe giving mass to everything than why aren't all photons immediatley converted into electrons ? would definately save on the electric bill.....
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qwert1234
haha, charade you are
10:12 AM on 12/11/2011
have you considered that photons don't interact with the higgs boson?
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08:22 PM on 12/11/2011
why wouldn't they ?
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07:30 AM on 12/10/2011
lisa randall is hot.....
Layman23
Do we want to live in the past?
01:09 AM on 12/10/2011
That GOD particle is in turn made of billion other smaller particles. And the quest will continue without any end. Remember, reality is generated the more you iterate.
12:39 PM on 12/12/2011
Its an endless cycle....or until the grant money disappears.
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Forester
Overeducated woods worker.
07:52 PM on 12/09/2011
Woody Allen had the best line in Annie Hall.

The psychiatrist asks the 8 year old Alvy: "Why are you depressed, Alvy?"

Alvie says: "Well, the universe is everything, and if it's expanding, someday it will break apart and that would be the end of everything!"

Then Alvy's mother yells: "What is that your business?!"
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Mr Sick Of Greed
07:42 PM on 12/09/2011
and then just wait until 30 years later and this whole theory is disproved....trying to prove or disprove God is impossible, if such a deity exists, then science can no do squat......
and drumroll please for the atheists who will reply to this comment......
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Lori Ladybug
No one has all the answers
07:56 PM on 12/09/2011
This has nothing to do with religion. The theoretical particle is called the Higgs boson. It would explain why particles have mass. A few of us have posted links or explanations as to why it is referred to as the god particle. Please check them out.
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No Yards
I never said most of the things I said.
09:33 PM on 12/09/2011
Huh? You're not serious are you? If you are then you're a few "God particles" short of a big bang.
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Hunter Graffin
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
08:09 AM on 12/10/2011
Dont feed the troll
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Forester
Overeducated woods worker.
07:14 PM on 12/09/2011
I'm still upset about the neutrino passing the photon. And now this???
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Lori Ladybug
No one has all the answers
08:02 PM on 12/09/2011
Lol
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JShankel
I want my country forward
09:19 PM on 12/09/2011
Seriously. I need a moment.
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Lori Ladybug
No one has all the answers
10:05 AM on 12/10/2011
We're in a great age of discovery. It is exciting >:0)
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jrk747
I am therefore I think!
05:26 PM on 12/09/2011
Wil this particle called God-Particle be angry and vengeful? I always thought that we are the ones projecting on this type of deity/god our own traits and personalities. We project onto love ones, friends, strangers, why not on a god that perhaps was fabricated in our own internal and external image and not the other way around? I believe that this Force we call God, is unnamable, indescribable, etc. It would be like the insignificant grain of sand trying to describe the entire desert thru its own limited perception. I also always thought that this crazy idea of an angry God was meant only as a tool of control thru fear. Yes, He is angry and is watching you from a place you cannot see it, so you better behave otherwise hell awaits you. God and the Devil are very close friends you know. The first lives in the Penthouse universe and the other in the basement hell. Very hot in there!
06:57 PM on 12/10/2011
You can't possibly serious, can you? Do you understand ANYTHING about the Higgs Boson at all? It's nicknamed the "God" Particle, but this has nothing to do with the idea of God--it just would explain why things have mass, which would tie modern physics together and allow us to understand things we couldn't before. It could just as easily have been called the "Master" Particle. Same idea. Please try to understand a little bit more about that which you're posting comments on before you do so. Thanks.
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jrk747
I am therefore I think!
09:09 PM on 12/10/2011
I guess you don't know what sarcasm is. Have a good one!
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jrk747
I am therefore I think!
09:59 PM on 12/10/2011
Ok Master scientist! lol
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crydespite
no-one is ever 'just saying'
08:50 PM on 12/10/2011
if it's indescribable, how come you label it as a Force? and don't you have a huge big book full of its Words that should help to get the gist of what it's like?
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jrk747
I am therefore I think!
09:13 PM on 12/10/2011
The fact that it is indescribable doesn't mean that I cannot attempt to possible description that fits my own understanding. The other option is to stay mute instead of naming the unnameble. I don't know what you mean by "huge big book", can you please explain? I hope you are not referring to the Bible.
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Lori Ladybug
No one has all the answers
04:22 PM on 12/09/2011
Reading through these posts makes me sad that many have no clue what this is all about and that HP doesn't have a science section.
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perturbedintexas
Support our wounded warriors
04:53 PM on 12/09/2011
Well, some of them clicked it on, either out of curiosity or to make a snarky remark. Calculus was not my forte and I had to take statistics twice before passing. The Physics of Immortality by Tipler was a favorite book but the math was beyond comprehension. Maybe next lifetime :-)
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Bluebloodsbastardson
04:10 PM on 12/09/2011
answers are due 12-21-12
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Grokenspiel
I grok, therefore I spiel
04:07 PM on 12/09/2011
I call upon all people of faith to protest the secular label "God Particle" in this article. It should be referred to as the "Yahweh Particle." As is said in Exodus 20:3 (CERN translation): "Thou shalt have no other particles before me."
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Grokenspiel
I grok, therefore I spiel
04:24 PM on 12/09/2011
Phew! This is a tough room.
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Spacecowboy64
I'm sure you know where it's at.
04:34 PM on 12/09/2011
Thank you very much. I am here all week. Please tip your server.
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hsspringman
We can cure fundamentalist.
03:54 PM on 12/09/2011
I bet the particle looks like a slice of toast. (the following sentence was intended as sarcasm)
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Spacecowboy64
I'm sure you know where it's at.
04:35 PM on 12/09/2011
The following or prior?
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bump00000
The Seventh Chakra, amazon
09:27 PM on 12/09/2011
3 men check into a hotel. The clerk charges them each $10. They go to their room. The clerk realizes he over charges them by $5.00. He takes 5 ones to refund to the men.

He decides to keep $2. And gives each man $1 in change. Which makes each man having paid $9 each.

3 X 9 = 27 plus $2 he kept makes $29 dollars. Where did the other dollar go?
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No Yards
I never said most of the things I said.
09:35 PM on 12/09/2011
He said that while traveling at the speed of light, so It's all relative.
03:49 PM on 12/09/2011
Many people rightfully took shots at this one already: Stop this bulls___ overuse of the "God particle" moniker! It's called a Higgs boson. Get your dirty fairy tale paws off the science!